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« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2016, 10:01:29 PM »
I thought Muslims didn't have to be insured because their religion had ruled it gambling or some such. If not, there is an 'equal protection' problem going on.

Well, to a Christian, it could be considered usury before the fact....

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« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2016, 10:12:49 PM »
I thought Muslims didn't have to be insured because their religion had ruled it gambling or some such. If not, there is an 'equal protection' problem going on.

I think moslems are exempt from a number of things like laws and such because they don't meet the requirements or definition of "person".

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« Reply #77 on: November 13, 2016, 01:57:45 AM »
List of things Trump (and Pence) promised to do at beginning of term...

1. Repeal every single Obama executive order.   

http://www.dailypress.com/news/politics/dp-nws-pence-20160920-story.html
     
(He has also pledged more specifically to "eliminate every unconstitutional executive order.")
       
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-speech-clinton-email-corruption-disqualifies-her-from-seeking-preside

2. End the war on coal.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290798-pence-trump-will-end-the-war-on-coal

3. Repeal Obamacare.

 http://www.dailypress.com/news/politics/dp-nws-pence-20160920-story.html

(On Trump's campaign website, he's less bullish, promising only to "ask Congress" on day one to repeal Obamacare immediately.)

4. Begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country." (More specifically, Trump has promised to do this in his "first hour" in office, "day one, before the wall, before anything.")

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-says-on-day-one-he-is-removing-criminal-illegal-immigrants/2016/08/27/a0a546d6-6c98-11e6-91cb-ecb5418830e9_video.html

5. Begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-touts-technology-plan-for-border-wall-755544643686

6. Meet with Homeland Security officials and generals to begin securing the southern border.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=0

7. Notify all countries that refuse to take back dangerous illegal immigrants who have committed crimes in this country that they will lose access to our visa programs if they continue to do so.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-speech-clinton-email-corruption-disqualifies-her-from-seeking-preside

8. Convene his top generals and inform them they have 30 days to come up with a plan to stop ISIS.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-isil-isis-227807

9. Fix the Department of Veterans Affairs.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/politics/dp-nws-pence-20160920-story.html

10. Call the heads of major companies who are moving operations oversea to inform them that they'll face 35 percent tariffs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=0

11. Contact countries and say…'Folks, we love protecting you, we want to continue to protect you but you're not living up to the bargain'…They're not paying what they're supposed to be paying—which is very little, by the way.

https://soundcloud.com/rightwingwatch/trump-on-day-one

12. Defend the unborn.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/pence-trump-administration-will-begin-fight-against-abortion-rights-day-one

13. Withdraw from TPP

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/28/donald-trump-gets-to-specifics-during-trade-speech/

14. Start taking care of our…military.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/02/24/preview-gop-debate-one-day-to-go-mattingly-lead-dnt.cnn

15. Suspend Syrian refugee resettlement.

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-news/us-presidential-elections-2016-if-elected-it-would-be-busy-first-day-at-white-house-donald-trump-3017760/

16. Notify our NAFTA partners of my intention to renegotiate the deal.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-speech-clinton-email-corruption-disqualifies-her-from-seeking-preside

17. Designate China as a currency manipulator.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

18. Direct every agency in government to begin identifying all wasteful job-killing regulations, and they are going to be removed.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-speech-clinton-email-corruption-disqualifies-her-from-seeking-preside

19. Get rid of gun-free zones [in] schools" and "military bases"—which would require repealing a 25-year-old federal law. ("My first day, it gets signed, okay? My first day. There's no more gun-free zones."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/08/donald-trump-i-will-get-rid-of-gun-free-zones-on-schools/

20. Ask Congress to pass 'Kate's Law'—named for Kate Steinle—to ensure that criminal aliens convicted of illegal reentry receive strong mandatory minimum sentences.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/31/donald-trump-throws-down-in-phoenix-champions-10-step-immigration-reform-plan/

21. Learn the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-on-the-day-he-took-the-pledge/
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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #78 on: November 13, 2016, 03:04:27 AM »
What about upping the ethanol requirement in gasoline? Wasn't that promise in Iowa?

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« Reply #79 on: November 13, 2016, 08:09:20 AM »
What about upping the ethanol requirement in gasoline? Wasn't that promise in Iowa?

