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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #100 on: December 07, 2016, 04:53:32 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on December 07, 2016, 04:32:35 pm
There is a whole entire logistical train that has to be established for the two aircraft to last their lifetime in service.  Plus you have to train the aircrews, loggies and wrench turners the ins-and outs of the new platform.  That costs money.

Some people don't seem to understand that.

Trump Is Right To Attack The Cost Of Air Force One Replacement Program
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #101 on: December 07, 2016, 04:54:54 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on December 07, 2016, 04:42:29 pm
The planes belong to the USAF, they are maintained and operated by the USAF. I think the USAF is up to the job without to much help from Boeing.
Boeing has on call, if not field support engineers/technicians much like Lockheed and other manufacturer's...there are a number of situations/things that are outside the scope of the maintainers and operators that require manufacturer support.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #102 on: December 07, 2016, 05:14:09 pm »
Quote from: r9etb on December 07, 2016, 03:44:21 pm
You really are misinformed.  Either that, or you're so in the tank for your idiot savior that you'll make any argument, however silly, to protect him.


^^^^^^^^ THIS!

You are going to experience A LOT of this from the Fascists For Trump from here on out.

Limbaugh already spear-heading the way.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #103 on: December 07, 2016, 05:20:58 pm »
Quote from: SZonian on December 07, 2016, 04:54:54 pm
Boeing has on call, if not field support engineers/technicians much like Lockheed and other manufacturer's...there are a number of situations/things that are outside the scope of the maintainers and operators that require manufacturer support.

That's true of a lot of the planes Boeing has built for the military.

For that matter, cutting them off from the manufacturer is how we managed to ground the Iranian air force without firing a shot.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2016, 05:24:01 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on December 07, 2016, 05:14:09 pm
Limbaugh already spear-heading the way.

Fat-heading, I'm sure you meant to say....
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #105 on: December 07, 2016, 06:30:13 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on December 07, 2016, 04:53:32 pm
Trump Is Right To Attack The Cost Of Air Force One Replacement Program

No he's not.  And you're showing you have a as big...if not bigger...lack of knowledge of what goes into making a plane into AF1 than Trump does.

Here...let me educate you. 

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To say the president flies in a 747-200 does not paint the full picture. Air Force One's designation is actually VC-25A: a military plane.

The commercial skeleton is essentially custom-built to transform it, in the White House's words, into "a mobile command centre in the event of an attack on the United States".

The budget sheet for the replacement plane includes upgrading all the electrical systems to military grade and twin backup power systems, for example.

Those upgrades mean Air Force One is shielded against an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) - a type of energy burst that can damage most electronics. It's a side effect of nuclear weapons detonated at high altitude.

Other upgrades include military communications equipment and the "self-defence system".

That probably means electronic countermeasures to throw off missiles - though the US Air Force doesn't go into detail. Photos of the current Air Force One are shared by military aviation enthusiasts online, speculating on what exactly is behind all the panels on its tail section.

All of this doesn't come cheap. In fact, the first step in the process is to just buy two 747-8 commercial aircraft - only then does the actual design work begin.

Why two? Well, there's always the vice-president's plane - Air Force Two.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38236404


They don't just take a 747 off the assembly line...slap a coat of paint on it and add the Presidential Seal to it a voila AF1.

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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #106 on: December 07, 2016, 06:35:41 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on December 07, 2016, 04:09:29 pm
I'll go with keeping the current AF1 flying and save the 4 billion we don't have. I'll bet there is still a lot of life left in those 2 747s. Plus Trump can use his own 757 in a pinch.

The current planes are 30 years old.  The older a plane gets the more it costs to keep it flying.  The longer they are down for maintenance.  The FAA and the USAF has strict rules about this.  30 years of takeoffs...landings...flying at altitude wears out an airframe.

Do you know how many MILLIONS of miles and hours those airframes have on them?

And then there is the scarcity of parts for a plane that Boeing no longer makes.

Trump can NOT use his private BBJ 757.  For one the Secret Service wouldn't allow it and they DO have the authority to tell him no.  Secondly...unless you're really itching for President Mike Pence...the worst thing you could hope for Trump to do is jump in that 757...it's a big ol unguarded unsecured target that some jihadist would just LOVE to blow out of the sky.

You REALLY need to take a step back...take a breath and stop letting your knee jerk of anything and everything Trump get in the way of common sense and logic.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #107 on: December 07, 2016, 06:39:16 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on December 07, 2016, 02:18:56 pm
I think he will lower the corporate tax rate across the board, but he also may make 'deals' with certain companies.

...only if said company is in a State governed by a Republican...or who at least holds Trump's brand of patriotism and vision.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #108 on: December 07, 2016, 06:46:05 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on December 07, 2016, 06:39:16 pm
...only if said company is in a State governed by a Republican...or who at least holds Trump's brand of patriotism and vision.

EXACTLY CORRECT.


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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #109 on: December 07, 2016, 06:46:44 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on December 07, 2016, 06:35:41 pm
Secondly...unless you're really itching for President Mike Pence...the worst thing you could hope for Trump to do is jump in that 757...

Hmmmmm.....  :pondering:
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #110 on: December 07, 2016, 09:38:19 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on December 07, 2016, 06:46:05 pm
EXACTLY CORRECT.

LOL!

I was thinking more in terms of a Democrat governor with a healthy dose of pragmatism.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #111 on: December 08, 2016, 12:39:55 am »
Quote from: INVAR on December 07, 2016, 06:46:05 pm
EXACTLY CORRECT.


Lay off the Third Reich images - Mod1

Those images were NOT from the Third Reich.

What about all the Obama/Hillary as Hitler memes?  Were those verboten too - or just those that depict the GOP and Trump as fascists?


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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #112 on: December 08, 2016, 12:42:20 am »
Quote from: INVAR on December 08, 2016, 12:39:55 am
Those images were NOT from the Third Reich.

What about all the Obama/Hillary as Hitler memes?  Were those verboten too - or just those that depict the GOP and Trump as fascists?

If fascism comes to America it will come hiding behind Godwin's law.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #113 on: December 08, 2016, 01:17:18 am »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on December 08, 2016, 12:42:20 am
If fascism comes to America it will come hiding behind Godwin's law.

Pretty sure it already has.
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