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There Is No American 'Deep State'
« on: February 22, 2017, 05:53:38 pm »
Title aside, it is well worth your time to read in full.

Experts on Turkish politics say the use of that term misunderstands what it means in Turkey—and the ways that such allegations can be used to enable political repression.

    David A. Graham Feb 20, 2017

Over the last week, the idea of a “deep state” in the United States has become a hot concept in American politics. The idea is not new, but a combination of leaks about President Trump and speculation that bureaucrats might try to slow-walk or undermine his agenda have given it fresh currency. A story in Friday’s New York Times, for example, reports, “As Leaks Multiply, Fears of a ‘Deep State’ in America.”

It’s an idea that I touched on in discussing the leaks. While there are various examples of activity that has been labeled as originating from a “deep state,” from Latin America to Egypt, the most prominent example is Turkey, where state institutions contain a core of diehard adherents to the secular nationalism of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, which is increasingly being eroded by the government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Turkey has seen a series of coups, stretching back to 1960, as well as other activity attributed to a deep state.

It’s tempting to view the leaks about General Michael Flynn and other matters as a push to undermine the Trump presidency, though well short of coup, and therefore to compare it to the Turkish deep state. Some progressives have expressed a hope that bureaucracy might serve as a check on Trump, though they have generally avoided calling this a deep state. But Trump’s defenders, both in Congress and on the fringe right, have employed the term, as have centrist observers and leftist critics of the national-security state. Trump has not yet used the phrase, but it seems like only a matter of time before it pops up in some late-night or early-morning tweet.

Much more: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/why-its-dangerous-to-talk-about-a-deep-state/517221/
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Re: There Is No American 'Deep State'
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 06:29:17 pm »
Looks interesting...BFL
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Re: There Is No American 'Deep State'
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 06:34:50 pm »
I have already categorized the phrase "Deep State" with "Statist" as a meaningless over the counter phrase to demonize as needed.

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Re: There Is No American 'Deep State'
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2017, 06:44:02 pm »
This is the liberal Atlantic rag, and if they're covering this topic it means it's high enough on the meter now to do political damage to the libs, so they have to provide smoke and cover to obfuscate and divert.
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Re: There Is No American 'Deep State'
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2017, 06:50:11 pm »
It's the Atlantic but they were established in 1857: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic

I don't like irreverent liberal publications or websites like Salon or most of Mother Jones for that matter; but there are respectable sources out there, I don't think they are leftist in the vein of the Daily Kos and like.

Some periodicals can still deliver a journalistic piece worth contemplating.
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Re: There Is No American 'Deep State'
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2017, 06:50:51 pm »
Insight for America, from turkey. Thanks.
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Re: There Is No American 'Deep State'
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2017, 06:55:30 pm »
You're welcome.

Now 180 it. You now know twice as much about why Turkey is how it is as before.
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