As Joe said up thread. Anything past the blend wall will damage engines. That is 10%. Unless they engineer engines that can handle higher ethanol percentages upping the amount of said in gasoline is a no go. Stations around here offer gas with no ethanol at a higher price. I get better mileage using gas with no ethanol so there is a double plus with that and longer engine life.

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« Reply #80 on: November 13, 2016, 11:41:56 AM »
What about upping the ethanol requirement in gasoline? Wasn't that promise in Iowa?

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IF that promise was made,it needs to be broken. The whole ethanol program is nothing but a welfare program for large corporate farms.
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« Reply #81 on: November 13, 2016, 01:03:38 PM »
Only one explanation. Collusion - AKA racketeering.

Nope.

It could also be the benefit of volume pricing.
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« Reply #82 on: November 13, 2016, 01:13:52 PM »
Nope.

It could also be the benefit of volume pricing.
Run hospital supply chains like WalMart does inventory. Major cost reduction...
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« Reply #83 on: November 13, 2016, 01:41:11 PM »
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Oh the hell you say... That's precisely the point! If the state owned the land, OUR reps down in Helena, that WE elect, would have the say.

Then those pinheaded bunnyhuggers in California and New York wouldn't have a damn bit of say in any of it.

The Federal gvt is not supposed to own it, and because they do, people in DC have more power over it than the people who live here. That's a damnable curse.
If you think about it, Having people from DC control land in Western Montana makes as much sense as having the folks over in Livingston deciding where to put the traffic signs in New York City.
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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #84 on: November 13, 2016, 02:17:38 PM »
I get better mileage using gas with no ethanol so there is a double plus with that and longer engine life.

Yep. Conoco Premium... All I buy, for everything from the 2-stroke stuff all the way up. Costs more per gallon, but it goes farther too - Motors (especially the ones I build) like octane. Ethanol, not so much
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« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2016, 02:28:33 PM »
If you think about it, Having people from DC control land in Western Montana makes as much sense as having the folks over in Livingston deciding where to put the traffic signs in New York City.

I done the same thing when I was a kid... Bought that whole 'save the alligators from extinction' shtick, hook, line, and sinker... Shot my fool mouth off many a time...

Till I met a Cajun boy who let me know you can't hardly swing a dead cat without a gator trying to take your leg off... And one of those pookah-shell rednecks from down in the Glades that said exactly the same thing...

Then I compared that to what they were sayin about griz being near extinct - Right here in NW Montana - which I knew to be an outright lie... If you want to find griz right here, it ain't like it's hard to do...

That right there is where I learned to keep my nose out of other folks' business state/region-wise.

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« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2016, 03:13:56 PM »
I done the same thing when I was a kid... Bought that whole 'save the alligators from extinction' shtick, hook, line, and sinker... Shot my fool mouth off many a time...

Till I met a Cajun boy who let me know you can't hardly swing a dead cat without a gator trying to take your leg off... And one of those pookah-shell rednecks from down in the Glades that said exactly the same thing...

Then I compared that to what they were sayin about griz being near extinct - Right here in NW Montana - which I knew to be an outright lie... If you want to find griz right here, it ain't like it's hard to do...

That right there is where I learned to keep my nose out of other folks' business state/region-wise.
I haven't seen the commercial lately, but there was one with some actress joining one of those critter saver groups in America to stop Canadian seal hunts. Never did understand why she didn't join a Canadian outfit. :pondering:

People know their own back yards best, especially those who work in them.
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« Reply #87 on: November 13, 2016, 03:52:28 PM »
I haven't seen the commercial lately, but there was one with some actress joining one of those critter saver groups in America to stop Canadian seal hunts. Never did understand why she didn't join a Canadian outfit. :pondering:

People know their own back yards best, especially those who work in them.

They're doing the same damn thing again with wolves - They're hauling in McKenzie River Gray wolves, and protecting them here... I've been screaming at the top of my voice that what they're going to wind up with is the decimation of the native Timber Wolf, that's been here all the way along.

I've been fond of the timber wolf my whole life... any time I cut their sign, I'd always go try to find them... Beautiful animals. small family packs... ghosts on the land. You'll never see one if you don't have serious skills.
They're taller than a standard gray... more gangley... loose jointed.... Longer in the leg. See Canis lupus irremotus...

At the time of the wolf recovery act, the Rocky Mountain Timber Wolf was not a recognized subspecies of the Gray - So they hauled in the McKenzies and doomed the native wolf.

Sonsabiches. No sense listening to folks that live here.

