Different State, Same Result: Washington court rules against Christian florist in gay wedding case

[Jazzhead]

That makes you a deliberate LIAR now too doesn't it? 

I call you a LIAR because I never told you or anyone else, anywhere at anytime that they were 'going to hell'.  Please provide the board here with the post I made that says you are going to hell and I will retract my charge.  If not - you stand a LIAR.

Your post # 58 sir:

Boy are you in for a big shock at The Judgment.

You didn't speculate, you didn't qualify that statement as your opinion, you flat out told me that I am going to hell.   That's hubris to assume you know the mind of God,  and IMO that's a far worse sin then, say,  baking a cake for a gay wedding.

 

[Norm Lenhart]

I don't think He'll take kindly to your bigotry, either.

Another day, another with Jazzhead screaming bigotry.

OK folks, who here is surprised?

[INVAR]

Your post # 58 sir:

You didn't speculate, you didn't qualify that statement as your opinion, you flat out told me that I am going to hell.   

Out of your own mouth you prove you are a liar!  How revealing!    I did not flat-out state you were going to hell.  Those words do not appear there - or in anything else I've ever written or stated.  You compounded a lie, by lying again!  How positively Clintonesque of you!

That you assume my statement that you are in for a shock at The Judgment is somehow akin to consigning you to hell - illustrates your gross ignorance of scripture on top of myriad other things.

I was addressing your specific claim that " Neither ceremony mocks God or has any religious connotations whatsoever".  I contend again, you are in for a big shock in That Day.

That's hubris to assume you know the mind of God,  and IMO that's a far worse sin then, say,  baking a cake for a gay wedding.

It goes to figure that someone like you would ascribe sin to someone who reads God's mind each day in His Word, and not just that but to assert it is a WORSE SIN (again, more biblical ignorance on your part) than homosexual abomination.

It's funny that you illustrate that there is nothing new under the sun.  The New Testament tells us the elites wanted to stone Jesus for daring to state the mind of God as well. John 10:31-34

[Jazzhead]

INVAR,  telling me I will be shocked at Judgment Day is effectively telling me I will be going to hell.   Don't give me your bullcrap about Christian virtue.  If you had any, you'd apologize, and you don't have the balls. 

[EC]

Interesting article on the OP: https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2017/02/17/shame-on-the-silent-christian-leaders-who-refuse-to-stand-against-government-tyranny-n2287063

Jazz - I'm going to be shocked on Judgement Day too. I've forgotten a hell of a lot of sins.

[Silver Pines]

Bizarre in my opinion, because a gay civil marriage is merely a contract that has nothing to do with religious marriage as defined in the Bible.  My apologies, EC, if you were offended.

@Jazzhead

You fail to understand.  When God specifies that marriage is between a man and a woman, a Christian doesn't think, oh, well, but He'd be fine with any other combination getting married in a civil ceremony, so I'm off the hook.

As for your remark about bigotry, I'm pretty sure you'd say the same things about the Biblical admonitions against homosexuality, so...

[Silver Pines]

You didn't speculate, you didn't qualify that statement as your opinion, you flat out told me that I am going to hell.   That's hubris to assume you know the mind of God,  and IMO that's a far worse sin then, say,  baking a cake for a gay wedding. 

@Jazzhead

But you're doing the same thing, aren't you, with your certainty that God wouldn't mind Christians being involved with civil ceremonies.

[Jazzhead]

Interesting article on the OP: https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2017/02/17/shame-on-the-silent-christian-leaders-who-refuse-to-stand-against-government-tyranny-n2287063

Jazz - I'm going to be shocked on Judgement Day too. I've forgotten a hell of a lot of sins.

I sin every day, EC, and I am entirely unworthy of the Kingdom of God.  But I will not stop defending the civil rights of innocents against bigots.   

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

But you're doing the same thing, aren't you, with your certainty that God wouldn't mind Christians being involved with civil ceremonies.

