Republicans rush to build firewall to save the House

[sneakypete]

Yep.  Just what we need.  Even more government control.  Empower even more liberal bureaucrats with the authority to dictate what we can say or do.  That ought to do the trick.<<

@Hoodat

BINGO!

>>The obvious solution here is to grow some balls<<

WOW! WADDA CONCEPT!

 >>and defund NPR for starters.<<

Here is where I disagree. NPR is an OUTSTANDING idea. Where it falls apart is in the execution because WE,THE PEOPLE,have allowed the Board of Governors to turn it into an agenda-driven political organization instead of a public interest organization. Remove the politics and the agenda from it and make it about informing and educating the public and it was and is an excellent idea.

When it was first formed the American public had very little access to unbiased news related to anything other than the remote little areas they happened to live in. America then was a nation of radio and newspapers for information,and almost all the information most Americans received from those sources back then was VERY regional and dedicated to weather and crops because the America of that day was a rural nation.

BTW,it was the commie Roosevelt's that corrupted NPR.

Then came the 60's and America was less rural,more metropolitan,and we were even concerned with and getting furrin news about furrin places. And NPR got even worse because if there is a Holy Grail of communism fascism,it is control over all information outlets.

Then came the 80's and the internet,and apple carts started being upset on a daily basis,and the left started losing control over what information was being fed to white voters. Due to this,the DNC started taking a sudden interest in owning blacks and other minorities again,so they pretty much funded all the anti-American values sitcoms and other shows on tv in order to recruit empty young minds for indoctrination.

Which is why NPR could be a powerful force for Truth,Justice,Freedom,and the American Way of Life today if we,the people,suddenly started holding the Board of Governors heels to the fire and made them eliminate the globalist biases that drive it today. After all,what better way to change the mind and opinions of a target audience than to shift the focus of one of the primary news sites where the young and politically orientated get much of their opinions from?

Don't forget,most of these young people are NOT bad people and they are NOT globalists. They are just parroting that nonsense because it is the ONLY POV they have ever heard described as being correct as well as intellectual.

If we don't take the tools away from them that we are paying for and use those very same tools against them,then we are fools that need to lose.

[sneakypete]

 
Defunding NPR and Planned Parenthood is a win-win for Conservatives.<<

@Hoodat

BullBush! NPR ain't the big deal it used to be in the rural America of the 30's and 40's,but defunding a souce we could use to reach a segment of the population that considers themselves to be the young intellectuals is a foolish idea. You NEVER win by playing defense because YOU are always responding to actions and words by your enemy. If you want to win,you MUST take the battle to your enemy and you MUST go on the offensive and make THEM sound defensive and desperate.

As for Planned Parenthood,the ONLY people in America that consider PP to be a enemy today are the tiny fringe that identify themselves as fundie Christians. YOU might THINK you are a large group that represents the typical America because everybody in your family and your church agree with you,but you are nothing but a tiny fringe element most people laugh at.

I just wish there were some way those of us who are sane could piss you fundies off enough to make you desert the Republican Party for good because you scare more conservative-leaning voters away from the Republican Party and into the Dim Party than you draw. There are a lot of people who register and vote Dim because they are justifiably terrified of Rabid Religious loons taking control over America and ruling as an American Christian Taliban.

You rant and rave about late term abortion,but the truth is you are opposed to birth control and if it were in your power it would be illegal to buy or use contraceptives,and you would insist that a mother die in childbirth than have an abortion. You know this but won't admit it,and everybody knows you  know this. The truth is you BELONG in the Dim Party because you want the government to enforce your religious viewpoints using the force of law and the courts just like the globalists want to use the government to enforce their "religious" viewpoints.



 

[ScottinVA]

It is now.   It wasn't earlier,  but it is now.  It's probably more than that now.  It might even be 90% at this point.

The level of GOP support for Trump is hovering around 80%, and that includes those resigned to having to cast a vote for him in order to keep Hillary out of the White House.  That hardly constitutes his "base."

[Sanguine]

The level of GOP support for Trump is hovering around 80%, and that includes those resigned to having to cast a vote for him in order to keep Hillary out of the White House.  That hardly constitutes his "base."

@ScottinVA, I find that number remarkably high.  Do you have a few links?  I'd like to read more.

[DiogenesLamp]

Yep.  Just what we need.  Even more government control.  Empower even more liberal bureaucrats with the authority to dictate what we can say or do.  That ought to do the trick.

God!  I feel like I am communicating with children.    THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW!   


To those of us paying attention,   the inbred relationship between the existing media system and the Democrat party is clear.   The media and the Democrats are family.  They are literally blood relations,  and where they are not blood relations they are MARRIED relations.   


