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Re: Is GOP Health Care Bill a Disaster? No (This explains it)
« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2017, 09:40:44 pm »

Somehow Compromise is dirty word.. It isn't..

Tell me how successful GOP "compromise" on anything has worked out for us over say the last 20-25 years?
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« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2017, 09:42:31 pm »
Tell me how successful GOP "compromise" on anything has worked out for us over say the last 20-25 years?

Yes, compromise means both sides get some of what they want. 

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« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2017, 09:43:32 pm »
Yes, compromise means both sides get some of what they want.

I've seen the Democrats get everything they want over that time and all the GOP got for it was a sore and abused posterior.
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« Reply #103 on: March 09, 2017, 09:46:18 pm »
Yes, compromise means both sides get some of what they want.

Well I'm not so sure "both sides" didn't get what they wanted in that "compromise". The problem has become what "both sides" want is just more big government doing their particular flavor of big government.

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« Reply #104 on: March 09, 2017, 09:46:32 pm »



Step 2 is done by Secretary Price with EOs---reversing all the EOs by his predecessors.



Nothing wrong with the three step approach..
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« Reply #105 on: March 09, 2017, 09:50:49 pm »

Nothing wrong with the three step approach..

I guess you don't remember the two step approach back when Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals...

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

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« Reply #106 on: March 09, 2017, 09:51:47 pm »
I've seen the Democrats get everything they want over that time and all the GOP got for it was a sore and abused posterior.

Let's get this right - the Uniparty Leftists and Big Statists got what they want, it's the Conservatives who got shut out and shown the door.

By the Oligarchs in their own party no less.

Well I'm not so sure "both sides" didn't get what they wanted in that "compromise". The problem has become what "both sides" want is just more big government doing their particular flavor of big government.

^ THIS is the current political reality.

Principled Conservatives have repeatedly said that the GOP has absolutely no intention of getting rid of ObamaCare and they are chomping at the bit to have a hand in Single Payer when it has to be imposed when the consequences of ObamaCare collapse what is left of the insurance industry.

If they truly wanted ObamaCare gone, the House can defund it and the Executive can tell the IRS not to enforce it or impose the penalty.
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« Reply #107 on: March 09, 2017, 09:54:26 pm »

Translation: if you do not agree with me then you aren't a true conservative.


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« Reply #108 on: March 09, 2017, 09:54:29 pm »
I guess you don't remember the two step approach back when Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals...

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.


Wow, all of the way or nothing right??  The multi step approach has been going on since this nation has been founded.. Did our founding fathers huff and puff cause they didn't get everything?


It worked for Reagan.
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Re: Is GOP Health Care Bill a Disaster? No (This explains it)
« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2017, 09:57:54 pm »

^^^^ Truth ^^^^

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That's not truth. What makes you think the GOP *needs* 60 votes? Because Chuck Schumer told you so?
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« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2017, 10:01:18 pm »

Nothing wrong with the three step approach..


If it's as it seems. Gateway Pundit has this clip of Tucker Carlson putting some heat on Paul Ryan: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/wth-paul-ryan-wants-lawmakers-go-home-get-pummeled-leftwing-activists-rather-pass-trump-agenda-video/

Ryan puts the onus of delay on the Senate while excusing the Senate for having too much on its plate.

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Re: Is GOP Health Care Bill a Disaster? No (This explains it)
« Reply #111 on: March 09, 2017, 10:09:39 pm »

Wow, all of the way or nothing right??  The multi step approach has been going on since this nation has been founded.. Did our founding fathers huff and puff cause they didn't get everything?


It worked for Reagan.
Well, they argued and argued and argued. The convention tooks months to produce a few pages of Constitution (We have to ratify to find out what's in it said no delegate ever). Then there were the Federalist and Anti federalist debates and letters. And the anti-federalist were willing to sink the whole thing if they didn't get a bill of rights.

We jam through far more voluminous laws that then founders did with far less debate even on contentious bills.

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« Reply #112 on: March 09, 2017, 10:18:34 pm »
We jam through far more voluminous laws that then founders did with far less debate even on contentious bills.

Recall the fact that over 3,000 pages of ObamaCare were drafted in virtual secret with NO Legislator who voted for it, having a chance to read it.  They had to 'pass it so you can find out what is in it'.

Tyranny on a scale not seen since the Crown owned the Colonies with impunity.

And here we sit arguing over compromise and incremental scaling back of tyranny - as if that is going to accomplish anything but enshrine tyranny as a permanent fixture everyone grows used to while they lie to themselves that they live in a 'free country'.
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« Reply #113 on: March 09, 2017, 10:20:04 pm »

If it's as it seems. Gateway Pundit has this clip of Tucker Carlson putting some heat on Paul Ryan: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/wth-paul-ryan-wants-lawmakers-go-home-get-pummeled-leftwing-activists-rather-pass-trump-agenda-video/

Ryan puts the onus of delay on the Senate while excusing the Senate for having too much on its plate.

I don't trust Paul Ryan any further than I could throw him!  THAT is my problem with the three phase approach!
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« Reply #114 on: March 09, 2017, 10:25:12 pm »
Anyone have an Option 4?

Yes.  Stop funding it.
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« Reply #115 on: March 09, 2017, 10:26:48 pm »
Tell me how successful GOP "compromise" on anything has worked out for us over say the last 20-25 years?

In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.

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« Reply #116 on: March 09, 2017, 10:28:53 pm »

If it's as it seems. Gateway Pundit has this clip of Tucker Carlson putting some heat on Paul Ryan: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/wth-paul-ryan-wants-lawmakers-go-home-get-pummeled-leftwing-activists-rather-pass-trump-agenda-video/

Ryan puts the onus of delay on the Senate while excusing the Senate for having too much on its plate.

Maybe some of that is because they are scheduled to work only 8 days in April?  Kinda slows progress.

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« Reply #117 on: March 09, 2017, 10:29:19 pm »
Yes.  Stop funding it.

No, that's #1.

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« Reply #118 on: March 09, 2017, 10:56:40 pm »
I don't trust Paul Ryan any further than I could throw him!  THAT is my problem with the three phase approach!


I stopped trusting any of them when Paul Ryan was but a gleam in his daddy's eye. It's not about trust but about options.

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« Reply #119 on: March 09, 2017, 11:23:10 pm »
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Anyone have an Option 4?

Yup sure do.


The "replacement" for the ACA needs to be one page and a handful of sentences that says From (insert date) forward, the ACA is repealed and healthcare laws and requirements prior to March 2010 are hereby reinstated.  Any changes to current healthcare laws from this point forward are left to the state legislatures to work out per the wishes of their citizens.
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