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Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2016, 03:41:58 PM »
I still think Obama may give her a blanket pardon before he leaves.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 03:46:16 PM »
I still think Obama may give her a blanket pardon before he leaves.

How do you pardon someone who hasn't been indicted?

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2016, 03:50:12 PM »
Anyone who urges that Trump begin his Presidency by embarking on a political vendetta doesn't want the new President to succeed.   

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2016, 03:51:21 PM »
How do you pardon someone who hasn't been indicted?

A presidential pardon doesn't require an indictment or even charges officially having been declared.

Some of our most famous Presidential pardons involved cases where there was no indictment. Ford pardoning Nixon and Carter issuing a blanket pardon to all anti-war protestors. In 1863, Lincoln issued a blanket pardon to all Confederate soldiers.

At that, many Presidential pardons were issued with no indictment involved.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 04:02:04 PM »
I still think Obama may give her a blanket pardon before he leaves.

It's an admission of wrongdoing if Obama issues a pardon and an admission of guilt if she accepts it.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2016, 04:07:21 PM »
It's an admission of wrongdoing if Obama issues a pardon and an admission of guilt if she accepts it.

Not necessarily re the aforementioned Confederate and draft dodger pardons.  It all gets down to how they control the media around it. I can easily see Obama claiming this was to end a 'partisan witch hunt' and the media running with that. Whomever controls the narrative wins on that.

Also, at this point, I don't think Hillary cares. I doubt she'll try to run again.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2016, 04:12:30 PM »
Trump almost never keeps his promises, or even pay his contractors and pollsters.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 04:16:54 PM »
I see no reason for vindictiveness. If Obama doesn't pardon her, I hope Trump doesn't have her prosecuted.

This is consistent with my support of Ford's pardon of Nixon in 1974. I swear, a lot of people back then either wanted Nixon and his wife killed and hung by their heels, as with Mussolini and his girlfriend, or have the entire Nixon family murdered, as with Tsar Nicholas II and his family.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2016, 02:47:43 PM »
Anyone who urges that Trump begin his Presidency by embarking on a political vendetta doesn't want the new President to succeed.   
But Trump beginning his Presidency by immediately reneging on his campaign promises that got him elected will get him success? Why not just admit then that we should expect all his campaign promises to be the same old rhetoric that politicians shovel and never really mean afterall? :shrug:
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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2016, 02:53:30 PM »
I see no reason for vindictiveness. If Obama doesn't pardon her, I hope Trump doesn't have her prosecuted.

This is consistent with my support of Ford's pardon of Nixon in 1974. I swear, a lot of people back then either wanted Nixon and his wife killed and hung by their heels, as with Mussolini and his girlfriend, or have the entire Nixon family murdered, as with Tsar Nicholas II and his family.
My feeling is that an honest DOJ should investigate all the allegations and after they determine if there have been prosecutable offenses a decision be made. I personally want her actions on record, not swept under the carpet and allowing the Clintons to play the innocent victims and keep their fingers meddling in American and world politics. When they are relegated to the ash heaps of hisyory to live as the lepers they are, then I will be satisfied.
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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 02:57:57 PM »
But Trump beginning his Presidency by immediately reneging on his campaign promises that got him elected will get him success? Why not just admit then that we should expect all his campaign promises to be the same old rhetoric that politicians shovel and never really mean afterall? :shrug:

If that's the way you feel, then nothing I can say will make you think different.  But a political vendetta against a vanquished opponent cannot possibly move the country forward, or fix any of the problems that animated Trump's supporters.   It just poisons the well and destroys any goodwill Trump may hope to possess. 

Remember that Obama resisted calls from his partisan base to prosecute Bush administration officials who had approved waterboarding.   Trump should exhibit similar magnanimity here.   
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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 03:01:22 PM »
Does Trump have the ability to indict those whom he chooses to indict?

When did everyone ascribe that power to him?

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2016, 10:49:29 AM »
Hillary Clinton committed extremely serious crimes against the United States.

As POTUS, Donald Trump will have one, and only one, legal power to stop her prosecution. A pardon.
If Trump directs his DOJ to not prosecute Clinton, then Donald Trump will exceed his authority as POTUS and will be no better than Obama.

Assuming Obama doesn't pardon Clinton, Trump has the choice of:
(a) letting the DOJ do its job and prosecute Clinton,
(b) exercising the legal option to pardon Clinton,
(c) exercising the illegal option to force the DOJ to sit on the Clinton prosecution

Choice (b) will not happen.

Some on this board are advocating that Trump engage in Choice (c), for political reasons or to mollify the petulant left.
- Donald Trump is not king and does not have the legal option to decide who can be prosecuted or not.
- Donald Trump does not "owe" the left anything.
- The seriousness of Hillary Clinton's crimes far, far, far, exceed anything that Nixon or Bush did.
- Donald Trump is not in any way responsible for Hillary Clinton's illegal activities. She is entitled to her day in court.
- There is little reason for magnanimity: Scooter Libby.





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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2016, 11:27:21 AM »
Anyone who urges that Trump begin his Presidency by embarking on a political vendetta doesn't want the new President to succeed.   

Ah, but this is precisely the sort of person who thought Trump was the best man for the job.

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2016, 11:57:31 AM »
President elect Trump does not get to indict anyone!  All he can do is appoint people to serve in the Justice Department who will follow the law. If he does that everything fall into place!

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2016, 12:06:07 PM »
President elect Trump does not get to indict anyone!  All he can do is appoint people to serve in the Justice Department who will follow the law. If he does that everything fall into place!

The author of this lamentable screed finally gets around to admitting this, sort of, albeit at a point below where most readers would have stopped reading....

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2016, 12:15:38 PM »
But Trump beginning his Presidency by immediately reneging on his campaign promises that got him elected will get him success? Why not just admit then that we should expect all his campaign promises to be the same old rhetoric that politicians shovel and never really mean afterall? :shrug:


Which is precisely what Trump is, as us Cassandras repeatedly tried to explain during the primaries and the general election. 

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Re: Trump Must Keep His Promise: Indict Hillary Clinton
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2016, 12:23:46 PM »
While I understand the sentiment, I believe that greater damage to the Dem party can be had by going after all those AROUND Hillary.


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