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Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

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President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« on: December 06, 2016, 03:24:13 pm »

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/806147645689446400


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Gonna be a long 4 years. His gaffes are worse than any Democrat's.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2016, 03:30:37 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 06, 2016, 03:24:13 pm
Gonna be a long 4 years. His gaffes are worse than any Democrat's.

Sigh.  The base price for the plane is $357 million.  No telling what the numerous one-off, high-tech "features" cost, but they're not going to be cheap. 

I guess nobody's going to cut this idiot's thumbs off after all.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2016, 03:37:03 pm »
Quote from: r9etb on December 06, 2016, 03:30:37 pm
Sigh.  The base price for the plane is $357 million.  No telling what the numerous one-off, high-tech "features" cost, but they're not going to be cheap. 

I guess nobody's going to cut this idiot's thumbs off after all.

I think the story is being reported poorly. It didn't say how many planes were being built under this contract. Trump's tweet made it sound like it was one plane for $4 billion. I understand there are electronics and countermeasures that have to be added in, but even at $1 billion a plane, Boeing is profiting mightily.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2016, 03:46:18 pm »
If not Boeing, then which company shall we give the contract to? Airbus?  What other company makes wide-bodied planes capable of performing the task, nowadays?  :shrug:
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2016, 03:59:58 pm »
Quote from: Night Hides Not on December 06, 2016, 03:37:03 pm
I think the story is being reported poorly. It didn't say how many planes were being built under this contract. Trump's tweet made it sound like it was one plane for $4 billion. I understand there are electronics and countermeasures that have to be added in, but even at $1 billion a plane, Boeing is profiting mightily.

They're buying two planes.  I doubt Boeing is "profiting mightily."  Things cost what they cost.  Moreover, if costs are increasing, it's almost certainly because the AF has been changing (adding or subtracting) requirements for the plane.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 04:01:12 pm »
Quote from: Ghost Bear on December 06, 2016, 03:46:18 pm
If not Boeing, then which company shall we give the contract to? Airbus?  What other company makes wide-bodied planes capable of performing the task, nowadays?  :shrug:

The sticking point is that the AF wants the plane to have four engines.  There are only two large planes in production that satisfy that requirement, and one of them is made by Airbus.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2016, 05:36:09 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 06, 2016, 05:23:33 pm

https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/806173724256980993

Most likely the rest of it is from Defense contractors meeting various requirements for the flying command fortress. Computer and communication systems, satellites, EMB defenses, countermeasures, etc. You can't compare AF1 to the price of a normal get nor can you just willy nilly down negotiate away some of the national security requirements.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2016, 05:47:04 pm »
?? So...he's saving some money, why is that such a problem?  Perhaps he plans on traveling around the country using his own Boeing 757.  It has an estimated price tag of $100 million vs. the cost of the new Air Force One with an estimated price tag of over $4 billion!  That's a huge difference.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2016, 05:58:15 pm »
Go to Lockheed Martin and ask them what it would take to convert a C-5 to meet the needs of the office.  While the C5 is not the same as a 747-200, in most fight performance metrics, it is either close or exceeds the 747.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2016, 06:07:21 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on December 06, 2016, 05:47:04 pm
?? So...he's saving some money, why is that such a problem?  Perhaps he plans on traveling around the country using his own Boeing 757.  It has an estimated price tag of $100 million vs. the cost of the new Air Force One with an estimated price tag of over $4 billion!  That's a huge difference.

I think you misunderstand the nature and use of AF1, the nature of the procurement (it's two planes, not one, for example), and the cost of the mission-unique modifications that are being made to make it vastly different from a standard-model 747-8 aircraft.

Trump is once again showing his ignorance.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2016, 06:09:07 pm »
Quote from: Taxcontrol on December 06, 2016, 05:58:15 pm
Go to Lockheed Martin and ask them what it would take to convert a C-5 to meet the needs of the office.  While the C5 is not the same as a 747-200, in most fight performance metrics, it is either close or exceeds the 747.

