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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #650 on: August 12, 2017, 02:55:01 AM »
Anyone see the cat at the Cardinals game?
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« Reply #651 on: August 12, 2017, 03:01:44 AM »
Anyone see the cat at the Cardinals game?

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #652 on: August 14, 2017, 11:54:17 AM »
Power Rankings: Red Sox, Cardinals soar toward the top

What the Hell are power rankings?  :shrug:

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« Reply #653 on: August 14, 2017, 12:01:31 PM »
Power Rankings: Red Sox, Cardinals soar toward the top

What the Hell are power rankings?  :shrug:

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In ESPN.com's case, it's ranking each team according to how they performed in the previous week
measured against their season-long performance to date.

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« Reply #654 on: August 14, 2017, 12:02:39 PM »
Don't look now, but the Angels just snuck into the lead for the second American League wild
card slot after sweeping the Mariners and knocking a lot of wind out of the Mariners' sails.

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #656 on: August 15, 2017, 11:50:15 AM »
Cuban born (1941) Paul Casanova has passed.  He played for the Senators and then, Braves.



http://babalublog.com/2017/08/14/we-remember-paul-casanova-1941-2017/

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    Casanova set career highs in games played (141), plate appearances (551), and RBIs (53) in 1967. One particularly memorable game started on the evening of June 12. In Washington, the Senators and the Chicago White Sox played a 22-inning marathon. Casanova caught the whole thing, receiving 268 pitches.

    As he recalled in 2012, “The reason the game went so long was because of my defense” – he wiped out a number of runners. He went 1-for-9, missing a chance to end it in the 20th inning when he hit into a third-to-home-to-first double play with the bases loaded – but his one hit was the game-winner at 2:44 A.M.”


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« Reply #657 on: August 18, 2017, 01:40:47 PM »
Hyde: Is Stanton the legit HR king if he hits 62? Even he wonders | Commentary

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August 16, 2017

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If I’m Giancarlo Stanton, I’d feel conflicted about the Steroid Era, too. I’d think Roger Maris’ 61 home runs in a season is the legitimate record, too.

“Considering some things, I do,’’ he said Wednesday.

If I’m Stanton, I’d note the only three players to hit more than 61 home runs – Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa – had more performance-enhancing drugs in them than an East German swim team.

“But at the same time it doesn’t matter,’’ Stanton said. “The record is the record. But, personally, I do [think 61 is the record]...

If PED users like Bonds, McGwire and Sosa need an asterisk by their name, he said, so does Babe Ruth since he only faced white pitchers...

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #658 on: August 18, 2017, 01:57:22 PM »
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If PED users like Bonds, McGwire and Sosa need an asterisk by their name, he said, so does Babe Ruth since he only faced white pitchers...

I've heard that before, and I think it's a crap argument.  How many pitchers did Dimaggio face that were named "Alouicius?"  None?  Then he gets an asterisk by any record he may have set.
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« Reply #659 on: August 18, 2017, 02:45:32 PM »
I've heard that before, and I think it's a crap argument.  How many pitchers did Dimaggio face that were named "Alouicius?"  None?  Then he gets an asterisk by any record he may have set.
No need for an asterisk next to Babe Ruth's name, but it is true that---through absolutely no fault of his own
---Ruth didn't face a complete offering of baseball talent pool in his time and place. He also didn't play night
baseball, which really would have had an impact on his statistics. I've seen assorted calculations that
say if he'd played in the night ball era his batting average would have been somewhere around .303 lifetime
(and that would only have put him in the company of, oh, Willie Mays), whereby someone like Ralph Kiner
(to whom Branch Rickey insanely compared Ruth in his bids to keep Kiner's salaries suppressed, when
Rickey ran the Pirates) would have seen his batting average jump to about .312 if he'd played in the
strictly day-ball era. Those calculations debated whether Ruth would have hit 714 lifetime home runs
in the night ball era, though he might have gotten within the neighbourhood.

Sometimes forgotten factor involving Babe Ruth: All those triples he hit. He was mostly a dead pull hitter
but when he went the other way, especially in Yankee Stadium, he could pick up a lot of extra triples
no matter how much of a leadfoot he was on the bases because of that left center field you usually
needed to call a cab to reach from the plate. He had the same benefit when the Yankees played in the
Polo Grounds during his first three Yankee seasons.