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« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2016, 05:05:40 PM »
They're doing the same damn thing again with wolves - They're hauling in McKenzie River Gray wolves, and protecting them here... I've been screaming at the top of my voice that what they're going to wind up with is the decimation of the native Timber Wolf, that's been here all the way along.

I've been fond of the timber wolf my whole life... any time I cut their sign, I'd always go try to find them... Beautiful animals. small family packs... ghosts on the land. You'll never see one if you don't have serious skills.
They're taller than a standard gray... more gangley... loose jointed.... Longer in the leg. See Canis lupus irremotus...

At the time of the wolf recovery act, the Rocky Mountain Timber Wolf was not a recognized subspecies of the Gray - So they hauled in the McKenzies and doomed the native wolf.

Sonsabiches. No sense listening to folks that live here.
I have talked with folks from out your way a few years ago. They said three 's' was already in effect, even if that was a waste of a good pelt. Those imported wolves were tearing into livestock and hunting in packs as large as 20 or more, sometimes killing critters and leaving them lay. I'm pretty sure that is what has seriously reduced the Yellowstone elk herd, and I recall seeing video of that sort of activity since then. For some reason, people don't think they will view isolated hunters, hikers, or for that matter most anyone, as just more meat that walks a little different.
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How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!

And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses. Nehemiah 4:14 (KJV)

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« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2016, 05:13:58 PM »
I have talked with folks from out your way a few years ago. They said three 's' was already in effect, even if that was a waste of a good pelt. Those imported wolves were tearing into livestock and hunting in packs as large as 20 or more, sometimes killing critters and leaving them lay. I'm pretty sure that is what has seriously reduced the Yellowstone elk herd, and I recall seeing video of that sort of activity since then. For some reason, people don't think they will view isolated hunters, hikers, or for that matter most anyone, as just more meat that walks a little different.

You got to fish for these new wolves. My boss' BIL hit one coming back to Idaho from Montana last winter. Said the pack finished it off before he got turned around and went back. I should shut up now.

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« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2016, 05:22:40 PM »
You got to fish for these new wolves. My boss' BIL hit one coming back to Idaho from Montana last winter. Said the pack finished it off before he got turned around and went back. I should shut up now.
Just have him get all the DNA off the vehicle, maybe go smear some roadkill deer in the bent up bits...
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« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2016, 06:01:04 PM »
If you think about it, Having people from DC control land in Western Montana makes as much sense as having the folks over in Livingston deciding where to put the traffic signs in New York City.

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I'd sure like to be in charge of traffic signs in NYC. Every exit from the city would be covered with STOP signs.
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« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2016, 06:02:44 PM »
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I'd sure like to be in charge of traffic signs in NYC. Every exit from the city would be covered with STOP signs.

Would that be pay as you go?

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« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2016, 06:48:51 PM »
Would that be pay as you go?

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I guess that theoretically it would be possible for someone to pay me enough to let them escape NYC and pollute America,but they had better be showing up in a BIG truck full of cash.
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« Reply #94 on: November 19, 2016, 11:48:50 PM »
I done the same thing when I was a kid... Bought that whole 'save the alligators from extinction' shtick, hook, line, and sinker... Shot my fool mouth off many a time...

Till I met a Cajun boy who let me know you can't hardly swing a dead cat without a gator trying to take your leg off... And one of those pookah-shell rednecks from down in the Glades that said exactly the same thing...

Then I compared that to what they were sayin about griz being near extinct - Right here in NW Montana - which I knew to be an outright lie... If you want to find griz right here, it ain't like it's hard to do...

That right there is where I learned to keep my nose out of other folks' business state/region-wise.
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Then about ten years ago I had some British in-laws over for a visit and a tour of the west. They were stunned at how many trees there are in America compared to Britain. And having been to Britain I didn't notice a severe shortage of trees.
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« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2016, 05:30:30 PM »
Then about ten years ago I had some British in-laws over for a visit and a tour of the west. They were stunned at how many trees there are in America compared to Britain. And having been to Britain I didn't notice a severe shortage of trees.

See, now this is just the same thing as what I did to those swamp boys about their gators.

I don't know where y'all are from, but the logging industry here in the Rockies is all but gone... Regulated out of business. And it was those loggers and their equipment that was the bulwark against forest fires - the industry worked alongside of the Forest Service in a partnership in that regard. Forest Service has air-power, smoke jumpers, and front-line firefighters, but they can't possibly front the sheer manpower and machinery the logging industry has in the field as a natural part of typical operations.