Here is a small sampling of the problem.  It is far worse than is illustrated by just these three people.






80% of all bureaucrats are Democrat Union members.   *THEY* ALREADY CONTROL THE MEDIA.   

The obvious solution here is to grow some balls and defund NPR for starters.

Because NPR reaches 100 million people every week.    Yeah,  that will do the trick!   


It boggles the mind that we believe representative Democracy is a viable system for controlling government power,   but when the exact same methodology is proposed to fix what is currently wrong with the media system,  everyone (really low information people)  designate it "Government Control!"   


They don't even ponder it.   they just immediately out with their instant analysis.   My God! They must be the smartest people in the world!   What takes me hours and hours of thinking and careful consideration,   they have figured out in 2.3 seconds!   


And with no information needed to boot!


 

[DiogenesLamp]

How do you plan to defund NPR, particularly in the face of a near-certain veto by President Clinton?

They couldn't even do it when Bush was president and both houses of Congress were controlled by Republicans.   


That should have been a clue for us that our side was stabbing us in the back. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

They couldn't even do it when Bush was president and both houses of Congress were controlled by Republicans.   


That should have been a clue for us that our side was stabbing us in the back.

It's true. As sad as the "Trump era" is for the GOP, the 2002 - 2007 was hardly any better. That was when real change was possible, but not taken. And the BUsh presidency was an epic disaster.

[libertybele]

It's true. As sad as the "Trump era" is for the GOP, the 2002 - 2007 was hardly any better. That was when real change was possible, but not taken. And the BUsh presidency was an epic disaster.

The George "H" Bush presidency was a disaster in that it was he who drafted NAFTA and Billy Bob signed it into law and yet another Bush was voted in later; however Kerry was definitely the greater evil.  IMHO  the first four years of "W"'s presidency was good in comparison to his last 4 years when we lost control of our majority in Congress. The Obama years have of course been a nightmare and to think that our choices are now of either another Clinton or Trump makes the Bush years look pretty darn good!

[DiogenesLamp]

Oh,yeah! Every other board created by our political masters is failing at everything BUT destroying America,but THIS one is going to be different,huh?

People just gloss right over that "elected by the people"  thing.    It does not even seem to register with them that what I was proposing is answerable to the voters,   not "Our Political masters."   

ANYTIME ANYONE comes up with a suggestion that requires amending the US Constitution they are on the wrong track for solutions,and need to come up with new suggestions.

Because everything worked out so well by following the original framework.   


It's only been amended 27 times,  and most of those amendments were mistakes.    Without some of those mistakes we would not now be worrying about the threat that one party control of the media poses to the survival of the nation.   

I don't want to burst your bubble,but teebee ... and print media AIN'T government organizations.

Well I hate to burst your bubble,  but effectively they are.    Have you not been paying attention?   Remember in 1994 when Republicans took control of the House and Senate for the first time in 40 years?    They tried to balance the budget,  and the Government media screamed bloody murder about how *THEY*  should be blamed for shutting down the Government,  as if many people *OUTSIDE*  the government really gave a sh*t about that. 

Oh,  but the media did!  They were on a non-stop tear in demonizing the people who had the audacity to demand the government live within it's means instead of allowing it to continue it's never ending deficit spending spree.   

So which side was the media on?   It was on the GOVERNMENT side.   Funny that!   



Those who do not believe the media are part of the ruling class have simply not been paying attention.   


People need to lose their illusions.   We have one party control of the airwaves and that party which controls it is the GOVERNMENT party.    You can't get anything on the airwaves unless it has been approved by "GOVERNMENT PARTY" censors.   



Wake up.  Wake up.  Wake up. 

[Hoodat]

God!  I feel like I am communicating with children.

And I had thought that I was communicating with Conservatives.  Silly me.

NPR uses my tax dollars (at the point of a gun) to openly prop up Democrat candidates and belittle Republican candidates.  I see nothing in the Constitution that would indicate this as a legitimate function of government.

If NPR really has 100 million listeners, then they should have no problem raising their own funding.  But leave my tax dollars out of it.

[DiogenesLamp]

@geronl

Government by committee. Why not? Look at how well that worked for the Soviets!

It may make you feel morally superior to misstate what I said,   but it is only a temporary feeling.    When you get around to finally understanding the threat we currently face,  perhaps you will offer some sort of proposal yourself,   and God help you if you suggest the voters need to use Representative Democracy to control the one party abuse of the national brainwash machine.   


The existing system is killing us.    You are like the optimist who falls out of a building and after falling half way says "So far so good!"   


