'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan

Just how freaking old are you that you can call a generation of people now eligible for  Social Security "The Younger Generation"? Younger than what,dirt?

BTW,I have guns also.

I'm saying that the last three generations, from the Boomers to the Millenials - when they were in their teens and twenties - have pretty much been full of crap. Not all, but most.

That includes my generation. I grew up with alot of those type of asshats. It wasn't that they didn't like Jesus people, they didn't like anything to do with religion, faith, morality, or goodness. Mostly because they were drinking, drugging, and whoring around when they should have been getting up off their lazy worthless asses and trying to make a future for themselves instead of dragging everyone down in the gutter.

My point is, too often people that don't like and rebel against 'Jesus people' are that way because they themselves are little fascists that want the world their way. They are more than happy to enforce their morality on the rest of the world just as much as the 'Jesus people'. If there's one thing I've learned in life is that rebellion and fascism are two sides of the same coin.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm saying that the last three generations, from the Boomers to the Millenials - when they were in their teens and twenties - have pretty much been full of crap. Not all, but most.

That includes my generation. I grew up with alot of those type of asshats. It wasn't that they didn't like Jesus people, they didn't like anything to do with religion, faith, morality, or goodness. Mostly because they were drinking, drugging, and whoring around when they should have been getting up off their lazy worthless asses and trying to make a future for themselves instead of dragging everyone down in the gutter.

My point is, too often people that don't like and rebel against 'Jesus people' are that way because they themselves are little fascists that want the world their way. They are more than happy to enforce their morality on the rest of the world just as much as the 'Jesus people'. If there's one thing I've learned in life is that rebellion and fascism are two sides of the same coin.

Not all of us care if two people of the same sex want to get married. And not all of us are obsessed with abortion.


Two issues I just do not care about.

[Free Vulcan]

Not all of us care if two people of the same sex want to get married. And not all of us are obsessed with abortion.


Two issues I just do not care about.

And neither do I until the homos and transgenders tell me I must cater to their marriages, tell my church that they must open their restrooms to them and perform their wedding services, or that they can have sex in public, while that I can't disagree publicly with their morality.

Or push their crap on little elementary kids in school, tell kids they can be different genders or gay, or have 14 y/o minor girls get abortions without parental consent. Or try to excuse pedophelia, or pick your poison.

Then it becomes our business. Then it's over the line and in your face, and that's what liberals do. They aren't libertarians, they are theocrats, and they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever stop until everyone agrees with them, has their beliefs, and lives exactly how they're told.

I learned that lesson long ago in a small little crap blue collar union Democrat town. Sometimes their hate for you and your beliefs is not because of something you did to them, but because of something you won't let them do to you.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And neither do I until the homos and transgenders tell me I must cater to their marriages, tell my church that they must open their restrooms to them and perform their wedding services, or that they can have sex in public, while that I can't disagree publicly with their morality.

Or push their crap on kids in school, tell kids they can be different genders or gay, or have 14 y/o minor girls get abortions without parental consent. Or try to excuse pedophelia, or pick your poison.

Then it becomes our business. Then it's over the line and in your face, and that's what liberals do. They aren't libertarians, they are theocrats, and they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever stop until everyone agrees with them, has their beliefs, and lives exactly how they're told.

I learned that lesson long ago in a small little crap blue collar Democrat town. Sometimes their hate for you and your beliefs is not because of something you did to them, but because of something you won't let them do to you.

Ok, granted. But the anti-gay stuff on FR was a little over the top as to be ridiculous.


And I'm tired of hearing about abortion.

[Free Vulcan]

Ok, granted. But the anti-gay stuff on FR was a little over the top as to be ridiculous.


And I'm tired of hearing about abortion.

In some respects I see your point. Abortion ain't gonna matter if people don't have jobs and can't eat, which is where we are headed if we don't get things like the debt under control fast.

And that might have worked well if liberals had left abortion as a states rights thing. Or at least compromised, left it to science and cut it off at provable viability. Now they're cool with infanticide and aborting a baby as it's being born, and even after.

They're cool with that because it's just a stepping stone to population control and forced abortion, meaning once again they are up in your face, because they never ever stop.

[geronl]

Personally I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves conservative would watch the crap.

If it offends, just turn it off.

I don't watch any TV days. Heck I haven't even checked out Pookie Toons in more than a month.

