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@mountaineer They have in the past,and will again now and in the future if they are allowed to do so. Back when the Catholics held power,being booted out of the Church was almost a death sentence due to starvation and exposure. No one would have anything to do with you or help you,for fear of themselves becoming targets.Some Protestant Churches have done the same with their members that started to ask uncomfortable non-Church PC questions.Yeah,the Jews did this too,by banning disobedient members.Both Protestants and Catholics banded together to weaken the Mormon Religion before they would "allow" Utah statehood. Granted,the Mormons themselves are more to blame in this than the Protestants and Catholics because they punked out and accepted outsiders/non-believers to dictate what beliefs they could follow or not follow.And look at what Islam is doing today.
There's a reason I didn't include Islam in my mention of "legitimate" religions.
Good thing they banned religion in Russia it must have been paradise. @Idaho_Cowboy The Soviets DIDN'T ban religion in the USSR. That lie was western propaganda,mostly from Christians,but pretty much everyone believed it,including the ruling political classes.What the Soviets did was ABSORB religion. "Russian Orthodox Priest" became a KBG career field. Who can think of a better place to plant NKVD/KGB spies to spy on troublemakers than the priesthood? After all,the guilt-ridden confessed to their priest all their anti-Soviet deeds and thoughts each week.Any priest already heading up a parish would either play along at first,or off to the gulag they would go to work and tend their flocks there. After a few years ALL the priests were KGB agents or informers. The Patriarch of the RO Church was approved by the Politburo ,just like they had been under the Czars.I don't know this to be a fact,but I strongly suspect the NKVD/KGB were also running informers amongst the Mosque crowds in their various shitstans. There is no doubt the Soviet leadership were evil people,but they weren't stupid,so it's hard to believe they would pass up a chance like that."Perhaps the problem is centralized power be it a religion or the party."BINGO! It is an absolute fact that power corrupts,and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
@mountaineer Would that reason be you consider it to be a cult?
Isaak Hayes left South Park over it so they doubled down and made Chef a child molester and it sounds like there may be a fair amount of that going on within the "church".
Had you bothered to watch the program, you would have heard last night how Scientology is like the Hotel California - you can check in but never leave. Leah spoke to a couple who escaped, separately. Each of them was followed, the guy was run off the road by Scientology enforcers who tried to kidnap him and take him back. The woman was required to have five escorts wherever she went (even to an appointment with the eye doctor). Cults do that. Religions don't. Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, Catholicism, the various Protestant denominations - do not forbid their members to leave the religion. They don't surround them with razor wire like at Scientology's base in Hemet, Calif. They don't guard them, kidnap them, track them down and harass them and their families. That's what Scientology does. That's what some other cults do. Baptists, Methodists, Roman Catholics, Sikhs (for example) don't do that. Hank Hanegraaff, Equip.org.Hope this helps. Feel free to read more at Equip.org.
Scientology was the product of a mediocre sci fi writer's greed and lust for young boys.
@IsailedawayfromFR According to YOUR logic Hillary should be president now because the MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS VOTED FOR HER,AND BEING A MAJORITY THAT MEANS THEY ARE SANE,RIGHT?Group thought just indicates shallow thoughts or points of view.
@Cripplecreek they think that Isaak Hayes didn't leave South Park by his own choice..
That's the nice thing about being a Christian. Individual Christians can denounce me for stepping outside traditional doctrine on a few issues and nothing changes. Even the Pope can denounce me and its meaningless to me partially because I'm Protestant and partly because nothing will happen even if I were Catholic.
Yep.. Also, there is a rumor that created Scientology on a bet..
Robert Forward would have made a much better Cult leader.His doctrine would be along the lines of " Go forth, explore and expand into space, multiply, colonize and prosper."
Hell, I would join that cult.. Forwadism..
You could even be a Forwardist and Judaeo-Christian because it doesn't come into conflict with either.Gotta love a man who can write sci fi, fill it with rock solid science and open with the words "I've got a job for you. It pays a billion." (Saturn Rukh)
Never read his books, but I think I'll start reading them..
No.
What evidence do you submit that supports these baseless claims that this now exists?
@IsailedawayfromFR You ask me to produce evidence to support what I wrote,adn then claim in the same sentence that what I wrote is baseless?And you no doubt still wonder why I think you are an idiot?Logic ain't your strong point,is it?
In the fifth episode of Leah Remini’s A&E series exposing Scientology, she has a message for viewers, Scientologists, and the private investigators hired to follow the production team around: You ain’t seen nothing yet.The episode’s focus rests on gala fundraisers organized by the “church.” Remini explains that these helped keep her tied to the group even after doubts began to surface. The galas center around Scientology’s great successes helping inner city school children and drug addicts—which are all demonstratively false, according to the former producer of these events, Marc Headley. ...Sitting opposite Remini and Mike Rinder—the former International Spokesman for Scientology—the Headleys shared tales of false imprisonment, forced abortion, and working for slave wages during their 15 years in Scientology’s most elite group, the Sea Organization. ...When explaining how she came to leave the “church,” Claire makes a point of stating she didn’t just depart—she escaped. Both Marc and Claire describe how they fled: Marc on motorcycle, which was run off the road by Scientologists in the California desert. Claire had to sneak onto a bus, away from Scientology minders on a trip to Walmart—where she was shopping for contact lenses that had to be approved by a dozen higher-ups.Upon arriving in Las Vegas, she was stopped by other Scientologists, at which time Claire sat on her purse in the middle of the bus station, prepared to raise a ruckus if they tried to physically drag her back to the International Base in California. The Headleys described how others escaped the Base: over barbed wire and through miles of desert to the nearest signs of civilization, four miles away. ...Given just the Headley’s testimony, viewers are left wondering why there has yet to be a raid on the International Base in California in order to, at the very least, interview its residents and give them the opportunity to safely depart. While police and prosecutors in areas in which Scientology operates may have been able to play dumb thus far, Remini’s bombshell special has now made that farce impossible to continue.
I’d been planning to watch Leah Rimini’s Scientology exposé series and finally managed to squeeze in 3 of the episodes between important football games during the holiday weekend.I discovered that the church of Scientology is a billion dollar earth-centric cult ministered by an elite organization (Sea Org) that practices unlicensed psychology for which they charge exorbitant fees (up to $250,000 over the lifetime of an ordinary, non-celebrity member). It was founded by L. Ron Hubbard ...While the foundation of the church’s doctrine is hardly the stuff of the world’s great religions, Scientology makes up for its lack of spirituality by imposing an impressive array of truths, doctrines and practices – all of which require separate processing and handling charges. Unlike many religions, in Scientology money can buy happiness, or at least a higher place on the bridge to consciousness. And if that’s not convincing enough on it’s own, the church very consciously attempts to recruit celebrities for the promotional value of their membership. And their money.Following Hubbard’s death in 1986 the church leadership was assumed by a man (David Miscavige) who never finished high school, has an explosive temper, enjoys beating the crap out of people and whose wife mysteriously disappeared years ago butt nobody has ever investigated; it’s almost like he’s a Democrat…or a Muslim, or something.Apparently when you sign up to be a Scientologist it is for life. If you attempt to leave you are totally cut off from your family and friends who are forbidden to speak to you but are encouraged to malign, denigrate and defame you in any way possible – again, just like with Democrats. ...
No basis to support the claims you made that these religions force those to remain.You certainly have a shallow retention time. Go back and reread what you said.
still awaiting@sneakypete
