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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #100 on: November 21, 2016, 07:55:53 AM »
It does go a bit their way - Tamarack need fire to seed, but offset that by the millions of acres that are beetle-killed - premium blue-pine lumber by the way - That could have been controlled by logging the infestations, and the management style is stunningly out of order. The north fork of the Flathead River largely burned down because of the dead standing beetle-killed trees. All that premium, easy-access lumber, up in smoke. Cross that up with air quality concerns sometime.

There was a political event recently which might address and ameliorate this in time.
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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2016, 10:58:11 AM »
There was a political event recently which might address and ameliorate this in time.

I find that to be wholly unbelievable.

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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #102 on: November 21, 2016, 11:04:20 AM »
I find that to be wholly unbelievable.

Why? One of the platforms of the Republican party this year was reform (or God-willing the complete eradication) of the EPA. That would go part and parcel with that endeavor.

Another incidentally would be an end to the odious handouts of billions of tax dollars to rich, politically powerful multinational and private special interests embodied in the insanely-wasteful pork-barrel government agricultural subsidy programs administrated by both Dept. of Interior and other federal agencies, to which the president elect is not beholden because he did not accept significant contributions from them.

Sarah Palin is reportedly one of those who is being considered for Dept. of Interior and she is also known for her proclivity to feisty refusal to tow the corporate line or to bow to pressure from lobbyists (Gov. Palin enacted significant reforms in Alaska despite pressure from both of those groups). 

Of course, the PE has an uneven history on this in regard to the ethanol industry, so you certainly have legitimate cause for concern (as does every genuine conservative).

Incidentally, ever read, "A Walk in the Woods"? Even though the movie made about it was a farce (one of the worst movies of its time according to Rotten Tomatoes) it documents the long list of things the federal government does wrong and the very few things it does right in regard to environmental safeguarding.

Not the least of those was something very similar to this forest mismanagement issue - when the brilliant feds tried to eradicate an encroaching species of fish by DELIBERATELY POISONING AN ENTIRE RIVER, which ended up wiping out EVERY SPECIES EXCEPT THE ONE THEY TARGETED.
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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2016, 12:03:35 PM »
Why? One of the platforms of the Republican party this year was reform (or God-willing the complete eradication) of the EPA. That would go part and parcel with that endeavor.

Another incidentally would be an end to the odious handouts of billions of tax dollars to rich, politically powerful multinational and private special interests embodied in the insanely-wasteful pork-barrel government agricultural subsidy programs administrated by both Dept. of Interior and other federal agencies, to which the president elect is not beholden because he did not accept significant contributions from them.

Sarah Palin is reportedly one of those who is being considered for Dept. of Interior and she is also known for her proclivity to feisty refusal to tow the corporate line or to bow to pressure from lobbyists (Gov. Palin enacted significant reforms in Alaska despite pressure from both of those groups). 

Of course, the PE has an uneven history on this in regard to the ethanol industry, so you certainly have legitimate cause for concern (as does every genuine conservative).

Incidentally, ever read, "A Walk in the Woods"? Even though the movie made about it was a farce (one of the worst movies of its time according to Rotten Tomatoes) it documents the long list of things the federal government does wrong and the very few things it does right in regard to environmental safeguarding.

Not the least of those was something very similar to this forest mismanagement issue - when the brilliant feds tried to eradicate an encroaching species of fish by DELIBERATELY POISONING AN ENTIRE RIVER, which ended up wiping out EVERY SPECIES EXCEPT THE ONE THEY TARGETED.
Considering the Feds (Corps of Engineers) killed the estuary I grew up on, and actively prevent the restoration of that ecosystem, by law, I have absolutely no faith in Federal Programs to "fix" anything as far as the environment goes. That was not the river of which you speak, but a tidewater estuary in the late 1960s. Leave management of local ecosystems to the people who live there, who derive their living from the land. They will have a vested interest in those resources and are far more likely to engage in sound practices which will keep those resources viable. Get the Government out.
And yes, the PE's comments in Iowa supporting the use of the EPA ..."to the fullest extent of the law", were the first of many reasons I could not support him as a candidate.
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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #104 on: November 21, 2016, 12:06:58 PM »
Considering the Feds (Corps of Engineers) killed the estuary I grew up on, and actively prevent the restoration of that ecosystem, by law, I have absolutely no faith in Federal Programs to "fix" anything as far as the environment goes. That was not the river of which you speak, but a tidewater estuary in the late 1960s. Leave management of local ecosystems to the people who live there, who derive their living from the land. They will have a vested interest in those resources and are far more likely to engage in sound practices which will keep those resources viable. Get the Government out.
And yes, the PE's comments in Iowa supporting the use of the EPA ..."to the fullest extent of the law", were the first of many reasons I could not support him as a candidate.

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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #105 on: November 21, 2016, 08:12:25 PM »
Why? One of the platforms of the Republican party this year was reform (or God-willing the complete eradication) of the EPA. That would go part and parcel with that endeavor.

@LateForLunch

I'm late to the party... @Bigun  and @Smokin Joe already said my piece.
The Republican party hasn't used it's platform for anything other than election year bullsh*t for so long that I can hardly remember when it did. Reagan, maybe... the 94 congress, perhaps...

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Not the least of those was something very similar to this forest mismanagement issue - when the brilliant feds tried to eradicate an encroaching species of fish by DELIBERATELY POISONING AN ENTIRE RIVER, which ended up wiping out EVERY SPECIES EXCEPT THE ONE THEY TARGETED.

Oh they've done it over and over around here.

The Mycinae shrimp they purposefully added to the Flathead drainage wiped out the salmon run... They used to run so thick in the river you could dang near walk across it on their backs... So many the river turned color where they were... As a lad, I can remember many a time filling two 5 gallon buckets, packed full, with snagged salmon.

Now snagging is illegal almost anywhere around here, and you can't even tell the salmon are in the river when they come...


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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2017, 04:20:49 AM »
No changes, just a 100 days bump.
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Re: Measuring the Future
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2017, 03:24:16 AM »
No changes, just a 100 days bump.



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