It probably would cost $10 billion to make a new C-5.  The production line has been closed for decades.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2016, 06:43:34 pm »
Quote from: Ghost Bear on December 06, 2016, 03:46:18 pm
If not Boeing, then which company shall we give the contract to? Airbus?  What other company makes wide-bodied planes capable of performing the task, nowadays?  :shrug:

Maybe he thinks McDonnell-Douglas can give him a better deal.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2016, 06:47:30 pm »
does he really think we have one-man rule in this nation
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2016, 06:47:48 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on December 06, 2016, 05:47:04 pm
?? So...he's saving some money, why is that such a problem?  Perhaps he plans on traveling around the country using his own Boeing 757.  It has an estimated price tag of $100 million vs. the cost of the new Air Force One with an estimated price tag of over $4 billion!  That's a huge difference.

Does his B757 have encrypted secure comms? Military grade GPS and radar systems?  Are the electronics shielded against EMP's?

What about anti missile threat detection or countermeasures?

Shall I continue to point out what goes into the price tag of a military grade AF1 versus a BBJ 757?
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2016, 06:48:44 pm »
Quote from: geronl on December 06, 2016, 06:47:30 pm
does he really think we have one-man rule in this nation

Yes he does.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 06:52:08 pm »
Will someone from the Trump team PLEASE Cancel his Twitter account.   

I'm not at liberty to discuss anything not publically disclosed on this project, but this was sent by Boeing today.

Boeing responds to Trump tweet about Air Force One

Boeing issued a statement Tuesday in response to a tweet by U.S. President-elect Donald Trump suggesting that the U.S. government should cancel its order for a new version of Air Force One.

"We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the president of the United States,” the statement reads. “We look forward to working with the U.S. Air Force on subsequent phases of the program allowing us to deliver the best planes for the president at the best value for the American taxpayer."
 
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2016, 06:52:19 pm »
Quote from: Night Hides Not on December 06, 2016, 03:37:03 pm
I think the story is being reported poorly. It didn't say how many planes were being built under this contract. Trump's tweet made it sound like it was one plane for $4 billion. I understand there are electronics and countermeasures that have to be added in, but even at $1 billion a plane, Boeing is profiting mightily.

The contract likely includes parts, upgrades and maintenance services for many years into the future for both very advanced aircraft
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2016, 06:54:28 pm »
Do we need replacements for the current AF1 fleet? How quickly do they become obsolete, I wonder.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2016, 07:02:59 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 06, 2016, 06:54:28 pm
Do we need replacements for the current AF1 fleet? How quickly do they become obsolete, I wonder.

There have been tremendous leaps in fuel efficiency wing design and electronics since the current AF1 twins came online when Clinton took office.

Gotta remember that before the current 747-200B's AF1 was a pair of almost 40 year old 707's...one of which carried the body of JFK back from Dallas.

The 747-8 currently under development is only similiar to the current plane in body style.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2016, 07:04:24 pm »
Thanks, tx.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 07:06:28 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 06, 2016, 07:04:24 pm
Thanks, tx.

Anytime. I'm sure that @SZonian can fill in any details that I missed.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2016, 07:08:28 pm »
Quote from: NavyCanDo on December 06, 2016, 07:05:46 pm
This is NOT an order for replacement AF1s.    Can we end the misinformation?
Here's how it's being reported by USA Today:

President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday called for the U.S. government to cancel a deal with aircraft manufacturer Boeing for development of a new Air Force One.

The Air Force signed deals with Boeing in January and July to design certain aspects of the new presidential aircraft, including its interior, electrical and power system, and maintenance systems.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office estimated in March that the entire program would cost about $3.2 billion from the 2010 through 2020 fiscal years, including $2 billion for research and development.  ...
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2016, 07:08:40 pm »
Quote from: geronl on December 06, 2016, 06:52:19 pm
The contract likely includes parts, upgrades and maintenance services for many years into the future for both very advanced aircraft

I'm sure you're right, further cementing my opinion that this story has been botched by the media.
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Re: President-elect Trump on his desire to cancel Boeing’s Air Force One order: “We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money”
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2016, 07:08:56 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on December 06, 2016, 06:54:28 pm
Do we need replacements for the current AF1 fleet? How quickly do they become obsolete, I wonder.

30 years

Two very expensive planes, 30-years, parts, upgrades, constant maintenance

Cancel it and force Trump to fly commercial on his overseas jaunts.
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