Russian Orthodox Church Angry as State Destroys "Extremist" Bibles (Salvation Army)

[TomSea]

Russian Orthodox Church Angry as State Destroys "Extremist" Bibles

Spokespeople of the Russian Orthodox Church expressed concern over a court ruling in the Far Eastern city of Vladivostok that outlined destroying 40 Bibles in accordance with the notorious “Yarovaya legislation,” the Vedomosti newspaper reported Wednesday.

Earlier this week, Russian media reported a Vladivostok court handing down a 30,000-ruble ($495) fine to the Salvation Army christian organization for incorrectly marking bibles the organization was distributing. In addition to the fine, the court ordered the books' destruction – 36 Russian-language Bibles and four English-language ones among them.

It is the first precedent of implementing the “Yarovaya legislation” and its harsher regulations for missionaries. “Essentially, the organization was punished for illegal missionary – not terrorist or extremist – activity by destruction of the Bible,” a spokeswoman for the Moscow Patriarchy of the Russian Orthodox Church Xenia Chernega told Vedomosti.

Continued At: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-orthodox-church-concerned-by-far-eastern-court-decision-to-destroy-40-bibles-56672

[TomSea]

I wonder what was offensive about the Bibles,

But for all the hand-wringing about what our leader did, rightful criticism, this is pretty bad to do as well.

Maybe it is their perception of the Salvation Army?

[geronl]

Putin made it illegal to share your faith outside of the walls of church, including at home

[Idiot]

Putin made it illegal to share your faith outside of the walls of church, including at home

@geronl
This is the first I've heard of the destroying of the Bibles.  Do you have  link to news on your above statement? 

[geronl]

@geronl
This is the first I've heard of the destroying of the Bibles.  Do you have  link to news on your above statement?

It was passed in July, Putin supported it.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html

https://www.premierchristianradio.com/News/World/Russia-Christians-banned-from-discussing-faith-outside-church

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-russia-refuse-stop-sharing-the-gospel-despite-putins-ban-evangelism-167442/


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I guess Christians are treated like potential terrorists in Russia

[TomSea]

Putin made it illegal to share your faith outside of the walls of church, including at home

Also, Russia has cracked down on some outside-of-Russia types of Missionary religions.

See Jehovah's Witnesses and Russia. This is definitely along the lines of religious persecution, whether the normal American or Conservative or whomever care due to it being JWs, is another issue.

Jehovah’s Witnesses targeted by Russia's anti-extremism laws simply for practising their pacifist faith, say campaigners
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jehovah-s-witnesses-targeted-under-russias-anti-extremism-laws-simply-for-practising-their-pacifist-a6756506.html

If one is interested, there is a whole lot on Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia on the web.

It could be in reference to the laws GeronL is writing about though I think this with JWs has gone on for awhile.

[geronl]

It could be in reference to the laws GeronL is writing about though I think this with JWs has gone on for awhile.

The law was passed in July and applies to everyone, not just JW's

[TomSea]

Anyway, I do care what happens to JWs, Salvation Army, etc. It shows there is a different set of values. These laws to, seem like they can limit what outsiders/foreigners can do there. The Mormons might be another interesting case.

It's kind of like they have a state religion there, the Orthodox Church.

The JWs, seemed to have been listed per that article above, as much as two years ago.

[TomSea]

2012:

Russia’s Anti-Mormon Campaign
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/09/russia-s-anti-mormon-campaign.html

I'll read that article I posted a bit closer.

[TomSea]

GeronL is absolutely correct and the article deals with this Yarovaya Law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarovaya_Law

At the same time, they are not real hospitable towards home-grown Yank religions; if I can say that and have shown that.

[Cripplecreek]

Putin made it illegal to share your faith outside of the walls of church, including at home

Its a return to the way the communists did things.

If the only churches operating openly are listed and licensed its easy to check to make sure they aren't straying from state approved doctrine. If the church is operating underground you know its up to something illegal.

