'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@Idaho_Cowboy

You can't understand the State as God? Seriously?

I'm not arguing that Marxism doesn't have it's religious elements, rather that Christianity does not lead to Marxism. It seems man is  With relatively few exceptions the ideas have not correlated throughout history.

The Bible itself teaches that we give the state due honor, but that we are responsible to follow the higher authority (in the US that would be the Constitution btw) meaning ultimately if the state gives orders that are un-biblical the Christian is not bound to follow them.

The early church was told by the state they could not preach. Needless to say no state worship took place.
Acts 5:28  {The high priest, also a civil authority} "Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

This is the basis for separation of Church and state. In fact many of the rights we hold dear are written in the scripture.

We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal.
Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Also Romans 2:11 and Ephesians 6:9.

 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@musiclady

I believe you.

Honest!

Why,I'd almost be willing to bet you are going through a huge inner struggle to explain how the New and Improved Word of God came to be about,but don't want to give up your secrets to a pagan.

If you really want the full Sunday school explanation I'd be happy to post it. But I'm not sure why you think this is a gotcha.  Couple of points to consider.

First of all, perfect doesn't always mean complete. The Bible refers to the Church age as a mystery (ie. something not fully revelaed). 

Secondly, the old Testaments started with Creation and God coming to earth and breathing life into man. The new testament starts with God coming to earth to redeem man once and for all. The sacrifices, the feasts, the law, and the stories of the old testament all pointed to the cross; they are not inconsistent.

[XenaLee]

@sneakypete  @musiclady  @XenaLee  @Smokin Joe

Mankind's  barbarity is pretty well established. The use of that barbarity for entertainment goes back. The Roman Circus was a popular venue or it wouldn't have existed. The key, and 'civilization' rests on overcoming that popularism.

Yes.  However.....that's not the point or the topic of this thread.  We could write volumes on how violent and barbaric mankind has been and still is (See:  ISIS).

For me, viewing graphic violence isn't some form of entertainment. And I can liken it to voting for Trump. It is an embrasure to barbarity.

Same here.  But the show in question only has a few highly graphic instances of such violence, if you don't count the damage done to the walkers on a daily basis...lol.  Most of the fans, including myself, look past such violence because we like the cast, the writing and the apocalyptic survival theme....which is very pertinent in the current environment and times we're in.  Not that we'd see zombies roaming after a disaster like....say....a nuclear holocaust.  But there would be hoards of roving 'almost' dead people willing to do anything necessary in order to ""stay alive"".  Anyone that denies that isn't dealing in reality.  Hence, the show's appeal (IMO).

I believe in an afterlife. It isn't much of a stretch for me to think, that since "I" exist in  four-dimensional time/space, that I can continue that existence in an even more multidimensional energy state.

That's a topic for a whole nuther thread right there....but so do I.  Energy never dies....it just transfers to some other place.  And I believe that the human soul is another form of energy.  A small part of God, Himself, perhaps.  This world and reality is a testing ground.  When we die we return to God....to be weighed, measured and judged (wheat from the chaff).  But I digress...

That being said I have to look at the really big picture. My parents were never big fans of graphic violence. And my dad would never vote for Trump. So my dad is sitting up there watching this election and I know what he is thinking. Eternity is a long time people. No way in hell am I voting for Trump. My dad would never let me live it down. I don't want to have to endure "Dammit, Boy" for the rest of eternity.

My parents liked Leave It to Beaver and Father Knows Best.  The closest they got to watching violence was Gunsmoke...lol.  They were lifelong Christians and Republicans, as well.  As for them watching this election, the only thing we can do is adhere to our conscience (like Ted Cruz advised....if only he had followed his own excellent advice)....and refuse to support EITHER candidate of evil.  So that's my plan.  That way ....I just may be lucky enough to receive approval from my parents one last time before I die.  Hope springs.

[XenaLee]

@Idaho_Cowboy

You can't understand the State as God? Seriously?

Um....pardon me for interjecting here...but.....

since when has "the State"...ie big government (leftists) ever given people a choice....free or otherwise?  God gave man free will.  The State/leftist government never will.  The State seeks to dictate every tiny aspect of our lives, right down to the type of toilets we use and the type of bags we utilize.

