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Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« on: March 09, 2017, 01:35:22 am »
Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
David Catron
March 8, 2017, 12:37 am


If conservatives hold out for free market health care, repeal may never happen.



From the moment the GOP released the American Health Care Act, the first iteration of what will evolve into Obamacare repeal and replace legislation, conservatives have been griping. The editors of Investor’s Business Daily sum up the general reaction of the right thus: “Republicans have labored to produce plan that replaces ObamaCare with…. ObamaCare.” Interestingly, the editorial goes on to refute this argument by listing the bill’s positive attributes, including repeal of the law’s individual mandate, employer mandate, countless hidden taxes, and its expansion of HSAs. Yet IBD’s editors conclude that it “supports all the key elements of Obamacare.”

This is nonsense. Indeed, to employ an old aphorism, it makes the perfect the enemy of the good. This viewpoint is not merely unrealistic about what the Republicans can accomplish, considering their narrow margin in the Senate, but it actually reduces the chances that a repeal bill will ever reach the President’s desk. Here’s a little reality check for conservatives and libertarians who fantasize about “going back” to free market medicine — we haven’t had anything resembling a free health care market since World War II and we will never have one. Why? The public doesn’t really want one. What the voters really want is cheap, accessible care — any way they can get it.

Free market purists, including yours truly, believe the best way to achieve that goal is through unfettered competition and open markets. But if one follows that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, it means that that the government — both state and federal — must stay completely out of health care. Medicare, Medicaid, and every other government health care program would have to be repealed. The public wouldn’t stand for it. The voters don’t object to Obamacare because it’s a gateway drug to single-payer. If that were true they would abjure Medicare. They hate it because it fines them for failing to buy health insurance coverage that costs them too much.

And, not coincidentally, those very issues are what the American Health Care Act addresses. First, and most important, the plan repeals the unconstitutional individual mandate — effective after December 31, 2015. This means that no American who failed to buy coverage last year will owe the IRS a dime in penalties, fines, taxes, or whatever Chief Justice John Roberts is calling them these days. Likewise, the job-killing employer mandate will be retroactively repealed. Employers will no longer have to hold off hiring new workers in order to avoid outrageous fines for not providing health insurance coverage that neither they nor their employees can afford.

The bill also kills the vast majority of stealth taxes Obamacare imposes on you. For example, it eliminates the tax on over-the-counter medications. Oh, you didn’t realize you were paying that? Prior to Obamacare, you were permitted to pay for over-the counter-medication on a pre-tax basis by using a Flexible Spending Account (FSA). The “Affordable Care Act” killed that. The bill repeals Obamacare’s cap on contributions to FSAs, which were unlimited before the advent of President Obama’s “signature domestic achievement.” This cap was particularly hard on parents of special needs children, many of whom used FSAs to pay for special needs education.

The much-maligned GOP plan also eliminates the high medical bill tax. Didn’t know about that one either? Before “reform,” people who incurred high medical bills got a deduction for medical expenses exceeding 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income. The “Affordable Care Act” jacked that percentage up to 10 percent. The much-maligned Republican plan also reduces Obamacare’s HSA tax. Haven’t heard about that one? Obamacare increased the tax on early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent. The American Health Care Act takes that back down to 10 percent. The plan also eliminates the moronic medical device tax, a natural born job killer.

The list goes on and on, yet conservatives and libertarians are kvetching because of provisions like the 30% premium surcharge that the bill would allow insurers to charge patients who wait until they are ill to buy coverage. Countless commentators have conflated this with the individual mandate, but such comparisons are ridiculous. The individual mandate requires you to buy health insurance simply because you are alive, an outrageous assault on personal liberty. The GOP plan’s much-discussed premium surcharge is an incentive based on an individual’s choices. The former eliminates personal choice altogether. The latter incentivizes intelligent choices.


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https://spectator.org/obamacare-repeal-the-dangers-of-unrealistic-expectations/

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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2017, 01:42:08 am »
Funny, when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government they did exactly what they wanted to do even when they didn't get a single vote from Republicans.

Yet we're told that Republicans can't do much when they hold all three branches.

Pardon me if I don't buy what's being sold.

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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2017, 01:53:57 am »
Funny, when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government they did exactly what they wanted to do even when they didn't get a single vote from Republicans.

Yet we're told that Republicans can't do much when they hold all three branches.

Pardon me if I don't buy what's being sold.

And adapted whatever rule(s) they needed to in order to get it done!
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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2017, 02:32:22 am »
Funny, when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government they did exactly what they wanted to do even when they didn't get a single vote from Republicans.

Yet we're told that Republicans can't do much when they hold all three branches.

Pardon me if I don't buy what's being sold.

The Dims had to have 60 votes in the Senate for Obamacare to pass the GOP is going to need 60 votes in the Senate to totally repeal it...with only 52 GOP Senators it is unlikely a total repeal is going to get done..... :shrug:

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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2017, 02:39:19 am »
Funny, when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government they did exactly what they wanted to do even when they didn't get a single vote from Republicans.

Yet we're told that Republicans can't do much when they hold all three branches.

Pardon me if I don't buy what's being sold.


Not true they would have preferred single payer far and above Obamacare.

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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2017, 03:40:52 am »

Not true they would have preferred single payer far and above Obamacare.

I've heard that over and over. So tell me how they were blocked from single payer after they got zero Republican votes for what they did do? Zero votes is zero votes, that's all the blocking Republicans could do at the time whether it was single payer or the current Obamacare.

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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2017, 03:42:52 am »
The Dims had to have 60 votes in the Senate for Obamacare to pass the GOP is going to need 60 votes in the Senate to totally repeal it...with only 52 GOP Senators it is unlikely a total repeal is going to get done..... :shrug:

They could test that and put Democrats on record again.

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Re: Obamacare Repeal: The Dangers of Unrealistic Expectations
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2017, 03:53:07 am »

Not true they would have preferred single payer far and above Obamacare.

Really? What was stopping them from that?