It should be noted that Russia has repeatedly failed in their attempts to place constraints on church doctrine. It just led to more resistance and more underground churches. Things like barge churches that sold goods on remote stretches of rivers but also operated as illegal churches that locals could attend a couple times per year.

The "Old Believers" are an interesting bunch who fled to Alaska and other remote places where they still live largely isolated. They're like Amish who love Vodka.

[Idiot]

It was passed in July, Putin supported it.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html

https://www.premierchristianradio.com/News/World/Russia-Christians-banned-from-discussing-faith-outside-church

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-russia-refuse-stop-sharing-the-gospel-despite-putins-ban-evangelism-167442/


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I guess Christians are treated like potential terrorists in Russia

@geronl thanks for the link.  I had no idea this was happening.  How horrible.........

[The_Reader_David]

Putin made it illegal to share your faith outside of the walls of church, including at home

I suspect I'd have no trouble from the Russian authorities if I were to share my faith during a visit there.

Of course I'm an Orthodox Christian.  [:-)====

(That's an Orthodox monastic or clerical smiley -- a kamilavka and a long beard.)

[kevindavis007]

But people on our side still loves Putin cause they think laws like this is only going after Islam.

[Cripplecreek]

But people on our side still loves Putin cause they think laws like this is only going after Islam.

I don't care if he did just go after islam, he's still a thug.

[kevindavis007]

I don't care if he did just go after islam, he's still a thug.

I agree.. His is a thug plain and simple..

[Cripplecreek]

I agree.. His is a thug plain and simple..

Hitler probably took out a few criminals the world was better off without along the way but that didn't make him worthy of ass kissing.

[kevindavis007]

Hitler probably took out a few criminals the world was better off without along the way but that didn't make him worthy of ass kissing.

I just don't get the Putin ass kissing.. Don't these knuckleheads realize that if we have these types of laws here (which won't pass thank to our founding fathers), the far left will use laws like this to go after Christianity.  I'm not a fan of Islam, but I happen to quite fond of thing called Freedom.

[Cripplecreek]

I just don't get the Putin ass kissing.. Don't these knuckleheads realize that if we have these types of laws here (which won't pass thank to our founding fathers), the far left will use laws like this to go after Christianity.  I'm not a fan of Islam, but I happen to quite fond of thing called Freedom.

I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of exterminating some 1.7 billion muslims which some on "our side" seem to think the goal should be. (But don't you dare call them nazis)

I prefer to look to rational modern true American Muslims like Zhudi Jasser for leadership on how to deal with the issue of Islam in America.

[kevindavis007]

I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of exterminating some 1.7 billion muslims which some on "our side" seem to think the goal should be. (But don't you dare call them nazis)

I prefer to look to rational modern true American Muslims like Zhudi Jasser for leadership on how to deal with the issue of Islam in America.

Same here.. I don't like the idea of who sale genocide based on a religion.


Same here.. I hope he succeeds in helping Islam starts it's reformation.

[Sanguine]

I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of exterminating some 1.7 billion muslims which some on "our side" seem to think the goal should be. (But don't you dare call them nazis)

I prefer to look to rational modern true American Muslims like Zhudi Jasser for leadership on how to deal with the issue of Islam in America.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jasser calls for a reformation of Islam - for it to become something it is not now. 

[kevindavis007]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jasser calls for a reformation of Islam - for it to become something it is not now.

He has..

[Sanguine]

He has..

And, that is his solution to the "problem of islam".

[Cripplecreek]

And, that is his solution to the "problem of islam".

In part. He's also spoken of the need to slow down the flow of muslims into the USA for better vetting. Standing in support of muslims who do speak out. End 1600 year old literal interpretations of the Quaran.

I love who Wiki calls his "controversial" funders. Guys like Foster Friess and Frank Gaffney.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuhdi_Jasser#Controversial_funding