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This election is unlike any we have seen before in our lifetime.  A record number of people today feel politically homeless. The two party system is corrupt and broken, we need a new choice. There is one candidate for President who can be that choice, Libertarian Gary Johnson. 

The Libertarian party represents the best of the Republican party’s philosophies without the deep cronyism and corruption.  Ronald Reagan once said “the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism”.

Gary Johnson had an amazing track record as governor of New Mexico, where he was elected twice as a Republican in a heavily Democratic state.  Johnson is best known for resisting the temptation to solve every problem with government spending and regulation, having vetoed more than 750 bills during his time in office — probably more than all other governors combined. He also cut taxes 14 times,  never raising them. He balanced the state’s budget, and left New Mexico with a billion-dollar surplus.  Governor Johnson did that for New Mexico. Imagine what he can do for America.

Johnson provides  balance to the key issues of our time.

On immigration, the Democrats are promising a welfare state and Republicans a police state. Johnson’s plan eliminates the welfare and benefit magnet that has turned the immigration system into a hotbed of criminality. Johnson’s plan will make the immigration system once again, one that is beneficial to our citizens, not a drain on them.

On the economy and healthcare, Johnson’s plan is simple. Unleash the power of the free market and the choice of the people to grow the economy like a fertile garden and not let the government exploit it for their own politically connected friends.

On national defense, Johnson wants to return the military to its rightful Constitutional role, as defenders of the Republic and the liberty of the citizens. We will no longer send our sons and daughters on questionable missions around the world, playing policeman on conflicts that do not impact our national security. We will fulfill the contract we have with our veterans to take care of them as they have taken care of our nation, not push them around as political pawn while they wait in long bureaucratic lines for the simplest of service.

On abortion Johnson wants to return the choice to the citizens, not left to the infighting of political elitists who talk a good game, but never accomplish anything. Hillary is not sure if a baby has Constitutional rights and Trump can't decide from one day or another what he believes, Johnson is the only one who actually signed laws reducing abortions in his state and reduced spending on abortions. Abortions actually can be reduced if you stop waiting for bureaucrats in DC to make the choice for you and return the power to the people at the State level.

On marriage, Johnson wants to give that private contract back to the people. You should not need the government’s blessing to be married, nor should the government replace your personal faith as arbiter of the church’s sacraments.

Johnson’s Libertarian platform is simple, maximize your personal liberty and reduce government interference in your lives. This is in stark contrast to the Republicans and Democrats both offering different flavors of big government, authoritarian solutions that do little more than further erode our freedoms and our nation.

There is a choice. You do not need to hold your nose or compromise your values. Vote Gary Johnson for President and tell the corrupt Republican/Democrat uniparty that you will no longer accept their games.




« Last Edit: November 07, 2016, 02:48:29 am by AbaraXas »

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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 01:35:20 pm »
Since I have been considering penning something similar today (and for the past few weeks), I will eschew that and add this:

If you truly don't believe Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump are fit for the office of the Presidency, then any attack from the Trump camp about "getting Hillary elected" doesn't matter. The Trump camp is simply asking us to trade one unfit candidate for another, possibly more dangerous, one, solely because 1) he's a Republican, and 2) he says things even though they run counter to what he's said and done before and counter to what we believe. Besides, so what? If Hillary Clinton does get elected because we refused to be browbeat into submission, we've already lived through eight years of Obama, and Hillary LOST to him. Hillary's weaker, more damaged, and has far less of a mandate. If she's anything like her husband, with a Republican Congress she can be kept in check. With Trump as titular head of the GOP, a Republican House will do his bidding quickly.

As Abaraxas said, Johnson has a record of governance in his two terms as governor of New Mexico (which, unlike a certain Trump-supporting fallen superstar, he did not quit). It was OK—maybe not a conservative's dream, but it was respectable. If that is the record on which we're going, a Johnson Presidency will at least buy us time. If the election comes down to Trump, Clinton or Johnson, I think most of us could live with Johnson better than Trump or Clinton.

The likelihood that Johnson will win, of course, is quite narrow. His best hope is in picking off electoral votes. His high point was in New Mexico, where last month he was polling upward of 25%, not far behind Evan McMullin's Utah polling, which showed him at 30%. However, it's my firm belief that eventually we are going to need to move on, and that the Republican Party is dying a slow, Federalist-style death. To prepare for that, we need to have a replacement ready. With the younger generation's rejection of social morality, the Libertarians, who to their credit have built the political framework needed to be able to compete in a national election, would make natural allies for the conservative movement, just as many of them were during the Tea Party movement. They would need to be kept honest, and remember that there is a time and a place for pragmatism, things that past leaders in the party haven't embraced. Even if Johnson isn't within striking distance in most states, there are other benefits a party can gain from a strong poll showing.

My one caveat is in Utah, where I would recommend voting McMullin, simply because we need to pool as many third-party votes together as we can. Unchecked, the two-party system is on its way to a one-party system if we don't change course.
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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2016, 01:52:04 pm »
Too bad there aren't actually any libertarians on the ticket.

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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 03:01:49 pm »
With all due respect to the posters above( and that is great), actually this election is exactly like every other presidential election through the last four centuries of American history (before someone complains that the nation is not four hundred years old, remember that we have had presidential elections from the late 1700s through today, in four different centuries).

They are exactly the same because the only thing that takes place is that every citizen has been vested with an equal fractional bit of voltage which will activate one circuit or another. Every vote that does not give voltage to the circuit of a candidate who can win goes to ground.

The myth that there is some additional dimension to voting is a contrived argument intended purely to provide reasoning which supports denying a vote to a candidate the principle hates. A refusal to select from one of the viable candidates has no material significance (apart from a personal one in regard to how the voter may feel emotionally) as anything other than a tacit vote for the winner.

The preposterous idea that a third party candidate could win if the vote were sent to the House has taken up urban legend status but that process is absolutely unfeasible, because it is utterly unthinkable that the House would install anyone but Donald Trump as president if they had the choice, even if a third party candidate were somehow able to win Utah and toss the election to a tie and the House of Representatives for decision.

The reason is that the constituents in the representative's states who voted for Trump would be very upset if their representative installed anyone else, so voting for that (it is not secret ballot) would put their reelection chances at severe peril of failure - so it's not going to happen.
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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2016, 03:05:18 pm »
Sorry but either Hillary or Trump will be elected president. Stopping Hillary is to important to throw away a vote on the LP.

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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2016, 03:16:09 pm »
Too bad there aren't actually any libertarians on the ticket.

I don't think there is anyone with a pulse on that ticket. Johnson fits the textbook definition of brain dead.

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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2016, 03:26:32 pm »
The sad truth is ... Hillary Clinton OR Donald Trump will be elected.  Every other choice won't change that fact during this election cycle.
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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2016, 03:32:08 pm »
I don't think there is anyone with a pulse on that ticket. Johnson fits the textbook definition of brain dead.


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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2016, 03:41:08 pm »
I don't think there is anyone with a pulse on that ticket. Johnson fits the textbook definition of brain dead.

Brain dead is looking pretty good about now...and a marked improvement compared to the top 10-200's on their respective tickets .

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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2016, 03:51:26 pm »
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   There is a choice. You do not need to hold your nose or compromise your values. Vote Gary Johnson for President and tell the corrupt Republican/Democrat uniparty that you will no longer accept their games.

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Re: Why Conservatives Should Consider the Libertarian Ticket This Year
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