"Certainty"?  I merely expressed my opinion  - note the word "IMO".   INVAR just flat out said I am going to hell.  And I stated my regret at the tit for tat, because to proclaim one knows the mind of God is hubris.

 

[INVAR]

INVAR,  telling me I will be shocked at Judgment Day is effectively telling me I will be going to hell.

That's hilarious considering you have absolutely no clue what my biblical understanding is in regards to The Judgment - but will simply decree that I said what I did not say - even when the words do not appear.

If you truly think homosexual marriage does not mock God and has no religious connotation whatsoever - you are in for that shock I told you about. 

At The Judgment, because I do not think someone of your mindset will do anything but reject the Word of God in order to lean on your own understanding.

   Don't give me your bullcrap about Christian virtue.  If you had any, you'd apologize, and you don't have the balls.

Considering you continue to illustrate that you are biblically illiterate, it goes to figure you do not recognize biblical and Christian virtue, even when it is smacking you upside the head.

I do not apologize for speaking the truth.

INVAR just flat out said I am going to hell.

And you keep speaking a lie.

Flat out.

[Sanguine]

"Certainty"?  I merely expressed my opinion  - note the word "IMO".   INVAR just flat out said I am going to hell.  And I stated my regret at the tit for tat, because to proclaim one knows the mind of God is hubris.

INVAR did not say that.  You extrapolated that.  And, your formula is wrong.

But I will not stop defending the civil rights of innocents against bigots.   

You're in the wrong place to do that.  Go find some bigots and start defending. 

[Taxcontrol]

I am of the opinion that people are using the wrong grounds for the lawsuit.  !st Amendment Freedom of assembly should be the basis for the suit.

[Jazzhead]

INVAR did not say that.  You extrapolated that.

He most certainly did.   

And, your formula is wrong.

   That's your opinion.   My opinion is that hubris in thinking one knows the mind of God is a far worse sin than defending homosexuals against bigots on the internet.  May we respectfully disagree. 

You're in the wrong place to do that.  Go find some bigots and start defending.

I go where I find 'em.   And I've found one here.   

[Silver Pines]

@Jazzhead

"Certainty"?  I merely expressed my opinion  - note the word "IMO".

Yes, in your last post.  But before that:
 
"Gay marriage is civil marriage, not religious marriage.   God and the Bible have nothing to do with it. "
 
"Bizarre in my opinion, because a gay civil marriage is merely a contract that has nothing to do with religious marriage as defined in the Bible."

"It "forced" her only in the sense that she believes, quite bizarrely, that providing flowers for a civil wedding ceremony makes her complicit in "sin". "

  INVAR just flat out said I am going to hell.  And I stated my regret at the tit for tat, because to proclaim one knows the mind of God is hubris.

Okay, I see your post stating that.  Fair enough.  But INVAR didn't say any such thing; he said you're going to be shocked at the Judgment.  We all will...all our sins laid bare, that type of thing...

 

[Norm Lenhart]

He most certainly did.   
   That's your opinion.   My opinion is that hubris in thinking one knows the mind of God is a far worse sin than defending homosexuals against bigots on the internet.  May we respectfully disagree. 

I go where I find 'em.   And I've found one here.   

Actually the rest of us found a militant liberal that loves to toe the leftist line. You havent come down on the side of conservatism in a long time now.

Hopefully everyone has a good look at your post history.

[INVAR]

He most certainly did.   

I guess you are also ignorant of the definition of extrapolate, which (being generous) you did.

Because otherwise, you are engaging in flat-out, balls-out boldfaced lying in your vain attempt to libel and slander, somehow thinking it scores your arguments merit.

My opinion is that hubris in thinking one knows the mind of God is a far worse sin than defending homosexuals against bigots on the internet.

Proverbs 3:5-6 speaks directly to such ignorance. All one has to do to know the mind of God, is to read and study His Word.  He reveals it in blistering detail and truth.

