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Should Clelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?

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Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« on: January 19, 2017, 04:37:46 pm »
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Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.

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Re: Should Clelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 04:39:49 pm »
No but it has been and that's the end of that.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 04:57:44 pm »
Too late....he has been. I do think he will off himself within a year or two.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 04:59:17 pm »
No, it should not have been.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 05:03:14 pm »
Thanks Nancy! The poll question should be what you quoted above and not whether or not he (or she) should have been pardoned. 
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Should Clelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 05:05:50 pm »
No but it has been and that's the end of that.

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This is the actual question I wanted to be asked. 

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks?

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 05:07:01 pm »
Too late....he has been. I do think he will off himself within a year or two.

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This should have been the poll question

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 05:07:58 pm »
No, it should not have been.

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This should have been the poll question.

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks?
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2017, 05:09:36 pm »
@Bigun

In that case, my brother, yes, I do believe that. The invincibly arrogant stupidity of the young trumps premeditation.   :laugh:
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2017, 05:16:15 pm »
@Bigun

In that case, my brother, yes, I do believe that. The invincibly arrogant stupidity of the young trumps premeditation.   :laugh:

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I think you still don't understand what I wished to ask here.  Perhaps I should restate the question thusly:

Do you believe that it is possible for a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance to just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and download a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walk out with that in his pocket, and hand it over to Wikileaks.
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2017, 07:05:39 pm »
@flowers

This should have been the poll question

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.
  I agree, how have you been @Bigun hope all is well with you and yours. my answer is no to that question by the way.


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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2017, 07:10:06 pm »
@EC

I think you still don't understand what I wished to ask here.  Perhaps I should restate the question thusly:

Do you believe that it is possible for a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance to just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and download a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.

No, but I guess we'll never find out the truth now that he's been pardoned.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2017, 10:11:16 pm »
  I agree, how have you been @Bigun hope all is well with you and yours. my answer is no to that question by the way.

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All is fine here!  Hope the same is true where you are!

Thanks for the response!
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2017, 10:11:55 pm »
No, but I guess we'll never find out the truth now that he's been pardoned.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2017, 10:37:57 pm »

What about Manning's immediate superiors, up the line?

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2017, 01:05:40 am »
No and it's Bradley Manning. He should have remained in prison.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2017, 02:12:44 am »
@Bigun

I'm bumping into a problem (one you know well) in writing a reply.

In short though, while it seems unlikely on the surface, yes, it is perfectly possible. @truth_seeker has touched on one of the reasons in his reply. However, I do think there was a certain amount of "assistance" going on - from and by whom I won't speculate.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2017, 02:17:56 am »
There is no Chelsea Manning.

Only the traitor named Bradley Manning.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2017, 03:06:54 am »
@Bigun

I'm bumping into a problem (one you know well) in writing a reply.

In short though, while it seems unlikely on the surface, yes, it is perfectly possible. @truth_seeker has touched on one of the reasons in his reply. However, I do think there was a certain amount of "assistance" going on - from and by whom I won't speculate.

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Gotcha.  We are in agreement.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 03:02:27 pm »
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Gotcha.  We are in agreement.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 03:14:52 pm »
If I were Emperor, that THING would be defenestrated as an example to all others who would follow in its path.


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It is in sore need of that treatment!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2017, 03:09:49 am »
Dangit, when I first read the title I thought the question was should it be executed.