Why Trump Should NOT Repeal or Replace ObamaCare (Just Let It Die)

[geronl]

   or were forced into narrower provider networks so folks had to switch doctors.  ACA was a boon to many, but the promise that "if you like your plan you can keep it" was a cruel lie.   

being forced into extremely narrow "healthcare corridors" is an improvement?

[Smokin Joe]

The issue is access to health care insurance .   Millions of folks who did not have access to health care insurance before have been enrolled in the ACA-expanded Medicaid and ACA marketplace individual policies.   The problem with the ACA is that many policies in the former individual insurance marketplace became non-compliant, or were forced into narrower provider networks so folks had to switch doctors.  ACA was a boon to many, but the promise that "if you like your plan you can keep it" was a cruel lie.   

There are serious problems with the ACA - but it CAN be fixed without resorting to single payer.   

Maybe it depends on where you are, but I have yet to meet anyone who actually has better health care or better insurance coverage as a result of the ACA. I lost the continuing coverage I had had before I got cancer, as the ACA forced them out of the health insurance business. Now I have to rely on Indian Health, which is out-of-pocket for all practical purposes, and was the real poster child (along with the VA) for not having the Federal Government involved in health care in the first place.

You may run with a crowd who have different pre-existing problems, and there are a couple of groups which likely fit the bill and want someone else to cover the costs of things they have acquired who didn't have insurance or couldn't get it because of behavioural issues..

And as far as the doctor bit went, with the ACA coming, and after HIPAA, my doctor had had enough and retired.

[Norm Lenhart]

Maybe it depends on where you are, but I have yet to meet anyone who actually has better health care or better insurance coverage as a result of the ACA. You may run with a crowd who have different pre-existing problems, and there are a couple of groups which likely fit the bill and wants someone else to cover the costs of things they have acquired.

Every group in Britain benefits from their universal healthcare. They universally wait months for cancer treatments and such. Every man woman and child in Canada benefits from their socialist healthcare. thats why they USED to flood across the border to get treated in American facilities for cash.

Some people simply want liberalism. No matter who it kills.

[Smokin Joe]

Every group in Britain benefits from their universal healthcare. They universally wait months for cancer treatments and such. Every man woman and child in Canada benefits from their socialist healthcare. thats why they USED to flood across the border to get treated in American facilities for cash.

Some people simply want liberalism. No matter who it kills.

Yeah, we used to get a lot of Canadians coming down to get tests and even procedures they would have had to wait years for up north. In many cases the wait would have been enough time for the dirt to settle and grass to grow on their graves. Often a stent or a quick removal of a small and unmetastasized tumor would do the trick, when a wait would have been a death sentence--but that was the idea, after all, it's cheaper to box them up than fix 'em, right?

The reason liberals want it is they think, somehow they'll be exempt from the miseries they inflict, or that they are tho only ones, ever, who can 'get it right' if they just throw enough of other people's money at the problem and make enough rules.

That's how the tax code got the way it is.

[Norm Lenhart]

Yeah, we used to get a lot of Canadians coming down to get tests and even procedures they would have had to wait years for up north. In many cases the wait would have been enough time for the dirt to settle and grass to grow on their graves.

The reason liberals want it is they think, somehow they'll be exempt from the miseries they inflict, or that they are tho only ones, ever, who can 'get it right' if they just throw enough of other people's money at the problem and make enough rules.

That's how the tax code got the way it is.

Ever notice liberals here and elsewhere always talk about 'the groups that benefit from Obamacare" but rarely get specific? Thats because Obamacare benefits people like those that give them power. The gay lobby. The Muslim lobby.

Notice a pattern? It's pretty peculiar that those that support any of those groups invariably support ALL of those groups. And yet we are to believe that 'conservatives' support Obamacare.

[Smokin Joe]

Ever notice liberals here and elsewhere always talk about 'the groups that benefit from Obamacare" but rarely get specific? Thats because Obamacare benefits people like those that give them power. The gay lobby. The Muslim lobby.

Notice a pattern? It's pretty peculiar that those that support any of those groups invariably support ALL of those groups. And yet we are to believe that 'conservatives' support Obamacare.

Actually, I have noticed a pattern. These people aren't interested in 'equal' anything unless it is reduced to the worst for all. Classic Communist/Socialist stuff (in practice, that is, because the theory only works great in theory). There is heavy resentment/desire for paybacks in there, too. But as I have long said, "Angry people do stupid things".

[Norm Lenhart]

Actually, I have noticed a pattern. These people aren't interested in 'equal' anything unless it is reduced to the worst for all. Classic Communist/Socialist stuff (in practice, that is, because the theory only works great in theory). There is heavy resentment/desire for paybacks in there, too. But as I have long said, "Angry people do stupid things".

Yup. When you use the very language of liberals, support the causes of liberals and assure the suffering of the greatest number of people in the process, you probably arent a redneck. But you are assuredly a liberal.

There is not one problem on this planet of significance liberals have not caused, made worse, or both. With one exception. Allowing them to do so with impunity is the fault of every non liberal because you can't blame pond scum for being what it is and you can't blame a liberal for being what they are. Liberals gotta Lib.

[r9etb]

Yup. When you use the very language of liberals, support the causes of liberals and assure the suffering of the greatest number of people in the process, you probably arent a redneck. But you are assuredly a liberal.

And when you persist in painting everything in the blackest blacks and the whitest whites, you become an insufferable bore.