Just sayin.....

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Um....pardon me for interjecting here...but.....

since when has "the State"...ie big government (leftists) ever given people a choice....free or otherwise?  God gave man free will.  The State/leftist government never will.  The State seeks to dictate every tiny aspect of our lives, right down to the type of toilets we use and the type of bags we utilize.

Just sayin.....

Good point.

[sneakypete]

Um....pardon me for interjecting here...but.....

since when has "the State"...ie big government (leftists) ever given people a choice....free or otherwise?  God gave man free will.  The State/leftist government never will.  The State seeks to dictate every tiny aspect of our lives, right down to the type of toilets we use and the type of bags we utilize.

Just sayin.....

@XenaLee

The USSR and their Nazi brothers gave people a choice.  You could either obey them or go to the Gulag/labor camps/firing squads.

Just like God gives people a choice. You can obey his rules or go to Hell and suffer torture for all of eternity.

Compared to God,Stalin and Hitler looks like great humanitarians. Nobody can top that "torture for all of eternity" thing.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

The USSR and their Nazi brothers gave people a choice.  You could either obey them or go to the Gulag/labor camps/firing squads.

Just like God gives people a choice. You can obey his rules or go to Hell and suffer torture for all of eternity.

Compared to God,Stalin and Hitler looks like great humanitarians. Nobody can top that "torture for all of eternity" thing.

I'm afraid that you have it all twisted there.  Stalin and the other POS dictators of the world gave nobody a choice between 'being good or being evil'.  The only choice you had was to submit....same as with Satan.

With God.... you have the choice of doing good and of not being an evil schmuck.  If you choose to be an evil schmuck....quite frankly.....I agree with God.  You then deserve to burn in Hell for all eternity...lol.

So you better be good, dude.  It's getting close.  Closer than you probably think.
 

[bigheadfred]

@XenaLee

The USSR and their Nazi brothers gave people a choice.  You could either obey them or go to the Gulag/labor camps/firing squads.

Just like God gives people a choice. You can obey his rules or go to Hell and suffer torture for all of eternity.

Compared to God,Stalin and Hitler looks like great humanitarians. Nobody can top that "torture for all of eternity" thing.

heh heh heh  God becomes man so man can become God. There is no torture in hell for eternity. You just have to hang out on Saturn and be sneakypete for a while. But you are smart enough to do what I am doing: Living multiple lives simultaneously so "I" get it right the "first" time.

[sneakypete]

I'm afraid that you have it all twisted there.  Stalin and the other POS dictators of the world gave nobody a choice between 'being good or being evil'.  The only choice you had was to submit....same as with Satan.<<

 

@XenaLee

Absolutely 100 percent wrong. There are countless graves in Europe filled with people who made the choice to not go along with Stalin or Hitler's plans. We ALWAYS have a choice between "Yes",and "No".

And like I wrote before,at least with Stalin and Hitler the suffering was over quickly. With your God,it lasts forever. WADDA GUY!

[Smokin Joe]

For me it's not "unreasoning hatred for the Lord and his flock". It's annoyance at forcing your views onto everyone and insisting that politics and religion be wedded at all times.

What basis would you use to make law, then, as a basic guide for what is to be considered criminal?

Where do your Rights come from?

[bigheadfred]

What basis would you use to make law, then, as a basic guide for what is to be considered criminal?

Where do your Rights come from?

Aesop's Fables.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Absolutely 100 percent wrong. There are countless graves in Europe filled with people who made the choice to not go along with Stalin or Hitler's plans. We ALWAYS have a choice between "Yes",and "No".

And like I wrote before,at least with Stalin and Hitler the suffering was over quickly. With your God,it lasts forever. WADDA GUY!

You may not know it ....but He is your last and only hope in this world.  I'll take my chances with God's judgment, thank you very much.  Human judgment is irreparably flawed and too easily influenced by EO. 

[Smokin Joe]

Aesop's Fables.

You have a Right to Sour Grapes...

[bigheadfred]

You have a Right to Sour Grapes...

Which imbibed turn into The Grapes of Wrath.