And I've found one here.   

Keep flailing away there pal.

You are going to discover you picked the wrong person to pick a fight with in order to push your crusade.

[Norm Lenhart]

You are going to discover you picked the wrong person to pick a fight with in order to push your crusade.

More a Socialist agenda than a crusade, really.

[INVAR]

More a Socialist agenda than a crusade, really.

I used the term crusade because when it comes to Abortion, ObamaCare and Homosexuality - he has illustrated the fact that we are opposing his sacrosanct religious tenets.

And he is vociferously defending them, as all Leftists do when the pillars of their faith are shaken by those whose principles and sovereignty exceeds their own warped minds.

[Jazzhead]

 

[Norm Lenhart]

I used the term crusade because when it comes to Abortion, ObamaCare and Homosexuality - he has illustrated the fact that we are opposing his sacrosanct religious tenets.

And he is vociferously defending them, as all Leftists do when the pillars of their faith are shaken by those whose principles and sovereignty exceeds their own warped minds.

Right, but he also is a militant defender of Islam and the blessed muslims on the threads so I'd think he'd be 'offended' in his typical liberal way, bu the characterization ;)

[INVAR]

Right, but he also is a militant defender of Islam and the blessed muslims on the threads so I'd think he'd be 'offended' in his typical liberal way, bu the characterization ;)

I haven't read that yet,  but such would decidedly replace his Trifecta of Liberal Socialism into the realm of a full blown Christian-hating Marxist. 

Which is of course the common denominator in all of his stated positions thusfar, illustrating he remains opposed to to the foundational principles of the faith in favor of his own understanding.   As he stated, anyone claiming to know the mind of God (even though it is spelled out right in the pages of Scripture) is a worse sin than anything else.  Which goes-to-figure considering he does not consider Homosexuality, killing infants, or infidels and applauding government tyranny to be sins.

[Jazzhead]

Right, but he also is a militant defender of Islam

A militant defender of Islam?  For castigating the fools who insist that we engage in a damn religious war against 1.4 billion Muslims?  The fools who reinforce ISIS propaganda and recruiting with their every ignorant utterance? 

Send your sons to die in your unwinnable war.  American ideals of tolerance and religious freedom extend to Muslims too.   I have faith in the power of America to assimilate our immigrants and turn them into responsible citizens.   To hell with your fear-mongering. 

[INVAR]

A militant defender of Islam?  For castigating the fools who insist that we engage in a damn religious war against 1.4 billion Muslims?  The fools who reinforce ISIS propaganda and recruiting with their every ignorant utterance?

The only propaganda I'm reading here is the one that says if we speak the truth of what Islam actually is and what it intends to do, somehow swells the numbers of ISIS recruits, when the exact opposite is true.

Norm nailed you to a tee when he described you as a militant defender of Islam.

American ideals of tolerance and religious freedom extend to Muslims too.

That's funny when those ideals do not exist in Muslim nations, and somehow you expect us to extend 'tolerance' and freedom to a religion and a caliphate that will have no tolerance for anyone or anything but itself.

Norm nailed you to a tee.

I have faith in the power of America to assimilate our immigrants and turn them into responsible citizens.   To hell with your fear-mongering.

I see that the Bible and Christianity is not the only book and religion you are wholly ignorant about.

[Norm Lenhart]

A militant defender of Islam?  For castigating the fools who insist that we engage in a damn religious war against 1.4 billion Muslims?  The fools who reinforce ISIS propaganda and recruiting with their every ignorant utterance? 

Send your sons to die in your unwinnable war.  American ideals of tolerance and religious freedom extend to Muslims too.   I have faith in the power of America to assimilate our immigrants and turn them into responsible citizens.   To hell with your fear-mongering.

To hell with your love of sharia, your hate of Christianity and your backing of every liberal cause.

[mystery-ak]

Please stop the insults...