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The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« on: March 10, 2017, 02:17:55 pm »
March 10, 2017
The 60 vote problem has to be solved
By Karin McQuillan

We are told that without 60 votes in the Senate, we cannot pass new health care legislation, so the only practical course is to accept the limited changes to Obamacare possible through “reconciliation.”   

Then there is the father of all lies.  We are told not to worry about how bad this bill is, there will be phase 2, and after that, phase 3 – and then President Trump will keep his promises on health care.

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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2017, 03:06:25 pm »
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2017, 03:55:05 pm »
The democrats didn't have a 60 vote problem when they didn't want one.

I think we need to change up the classic Bill Engvall routine when it comes to the GOP...

"Heeeeeere's your SPINE..."
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2017, 04:03:10 pm »
 I, for one, am sick of hearing this "We don't have 60 votes" cop out!
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2017, 05:54:05 pm »
They can be part of the solution or part of the problem. Their choice.
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2017, 02:35:12 am »
It's time to get rid of the Senate filibuster, once and for all.

The Constitution specifies where supermajorities will be required in the governance of The United States.

Passing ordinary legislation in the Senate DOES NOT come under those instances.

Get rid of the filibuster.
If necessary, by way of Constitutional amendment.

I'm willing to accept a "majority rules" in the Senate, just as it's already accepted in the House. Come what may...
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2017, 11:06:19 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on March 11, 2017, 02:35:12 am
I'm willing to accept a "majority rules" in the Senate, just as it's already accepted in the House. Come what may...

So you are fine with Obamacare then. That was majority rules, after all.

The 60 vote problem is not a problem. It's a feature to be treasured and preserved. If a law is crappy enough that it can't raise 60 votes, it doesn't pass. What is wrong with fewer laws? Thought the idea was to limit government - not make it easier for the idiots in power to expand their grasp.
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2017, 11:26:13 am »
Quote from: EC on March 11, 2017, 11:06:19 am
So you are fine with Obamacare then. That was majority rules, after all.

The 60 vote problem is not a problem. It's a feature to be treasured and preserved. If a law is crappy enough that it can't raise 60 votes, it doesn't pass. What is wrong with fewer laws? Thought the idea was to limit government - not make it easier for the idiots in power to expand their grasp.

If it means its hard to pass a law we do like, so be it. It will also be hard to pass a law we don't like.

Progressivism is this state of constant flux where if we don't like the current rules so we need to change them till we don't like them and need to change them again. Like Teddy Roosevelt whining about the senate not representing the people so we need to elect them by direct popular vote.
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2017, 11:31:32 am »
Exactly!
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2017, 11:45:36 am »
We drop the 60 vote rule, and as soon as the Democrats gain the power the GOP has, they will pass single payer.


Period.


And they gain back power. Don't be so stupid to think that they won't.
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2017, 02:23:58 pm »
A simple repeal of the ACA (without any replacement) can't get 50 votes, let alone 60 votes.    The filibuster isn't the problem.  It's the chaos.   America has to be weaned from the ACA.   The AHCA is a good first step -  principally for conservatives because it quickly gets rid of the mandates.   For the rest of us,  it promises health care policies we might really want to buy.   
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2017, 01:10:03 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on March 11, 2017, 02:23:58 pm
A simple repeal of the ACA (without any replacement) can't get 50 votes, let alone 60 votes.    The filibuster isn't the problem.  It's the chaos.   America has to be weaned from the ACA.   The AHCA is a good first step -  principally for conservatives because it quickly gets rid of the mandates.   For the rest of us,  it promises health care policies we might really want to buy.   
First, a simple repeal probably could get 51 votes in the Senate under reconciliation. A replacement probably would require 60, but that's a good thing. Secondly, the Federal government has no business being involved in health insurance. The ONLY way I could see them involved is allowing interstate commerce for the sale of policies.
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2017, 02:19:50 pm »
Quote from: EC on March 11, 2017, 11:06:19 am
So you are fine with Obamacare then. That was majority rules, after all.

The 60 vote problem is not a problem. It's a feature to be treasured and preserved. If a law is crappy enough that it can't raise 60 votes, it doesn't pass. What is wrong with fewer laws? Thought the idea was to limit government - not make it easier for the idiots in power to expand their grasp.
Only problem is that it is hard to get 60 votes for a  Bill that repeals laws. I'm all for fewer laws. Ten should be about right. :laugh:
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2017, 02:34:11 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 11, 2017, 11:45:36 am
We drop the 60 vote rule, and as soon as the Democrats gain the power the GOP has, they will pass single payer.


Period.


And they gain back power. Don't be so stupid to think that they won't.
Eh, they did that already without dropping the 60 vote rule, and look what we got: Single Payer.
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Re: The 60 vote problem has to be solved
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2017, 02:35:50 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on March 14, 2017, 02:34:11 pm
Eh, they did that already without dropping the 60 vote rule, and look what we got: Single Payer.


We don't have single payer right now. Obamacare is not single payer.
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