Branch Rickey's nastiest lie about Ralph Kiner: that the Pirates built a short-porch specifically for Kiner
whereas the Yankees didn't for Babe Ruth. It simply wasn't true. The Yankees built Yankee Stadium
especially to accommodate Ruth's primary power, and why would they not? If you have a left-
handed hitter with that kind of thump and you're building a new park, and he's your number one
box office draw before Lou Gehrig arrives to match him, are you really going to build
a park that would kill him? Or build one that's great for him? The Pirates actually brought in the fence
not for Kiner but for Hank Greenberg, whom they acquired before bringing up Kiner. Greenberg in
fact became Kiner's mentor, teaching him how to modify and control his powerful swing and how
to play the outfield two batters ahead. The new short porch was first nicknamed Greenberg Gardens;
when Greenberg retired and Kiner became the power hitting draw for the Pirates the nickname
was changed to Kiner's Korner.
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« Reply #660 on: August 18, 2017, 02:53:21 PM »
No need for an asterisk next to Babe Ruth's name, but it is true that---through absolutely no fault of his own
---Ruth didn't face a complete offering of baseball talent pool in his time and place. He also didn't play night
baseball, which really would have had an impact on his statistics. I've seen assorted calculations that
say if he'd played in the night ball era his batting average would have been somewhere around .303 lifetime
(and that would only have put him in the company of, oh, Willie Mays), whereby someone like Ralph Kiner
(to whom Branch Rickey insanely compared Ruth in his bids to keep Kiner's salaries suppressed, when
Rickey ran the Pirates) would have seen his batting average jump to about .312 if he'd played in the
strictly day-ball era. Those calculations debated whether Ruth would have hit 714 lifetime home runs
in the night ball era, though he might have gotten within the neighbourhood.

Precisely.  Because the game has always been changing the rules here and there, one can make the case that it's impossible to compare any players at all who came from different eras.  We have the "limp ball" era, the high mound era, the pre-DH era...the list goes on.
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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #661 on: August 18, 2017, 02:58:23 PM »
Don't look now, but the Angels just snuck into the lead for the second American League wild
card slot after sweeping the Mariners and knocking a lot of wind out of the Mariners' sails.

The Rangers have played well since getting rid of Darvish,  it's like he was a cloud hanging over them all year.

I like their chances of getting the second wild card, since of all the teams battling for it, they are the only ones with a positive run differential for the season. 
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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #662 on: August 18, 2017, 02:59:47 PM »
Precisely.  Because the game has always been changing the rules here and there, one can make the case that it's impossible to compare any players at all who came from different eras.  We have the "limp ball" era, the high mound era, the pre-DH era...the list goes on.
The forgotten factoid about the era of actual or alleged performance-enhancing substances: power
numbers might have spiked anyway . . . because of a large volume of yummy new ballparks coming
into use that favoured hitting rather remarkably. (Which makes men like Greg Maddux and Tom
Glavine even more great, considering they weren't power pitchers and had to make their Hall of
Fame cases pitching with finesse and brains against both the big boppers and ballparks
that usually killed pitchers.)
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« Reply #663 on: August 18, 2017, 04:03:32 PM »
The forgotten factoid about the era of actual or alleged performance-enhancing substances: power
numbers might have spiked anyway . . . because of a large volume of yummy new ballparks coming
into use that favoured hitting rather remarkably. (Which makes men like Greg Maddux and Tom
Glavine even more great, considering they weren't power pitchers and had to make their Hall of
Fame cases pitching with finesse and brains against both the big boppers and ballparks
that usually killed pitchers.)

A friend of mine showed me Barry Bonds' stats, and he made a good case when comparing pre-juice Bonds to the later numbers he could have broken Aaron's record without the juice.
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« Reply #664 on: August 18, 2017, 04:17:32 PM »
A friend of mine showed me Barry Bonds' stats, and he made a good case when comparing pre-juice Bonds to the later numbers he could have broken Aaron's record without the juice.

I think that Bonds' pre-juice stats were good enough to get him into the HOF in the first year of his eligibility.

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« Reply #665 on: August 18, 2017, 04:22:56 PM »
I think that Bonds' pre-juice stats were good enough to get him into the HOF in the first year of his eligibility.
Exactly.

Some time back, I did a little research on the players who did use actual or alleged performance-enhancing
substances, and I noticed something: the majority of those players, whether they played in the Show or
never got out of the minor leagues, showed no noticeable spikes in their batting statistics while they were
thought to have been juicing---and, if anything, a considerable volume of those players showed
drops
in their batting stats while on the juice.
Two major leaguers I can think of who never showed Bonds-
like jumps in their statistics and also showed noticeable dips in their stats during their juicing periods
were Jose Canseco (who likes to think he's the Johnny Appleseed of actual or alleged PEDs) and Jason Giambi
(who fessed up on his own).

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #666 on: August 18, 2017, 04:25:52 PM »
I've heard that before, and I think it's a crap argument.  How many pitchers did Dimaggio face that were named "Alouicius?"  None?  Then he gets an asterisk by any record he may have set.
The one thing that put a crimp in Joe DiMaggio's style---he was a stubborn power hitter who believed to his
soul that hitting the opposite way wasn't "legitimate" hitting, and thus Yankee Stadium arrested his power
numbers. There was once a rumour that DiMaggio might be traded for Ted Williams, and such a trade
would have benefitted both players: DiMaggio would have produced fatter power stats hitting in Fenway
Park as his home park, and Williams would have gone from off-the-charts to Ruthian territory in his
power numbers hitting in Yankee Stadium. They were both off-the-chart hitters no matter where
they played, but that trade if consummated would have put a shot of rocket fuel into both men's
slugging stats.


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