[musiclady]

You may like those movies, but the public tired of them after 20 years of saccharine fluff. I don't have a problem with a ratings system to know what you are about to see, but censorship is a loser whenever it is enacted.

I understand your position, Frank, but if it weren't for "20 years of saccharine fluff" some of us..... many of us........ would have missed out on some absolutely fantastic entertainment.  (Fred Astaire wouldn't even kiss an actress in a movie because he was married.  Do you think he'd have been a star if dirty dancing were the norm in the 30's?)

I don't agree with all the restrictions, obviously (putting Lucy and Desi in twin beds was silly), but without those self-imposed codes, the lousy stuff would have gotten lousier sooner, and those of us who believe in clean entertainment would have been out to sea.

I oppose outside censorship, but I firmly agree on self control and self censorship of responsible people.

Those of us who don't like the filth aren't that small a number.  Good G/PG rated movies do super well with the public because there are a lot of us who just don't go to most movies because of the offensiveness of so many.  Even movies that we enjoy have language, sex and violence that we'd rather not have to see.

Again....... if Hollywood hadn't self-censored, the movie industry might have died on the vine because in the 30's the average person lived by a moral code and didn't want to see the kind of garbage that's out there now.  There are fewer of us now, but we're not that small a number.

There would have been far fewer people going to movies (and less money for the moguls) if they hadn't put on the brakes on after the late 20's and early 30's, and I, for one, am very glad it happened.

And I don't think I'm alone in that view.

[geronl]

You have to remember that some "conservatives" don't care about perversions, they don't even care if sodomy is part of the school curriculum as long as "it doesn't affect them"...

Of course it affects you. Everything you watch affects you and your morals. You start seeing degeneracy as "normal" and even start mocking others as "prudes" and "behind the times" for not embracing the latest perversions.

They will even say they don't care about the wholesale slaughter of babies, they probably think its worth the price to keep the perversions going.

But they will claim to be "conservatives"....

[thackney]

Personally I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves conservative would watch the crap.

If it offends, just turn it off.

I don't watch any TV days. Heck I haven't even checked out Pookie Toons in more than a month.

Wanting limited government has little to do with being entertained by apocalypse sci-fi.

[musiclady]

You have to remember that some "conservatives" don't care about perversions, they don't even care if sodomy is part of the school curriculum as long as "it doesn't affect them"...

Of course it affects you. Everything you watch affects you and your morals. You start seeing degeneracy as "normal" and even start mocking others as "prudes" and "behind the times" for not embracing the latest perversions.

They will even say they don't care about the wholesale slaughter of babies, they probably think its worth the price to keep the perversions going.

But they will claim to be "conservatives"....

Excellent observations.  I agree.

[mirraflake]

Of course it affects you. Everything you watch affects you and your morals. You start seeing degeneracy as "normal" and even start mocking others as "prudes" and "behind the times" for not embracing the latest perversions.

Been checking out Playboy, Hustler and Penthouse since I was 12 or 13 years old, been to plenty of strip clubs in college and a few years out, I was dragged against my will to a strip club night before my wedding lol -my wife knew about it and gave me a handful of ones....still check out internet porn every so often. I'm honest.

My brothers and close friends about the same..  we got it out of our system while we were younger.

Non of us ever divorced-same for my groomsman, still married to my original wife. Don't cheat. Don't do drugs or drink. My wife knows where to find me, in the garage very night working on my muscle cars.

My point is it's  always the ones who say they don't do this stuff who have the hidden lives. cheaters, child molestors, turn gay.

The people I know who were goody two shoes are the ones who always have a mid life crisis and feel they need to go out a sow their wild oats at age 50.

My wife had a convo with one of her friends a few years back.. friend  was married to the first guy she dated right out of HS> She told my wife "Oh I should have dated more, had more fun, went to parties, I've only had sex with my husband" ..6 months later she was separated. My wife told that night what was going to happen.

@geronl

[geronl]

My brothers and close friends about the same..  we got it out of our system while we were younger.

and now you back a man who says his own daughter is a "nice piece of @$$"

check mate

[chae]

@mirraflake

My ex-best friend was a totally goody-two-shoes all her life.   Then last year, she up and divorces her husband, screws him out of some cash and then uses that money to go to Albania and marry some guy she met online who can't come here because he can't get a passport and he's not allowed into America anyway, apparently "He's on some kind of list or something"

[geronl]

Wanting limited government has little to do with being entertained by apocalypse sci-fi.

