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TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« on: January 21, 2017, 03:33:42 pm »
TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative

By Ben Shapiro
January 20, 2017


 Friday, Donald J. Trump became President of the United States. His inaugural address was pure Trump: a populist brew of government interventionism, patriotic rhetoric, law and order toughness, protectionist economics, and isolationist foreign policy. It was politically brilliant, and it had little to do with conservatism.

Trump is Trump.

His supporters will cheer, of course, as they would at nearly anything he said. His critics will complain, of course, as they would at nearly anything he said. But if Trump’s inaugural address foretold any serious policy, he just presaged a major political realignment: a movement of the Republican Party away from the Reagan conservatism of the past – fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, foreign policy hawkishness – to Pat Buchananite populism. Trump’s philosophy – what we’ve seen of it, at least -- is absolutely antithetical to the idea of maintaining liberty at home through small government and abroad through alliances and muscular defense.

That will shake up both sides of the political aisle. It will also make conservative philosophy a stranger to the halls of power for the foreseeable future.

That doesn’t mean that we won’t see significant doses of conservative policy. Trump’s populism has crossover with some such policy, just as it does with Bernie Sanders’ democratic socialism. But it has no philosophical crossover with conservatism itself, because it is predicated on the notion that the government represents the dreams of the people, and the Great Leader represents their agent.

So, in no particular order, some thoughts.

1. The “Dark” Speech Was Politically Brilliant. Just as the media got Trump’s Republican National Convention address all wrong – they complained about its darkness and its gloom – they’ll get this one wrong, too. They’re all focusing in on the phrase “American carnage” from the speech, not realizing that Trump is doing something quite intelligent: he’s setting a backdrop for his performance as president. Barack Obama used George W. Bush as his foil for eight years, to great success. Trump is taking office proclaiming America a Mad Max-ian wasteland – a feeling many Americans share, particularly in his base – and thus setting himself up as the man of change.

2. Trump’s Definition of Enemies Is Smart. Trump also declared all the popular whipping boys his enemies: Washington D.C., the “establishment” (all of whom support him inside the Republican Party), foreign countries supposedly stealing our jobs and wealth. Trump understands innately that politics is the art of opposition, and he used his inaugural address to set himself in opposition to the enemies of the American people. The best line of Trump’s speech came early: “we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you, the people.” This portion of the speech was tremendous:


Read more at:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12615/trump-inaugural-address-brilliant-populist-not-ben-shapiro

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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2017, 04:49:36 pm »
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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 05:27:15 pm »
:thumbsup:

Which part of the article is your thumbs-up for?  (Assuming you actually read the article.)

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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 05:36:36 pm »
Populism is a cowards way of admitting their progressivism.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 05:41:26 pm »
Populism is a cowards way of admitting their progressivism.

"America First" is a cornerstone of progressivism? 

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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2017, 05:44:06 pm »
Shapiro has a point (as always) but Trump's political philosophy, as he generally laid out yesterday, has far more in common with Conservatism than it does Progressivism.

There is nothing intrinsically antithetical to conservatism in an America First approach.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2017, 05:54:03 pm »
Populism is a cowards way of admitting their progressivism.

Yep.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2017, 06:01:25 pm »
Yep.

No less progressive than the republican who founded the progressive party.

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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2017, 06:01:42 pm »
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[Trump]...will also make conservative philosophy a stranger to the halls of power for the foreseeable future….it has no philosophical crossover with conservatism itself, because it is predicated on the notion that the government represents the dreams of the people, and the Great Leader represents their agent.

Exactly as we warned it would.

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..Trump: “Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength” – applied, to trade, is economically illiterate. But that won’t stop Trump from embracing an anti-free trade mentality that will deeply damage our economy

Exactly as we warned it would.

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Trump Isn’t Going To Limit Government. He’s Going To Use It With Alacrity. ...This is different from what the conviction of our founders was: not that a nation exists to serve its citizens, but that a nation exists to protect their rights. That difference is not minor. It is foundational. Trump’s vision of government provides jobs, invests in infrastructure at incredible rates, guarantees health care, and the like.

Which is exactly as we warned he would govern: as a NYC Liberal Democrat, sans the raw hatred of the country the Communist Left does.

And to some, that is all that matters.

But in terms of Conservatism and liberty itself - nothing will change.   Trump will grow government power and intrusion just as Hillary would have, and introduce a whole different set of dangers when Trump governs as Trump rather than a Statesman with the stewardship of the Executive.
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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2017, 06:06:07 pm »
Yep.

So you agree "America First" is the cornerstone of progressivism.  Good to know. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2017, 06:28:18 pm »
So you agree "America First" is the cornerstone of progressivism.  Good to know.

I sure don't.

Secured Borders, Ending the carnage in America (per places we know of), drugs, fight terrorism. I guess these are the pillars of progressivism then.

You add on that Trump is likely to be pro-life in a major way; I know there is always room for criticism so be it. Trump's probably going to be pro-Israel too, we will though, have to see what happens.

Anway, I think dailywire is Ben Shapiro, good man, clearly invested in this situation. Others are saying the speech wasn't good so at least, they are saying it was brilliant.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2017, 06:29:28 pm »
So you agree "America First" is the cornerstone of progressivism.  Good to know.