If you want a firebreak, the difference between what firefighters alone can do, when compared to those firefighters assisted  by a couple D9/D8 cats, a handful of D6 cats, a half dozen skidders,  20 sawyers, and as many knot-bumpers and diggers as you care to have - All specifically trained to do those exact jobs as part of their every day lives and familial/cultural tradition - There really is no comparison at all.

And the scope of things... I don't think folks have any idea how big it is out here... We routinely lose two-hundred and fifty-thousand acres to fire every summer. That's a quarter million acres, now... And you can't really even tell it even happened unless you get up close and personal. Logging, by comparison, is a pittance.

Furthermore, I don't think folks know how quickly it all comes back - I worked road building for a big cut thirty years ago. If you were to go up through that land today, I would defy you to even find evidence at all that it had ever been cut... In fact, it is more than ready to be logged again, and judging by the thick brush up in there, if it isn't logged soon, it'll all burn down anyway.

But it's all gated off now - can't hardy get off the main road. The big cats are all but gone, logging trucks have been decimated. trying to find public land where you can take a four-wheeler or a snow machine is getting very scarce. and yes, it is liberal policies regulating it all.

But it's dumbasses like me that gave them that power. What I did to the Cajuns with those gators, someone else is doing to me. Between locked-out logging, griz protection, wolf protection, eagle flyways, wetland protection and etcetera-ad-infinitum, the king's land is no longer legal for me to use, and it's only getting worse. Soon enough they'll find a reason to ban horses, and even walking in.

What it comes down to is staying out of other people's business - as is always the best course toward liberty - but more on a regional basis... staying out of all y'all's business. That's the beauty of state sovereignty. Me and mine ain't got any business messin with the Big Swamp, rightly so... Folks that live in the swamp know better than we do... And the same thing the other way around.

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« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2016, 06:56:32 PM »
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See, now this is just the same thing as what I did to those swamp boys about their gators.

I don't know where y'all are from, but the logging industry here in the Rockies is all but gone... Regulated out of business. And it was those loggers and their equipment that was the bulwark against forest fires - the industry worked alongside of the Forest Service in a partnership in that regard. Forest Service has air-power, smoke jumpers, and front-line firefighters, but they can't possibly front the sheer manpower and machinery the logging industry has in the field as a natural part of typical operations.


Exactly why I said this in my reply #8 this thread.
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I want to see more trees die, as humanely as possible, of course. With the managed care of both industry and state government.

Being a cabinetmaker/carpenter I know about this. I cheer when another tree gets killed. My boss' BIL still uses his original business name Eagle Rock Timber. Except now they are a general contractor. They haven't cut any timber in a LONG time.

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« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2016, 07:06:46 PM »
n fact, it is more than ready to be logged again, and judging by the thick brush up in there, if it isn't logged soon, it'll all burn down anyway.

That's the rub. There is absolutely no science behind the govt stance to keep the forests from being logged. And if it doesn't burn, it becomes diseased from overgrowth. It's in no way sound forest management to let it grow up like that.
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« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2016, 07:48:44 PM »
Exactly why I said this in my reply #8 this thread.
Being a cabinetmaker/carpenter I know about this. I cheer when another tree gets killed. My boss' BIL still uses his original business name Eagle Rock Timber. Except now they are a general contractor. They haven't cut any timber in a LONG time.

Yep, all our mills are pretty much gone.... There's still the plywood plant... I think there's still a lumber mill up in Libby, but most of them are gone... Especially all the jippo mills, the little family owned jobs that you could go get rough-sawn from, for pennies on the dollar.

The tie mills and green-treat mills are all gone for sure - super-fund sites.

To add insult to injury, most of the lumber in the yards around here is from Canuck mills up in Alberta.
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« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2016, 07:55:35 PM »
That's the rub. There is absolutely no science behind the govt stance to keep the forests from being logged. And if it doesn't burn, it becomes diseased from overgrowth. It's in no way sound forest management to let it grow up like that.

It does go a bit their way - Tamarack need fire to seed, but offset that by the millions of acres that are beetle-killed - premium blue-pine lumber by the way - That could have been controlled by logging the infestations, and the management style is stunningly out of order. The north fork of the Flathead River largely burned down because of the dead standing beetle-killed trees. All that premium, easy-access lumber, up in smoke. Cross that up with air quality concerns sometime.


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