[Norm Lenhart]

And when you persist in painting everything in the blackest blacks and the whitest whites, you become an insufferable bore.

Behold my field of caring and see that it is barren.

TLDR: Hit dogs howl.

[r9etb]

TLDR: Hit dogs howl.

... he howled.

You're boring, Norm.  Trying for a bit of context and perspective -- not to mention basic humanity -- would do wonders for you.

[Bigun]

Every group in Britain benefits from their universal healthcare. They universally wait months for cancer treatments and such. Every man woman and child in Canada benefits from their socialist healthcare. thats why they USED to flood across the border to get treated in American facilities for cash.

Some people simply want liberalism. No matter who it kills.

And continually try to make the case that forcing people to live on the liberal (government) plantation is somehow "humane".  I'll never figure that out if I live to a hundred!

[Norm Lenhart]

... he howled.

You're boring, Norm.  Trying for a bit of context and perspective -- not to mention basic humanity -- would do wonders for you.

Boring is you trying this tact every couple weeks and failing over and over. No one cares. No one is impressed. Once again I invite you to put me on ignore. The fact you constantly refuse to do it is something you need to work out for yourself, because as I have told you a few times now, I place zero value in anything you have to offer.

You are simply wasting your time and everyone elses.

[Norm Lenhart]

And continually try to make the case that forcing people to live on the liberal plantation is somehow "humane".  I'll never figure that out if I live to a hundred!

Liberals are mentally ill. There's no point in trying to figure them out. All we can do is point out the liberalism and why it's dangerous so that others arent conned by the BS they drool out.

[Bigun]

Liberals are mentally ill. There's no point in trying to figure them out. All we can do is point out the liberalism and why it's dangerous so that others arent conned by the BS they drool out.

And they call US boring. 

[Norm Lenhart]

And they call US boring. 

They call us everything they can think of to deflect attention from the fact that they are failures. that their whole position/belief structure is based on a lie. It would be really entertaining if not for them being the most direct danger to constitutional governance there is.

When Lincoln said "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves," He wasn't talking about people standing for principle. He was talking about situational ethicists. AKA Liberals. I mean lets face it. People actively rah rahing the ideas and ideals of the left arent exactly patriotic. they are the problem. If they gave a damn about the Constitution, Constitutional governance or America, they wouldn't be out there actively pushing the very things America was built as a bastion against.

[goodwithagun]

Kill obamacare, remove employer required medical insurance coverage, and eliminate the backdoor deals made between pols and insurance companies to only allow certain insurance companies to operate in certain states. Hello competition, hello reasonable health insurance costs.

[Norm Lenhart]

Kill obamacare, remove employer required medical insurance coverage, and eliminate the backdoor deals made between pols and insurance companies to only allow certain insurance companies to operate in certain states. Hello competition, hello reasonable health insurance costs.

Yup and best of all, it really is that simple.

[Just_Victor]

Kill obamacare, ...

Kill it with fire.

[Norm Lenhart]

Kill it with fire.

It's too bad that the people (Doctors, businesses and patients alike) hurt by Obamacare can't prosecute/sue the people that forced it on them. RICO. Fraud. Theft of services. Pain and suffering. All sorts of charges could be applied. And the Liberals would not be so quick to try it again. Which of course they will once regaining the presidency.

[goodwithagun]

Yup and best of all, it really is that simple.

Sadly, the American people wouldn't elect me dog catcher with that campaign promise. Too many Republicans are TOS style fauxservatives.

[Bigun]

Sadly, the American people wouldn't elect me dog catcher with that campaign promise. Too many Republicans are TOS style fauxservatives.

I actually tried to get elected as a state rep here some years ago.  What I  found out was that most of those out there shoutin "truth truth  tell me the truth" really don't want that at all.  What they really want is for you to confirm what they already think and call that the truth.

[JustPassinThru]

That's my thought too.  If they don't pull it up by the roots it will come back with a vengeance.

Exactly.  This is a sham argument, a last-ditch effort to get the RINOs to leave it alone.

NO law "dies."  Bad ideas live forever.  We had Sin Taxes on tobacco, along the same time we were subsidizing tobacco crops.  We've had EIGHT YEARS of trillion-dollar "Stimulus."  There's still restrictions on car gas-filler necks to prevent pumping leaded gasoline in.

Thirty years after leaded gasoline disappeared.

This law needs to be repealed, cleanly and fast...or like the DDT ban, based on junk-science, like the cyclamate ban, which led to much-more-harmful saccarine being used...we'll be working around it and paying for it and bleeding ourselves white, with NO BENEFIT.

[Smokin Joe]

And continually try to make the case that forcing people to live on the liberal (government) plantation is somehow "humane".  I'll never figure that out if I live to a hundred!

Oh, that's easy.
They get to be The Great and Powerful Oz!
Benefactor of all the little people who should do all they want them to out of fawning gratitude for their boundless wisdom. (Otherwise they turn and sic the winged monkeys on you!)

It's all part of their superiority complex.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

To finish off the destruction of ObamaCare, all Trump and the GOP have to do is a whole lot of nothing….

Nobody is better at doing nothing than the Republicans

[DB]

Because the ACA has indeed been a boon to many.   Why not keep what's good and fix what's bad?   

Care to list the "good" from the ACA?

Preexisting conditions requires the mandate or no one would buy insurance until after they need care.

As far as lowering costs for some - it is because it is medical welfare forcing other people to pay for their lower costs. The ACA didn't lower costs, it just further shifted the costs to the people who were already paying their way.