Those who can't or won't govern themselves but want limited government are worrisome

[chae]

It's a really entertaining show, the characters are really interesting. 
And considering all that went down at Terminus, Carol shooting Lizzie, Carl shooting his mom, "tainted meat", Sophia being in the barn, the Governor's heads and daughter, Andrea's death, Glen under the dumpster, Herschel, Beth, Andrea and Carl's eye, I find all this whining and moaning about this episode insane.
Anyone with a passing familiarity with this show knew this was coming.  Negan told them what he was going to do, for the last 5 or so month people have been anticipating who has going to "meet Lucille".  When Lucille is a barb-wire wrapped baseball bat, you know it's going to be brutal.  Also, the wounds perfectly matched the comic book, so it's not like there was no warning.

[XenaLee]

Seriously to all you Ned Flanders types out there, do you not know what this show is about? And to think, some of these people let their little kids watch it then complained about the content? Even my wife wouldn't watch this episode.

Parents that stupid will always howl and squeal and blame others while seeking to censor what they disapprove of.  Screw em.  The show is not for children.  And not even for some adults.  Different strokes.

[geronl]

Seriously to all you Ned Flanders types out there, do you not know what this show is about?

Ned Flanders types. Wow. Don't people have every right to criticize a TV show they find terrible and disgusting? Or should we modify the first amendment to make those horrible Ned Flanders types shut up? How dare they have an opinion! How dare they!

[geronl]

Parents that stupid will always howl and squeal and blame others while seeking to censor what they disapprove of.  Screw em.  The show is not for children.  And not even for some adults.  Different strokes.

Not liking a show is not a crime.

[XenaLee]

Not liking a show is not a crime.

To me....not taking responsibility for what your little kids watch on tv borders on child abuse and/or criminal.  Some parents use the tv as a free babysitter.  So yeah....it can be. 

[XenaLee]

Ned Flanders types. Wow. Don't people have every right to criticize a TV show they find terrible and disgusting? Or should we modify the first amendment to make those horrible Ned Flanders types shut up? How dare they have an opinion! How dare they!

Who, exactly, is forcing them to watch the show?

[geronl]

Who, exactly, is forcing them to watch the show?

Nobody is forced to watch, just like child porn.  That doesn't make it okay.

Guess what, even people who do not like the show, and don't watch, are still allowed to have an opinion.

[chae]

@geronl

Direct quote from the article:
The PTC is, in effect, saying that The Walking Dead has gone too far, and positioning itself as a suitable arbiter for deciding what else is or isn't appropriate.

Not saying you can't express your opinion, this isn't about is this a good show or not, it's more about does/should this self-appointed group have the ability to tell others that since this show violates their sensibilities, it shouldn't be on the air?

[XenaLee]

Nobody is forced to watch, just like child porn.  That doesn't make it okay.

Guess what, even people who do not like the show, and don't watch, are still allowed to have an opinion.

I have no problem with people that have an opinion.  What I have a problem with....as illustrated in my first post in this thread....is parents that allow their small/young children to watch shows like The Walking Dead....and then bitch about it.  Parents that take NO responsibility whatsoever is what I have a problem with.  How did you miss that?

There's a ton of shows that I don't like, don't approve of and wouldn't let MY young kids watch, if I still had young kids around the house.  I just simply say "no" to the remote when it tries to force me to watch that crap....lol.

[geronl]

@geronl
The PTC is, in effect, saying that The Walking Dead has gone too far, and positioning itself as a suitable arbiter for deciding what else is or isn't appropriate.

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' positioning ourselves as the arbiter for what is and is not appropriate, I guess.

I have every right to say a TV show is perverted and immoral if I think it is. I'm not going to apologize for having standards of decency.

[XenaLee]

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' positioning ourselves as the arbiter for what is and is not appropriate, I guess.

I have every right to say a TV show is perverted and immoral if I think it is. I'm not going to apologize for having standards of decency.

I'm confused.  Are you trying to equate child porn with a zombie apocalypse show like The Walking Dead?  There's a serious disconnect here, if so.

Nobody is forced to watch, just like child porn.

Bottom line....if you have young kids, don't allow them to watch it.  Keep your opinion.  Nobody is saying otherwise.  Just don't try to dictate to others what they can or can't, should or shouldn't, watch.  JS....