No,  the eventual cost of allowing the existing system will not be good.   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The George "H" Bush presidency was a disaster in that it was he who drafted NAFTA and Billy Bob signed it into law and yet another Bush was voted in later; however Kerry was definitely the greater evil.  IMHO  the first four years of "W"'s presidency was good in comparison to his last 4 years when we lost control of our majority in Congress. The Obama years have of course been a nightmare and to think that our choices are now of either another Clinton or Trump makes the Bush years look pretty darn good!

The Bush years were an epic fail for the party, for the movement, and for the country.

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

What you are suggesting is "more of the same with Supreme Court approval",which could only result in more of what you are upset about.

Where does the Supreme Court come into it?    Where do you even get this idea?   


Voters.   V.O.T.E.R.S.   

How is it that you can not see something this obvious?

Right back at you.   

[sneakypete]

People just gloss right over that "elected by the people"  thing.    It does not even seem to register with them that what I was proposing is answerable to the voters,   not "Our Political masters."   




Because everything worked out so well by following the original framework.   


It's only been amended 27 times,  and most of those amendments were mistakes.    Without some of those mistakes we would not now be worrying about the threat that one party control of the media poses to the survival of the nation.   





Well I hate to burst your bubble,  but effectively they are.    Have you not been paying attention?   Remember in 1994 when Republicans took control of the House and Senate for the first time in 40 years?    They tried to balance the budget,  and the Government media screamed bloody murder about how *THEY*  should be blamed for shutting down the Government,  as if many people *OUTSIDE*  the government really gave a sh*t about that. 

Oh,  but the media did!  They were on a non-stop tear in demonizing the people who had the audacity to demand the government live within it's means instead of allowing it to continue it's never ending deficit spending spree.   

So which side was the media on?   It was on the GOVERNMENT side.   Funny that!   



Those who do not believe the media are part of the ruling class have simply not been paying attention.   


People need to lose their illusions.   We have one party control of the airwaves and that party which controls it is the GOVERNMENT party.    You can't get anything on the airwaves unless it has been approved by "GOVERNMENT PARTY" censors.   



Wake up.  Wake up.  Wake up.

@DiogenesLamp

You are one seriously confused individual. You state the facts and then come up with the wrong answers in almost every case. You actually think MORE government control is the way to get LESS government control,and the way to preserve the Constitution is to modify it.

Like that famous intellectual Goober Gore used to say,"whut iz spossedtabe up iz doawn,and whut is sposstabe doawn iz up!"

[DiogenesLamp]

The level of GOP support for Trump is hovering around 80%, and that includes those resigned to having to cast a vote for him in order to keep Hillary out of the White House.  That hardly constitutes his "base."

Is it Hillary's base?   Who's base is it?   Is it Jill Stein's base?   Is it Gary Johnson's  base?   


And also,  why are we obsessing on the specific numbers rather than the original point?    You piss-off the majority of your base,  and you should not be surprised if they are mad at you. 


And GOP support is hovering around 80%?    Democrats do not care if their candidate is a "dirty yellow dog",   they support their party's nominee.   


They win, of course.   

[sneakypete]

And I had thought that I was communicating with Conservatives.  Silly me.

NPR uses my tax dollars (at the point of a gun) to openly prop up Democrat candidates and belittle Republican candidates.  I see nothing in the Constitution that would indicate this as a legitimate function of government.

If NPR really has 100 million listeners, then they should have no problem raising their own funding.  But leave my tax dollars out of it.

@Hoodat

REGARDLESS of how it is being used,the PURPOSE of NPR is to inform the public of what the government is doing about various things of public interest.

NPR is NOT the issue. The way NPR is being used IS the issue,and if we can turn this around we would be fools to not try to reach this audience of 100 million listeners who are already listening to it and conditioned to agree with what they hear from that source.

[DiogenesLamp]

It's true. As sad as the "Trump era" is for the GOP, the 2002 - 2007 was hardly any better. That was when real change was possible, but not taken. And the BUsh presidency was an epic disaster.

 The George HW Bush presidency was an "epic"  disaster.   The George W.  Presidency was merely a "disaster."   


That family is originally from big monied elite in Connecticut.    They have always been limousine liberals who were uncomfortable with ordinary middle class virtues.   

[sneakypete]

 The George HW Bush presidency was an "epic"  disaster.   The George W.  Presidency was merely a "disaster."   


That family is originally from big monied elite in Connecticut.    They have always been limousine liberals who were uncomfortable with ordinary middle class virtues.   

They even married into the Harriman Family. That was their real connection to Nazi money,but the media always downplayed it. IIRC,one of the Harrimans actually lived in Nazi-occupied France for most of WW-2,and was free to come and go as they pleased.