It's like speaking to a rock, @Right_in_Virginia ...not at all worth it.

These are the some of the same members that fiercely defended their claim that Donald Trump was acting only as a "Trojan Horse" for Hillary Clinton...just because as a businessman based in NYC...he contributed to Democrats.
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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2017, 06:34:06 pm »
It's like speaking to a rock, @Right_in_Virginia ...not at all worth it.

These are the some of the same members that fiercely defended their claim that Donald Trump was acting only as a "Trojan Horse" for Hillary Clinton...just because as a businessman based in NYC...he contributed to Democrats. 

I had been holding out hope @DCPatriot  But methinks you are right.   It's not worth the time or investment.   **nononono*

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2017, 06:39:36 pm »
I had been holding out hope @DCPatriot  But methinks you are right.   It's not worth the time or investment.   **nononono*

Baloney...  Many of us never made that claim.  Many of us DO still believe he was, is, and shall be a Trojan horse for the left wing agenda
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2017, 06:48:34 pm »
Baloney...  Many of us never made that claim.  Many of us DO still believe he was, is, and shall be a Trojan horse for the left wing agenda

Which side are you arguing here @catfish1957 ?

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2017, 06:52:23 pm »
Which side are you arguing here @catfish1957 ?

For the conservative side and movement, which Trump obviously is not.  How about you RIV..... Are thou a conservative, or just an extension of your orange master?
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2017, 06:57:03 pm »
Baloney...  Many of us never made that claim.  Many of us DO still believe he was, is, and shall be a Trojan horse for the left wing agenda

All I know is that Piers Morgan loves him some Donald Trump.

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2017, 07:05:04 pm »
I don't know what trump "Is".  But I'm damn sure going to keep my stupid mouth shut till I can judge him on his record.... That clock started yesterday.

I wish the rest of you would do the same.

Just say'n

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 07:07:39 pm »
These are the some of the same members that fiercely defended their claim that Donald Trump was acting only as a "Trojan Horse" for Hillary Clinton...just because as a businessman based in NYC...he contributed to Democrats.

Trump was 'just a businessman' from NYC??????




Oh and YES, I was fully convinced he was Hillary's stalking horse:


"I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president"

Trump did not just hand out donations to fund Liberal/Leftist/Communist campaigns and foundations - but VOTED HE FOR THEM - CAMPAIGNED FOR THEM:



Trump helped give us Obama.  He voted for him.

Trump helped give us the Clintons. He voted for, funded and campaigned for them.

Trump gave NYC Communist Mayor Bill DeBlasio.  He funded, campaigned and voted for him.

With all the available evidence of whom Trump supported and campaigned for - it was no stretch to suggest he was in the race for "his friends" as a spoiler.

I have my own thoughts on why he decided to go all the way.

Regardless of any of that, a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who voted for Obama is now President of the country and the HEAD of the Republican Party.

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Re: TRUMP INAUGURAL ADDRESS: Brilliant, Populist, NOT Conservative
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 07:08:25 pm »
I don't know what trump "Is".  But I'm damn sure going to keep my stupid mouth shut till I can judge him on his record.... That clock started yesterday.

I wish the rest of you would do the same.

Just say'n

Valid point.

The problem is that he is a serial liar, so anything he says could be, just like his campaign garbage, just lies.

That's where that old character problem comes in.  He may DO a few things we approve of, but he will still not BE someone we approve of.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 07:08:39 pm »
I don't know what trump "Is".  But I'm damn sure going to keep my stupid mouth shut till I can judge him on his record.... That clock started yesterday.

I wish the rest of you would do the same.

Just say'n

You go right on and play lets pretend. I know for a fact that he's been a lowlife piece of trash liberal for 70 years.

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2017, 07:09:57 pm »
You go right on and play lets pretend. I know for a fact that he's been a lowlife piece of trash liberal for 70 years.

Whatever.

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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2017, 07:10:02 pm »
Trump’s populism has crossover with some such policy, just as it does with Bernie Sanders’ democratic socialism. But it has no philosophical crossover with conservatism itself, because it is predicated on the notion that the government represents the dreams of the people, and the Great Leader represents their agent.

I wish I'd written that.


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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2017, 07:13:44 pm »
I wish I'd written that.

Oh, I'm sure you did somewhere, some time.  ^-^
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2017, 07:14:36 pm »
From the article:

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6. Trump Isn’t Going To Limit Government. He’s Going To Use It With Alacrity. Immediately after stating that Washington
D.C. would have to delegate power back to the people, Trump dropped this line: “At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction,
that a nation exists to serve its citizens. Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families and good
jobs for themselves. These are just and reasonable demands of righteous people and a righteous public.” This is different from what
the conviction of our founders was: not that a nation exists to serve its citizens, but that a nation exists to protect their rights. That
difference is not minor. It is foundational.
Trump’s vision of government provides jobs, invests in infrastructure at incredible rates,
guarantees health care, and the like. As Trump ad libbed, “We will build new roads and highways and bridges and airports and tunnels
and railways all across our wonderful nation.” His view of government is that government ought to take care of the citizenry, rather than
protecting the citizens so they can take care of themselves.
(Emphases added.)

I wish I'd written that, too.
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