BTW,Prescott Bush Sr's "punishment" for the conviction of money laundering for the Nazi's during a time of war was to be elected to the US Senate in 1954. Trading with the enemy during a time of war is generally considered to be treason,and a capital crime for those who are not "connected".  Next time you hear someone proclaim that government corruption is a new thing,remind them of that little factoid.

[TomSea]

How can George HW Bush's term of 4 years after Reagan's be worse than 8 years of Dubya with possibly, in the view of many, the biggest foreign policy mistake ever?

Still, I think McCain could have been elected if the economy had not turned south, also, I don't hold the view but I do know folks who think it was a big mistake to choose Palin.

[DiogenesLamp]

And I had thought that I was communicating with Conservatives.  Silly me.

NPR uses my tax dollars (at the point of a gun) to openly prop up Democrat candidates and belittle Republican candidates.  I see nothing in the Constitution that would indicate this as a legitimate function of government.

If NPR really has 100 million listeners, then they should have no problem raising their own funding.  But leave my tax dollars out of it.

Missing the point.  Missing the point.  Missing the point.     I do not know what NPR's numbers actually are,   but i'm pretty sure they don't come close to 100 million listeners per week.   

My point was they are a teeny tiny fish in a far greater media ocean.  They are insignificant compared to the larger problem of the propaganda organs which easily get 100 million per week.   



The weapon which is most dangerous to us and the future of our nation is one party control of the major propaganda tools,  which are the networks.   



If people do not think this matters,  then why would they object to "Government Control"  of it?   If control of the media doesn't matter,  who cares who controls it then?   


It matters who controls the media.  Right now it is under the control of the party of government.  We have to change this situation.   

[Sanguine]

And I had thought that I was communicating with Conservatives.  Silly me.

NPR uses my tax dollars (at the point of a gun) to openly prop up Democrat candidates and belittle Republican candidates.  I see nothing in the Constitution that would indicate this as a legitimate function of government.

If NPR really has 100 million listeners, then they should have no problem raising their own funding.  But leave my tax dollars out of it.

 

[TomSea]

Even if Trump does not win;

He tore down the establishment in the GOP;

And those salivating so much on a Trump loss; we will see how happy you are in a year or two.

[Hoodat]

As for Planned Parenthood,the ONLY people in America that consider PP to be a enemy today are the tiny fringe that identify themselves as fundie Christians. YOU might THINK you are a large group that represents the typical America because everybody in your family and your church agree with you,but you are nothing but a tiny fringe element most people laugh at.

I just wish there were some way those of us who are sane could piss you fundies off enough to make you desert the Republican Party for good because you scare more conservative-leaning voters away from the Republican Party and into the Dim Party than you draw. There are a lot of people who register and vote Dim because they are justifiably terrified of Rabid Religious loons taking control over America and ruling as an American Christian Taliban.

You rant and rave about late term abortion,but the truth is you are opposed to birth control and if it were in your power it would be illegal to buy or use contraceptives,and you would insist that a mother die in childbirth than have an abortion. You know this but won't admit it,and everybody knows you  know this. The truth is you BELONG in the Dim Party because you want the government to enforce your religious viewpoints using the force of law and the courts just like the globalists want to use the government to enforce their "religious" viewpoints.

For the record, I am not a 'fundie' or fundamentalist Christian.  I am a Present Truth Christian.  Big difference, not that you would understand since your bigoted ignorance is on full display for everyone to see.

Just to give you my own personal diverse American opinion, I oppose abortion but do not oppose birth control.  I make no apologies for not fitting in to your stereotype of what you assume I believe.  Having said that, I do not believe the courts should ever dictate the legality of those issues, but instead the members of a society through representation of their local and state governments should determine how their society is shaped.  This may be too radical a concept for you to grasp, but it is the heart of Conservatism.

As for Planned Parenthood, it is clear that a majority of American taxpayers oppose using their tax dollars to subsidize that organization/industry, primarily because it is not a legitimate function of government.  Your bigoted assumptions on religion aside.  Planned Parenthood can survive perfectly fine without my tax dollars being taken from me at the point of a gun to subsidize it.

I am shocked to discover that there are individuals on this forum who would defend federal spending outside the confined of Constitutional authority.  It is exactly for this reason that we find ourselves $20 trillion in debt.  As Everett Dickson once said, a billion here and a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

[TomSea]

PBS is always doing those telethons, or at least seasonally. I don't know how their funding breaks down.

[Hoodat]

Even if Trump does not win;

He tore down the establishment in the GOP;

Unadulterated bullshit.