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Offline Longmire

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2016, 02:58:45 am »
That is exactly why we don't have Cruz as our nominee ...

You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2016, 03:00:18 am »
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.

Never figured Cruz to become a Trump throne-sniffer.  He's anathema to conservatives.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2016, 03:02:53 am »
If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.

Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?

Interesting.

So now Trump supporters are supporting THEFT.

When I contract services - say having some high definition trade show banners and booths manufactured - and I take possession of the project and refuse to pay - even if I claim that they are not up to specs - then I can be arrested and charged for theft.

A contractor will usually make good on a service rendered if it is unsatisfactory.  But if a service is contracted - and the contractor is unpaid, then that is theft.

But the Trump people excuse every single deviant behavior their prince displays.  Same as Obama's worshippers do him.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2016, 03:03:34 am »
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.

You do deserve him. He shares your lack of principles and support of a liberal.

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2016, 03:04:27 am »
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.

Look how quickly you embraced Cruz the moment he kissed the ring of your prince and bent over to be violated.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2016, 03:05:12 am »
If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.

Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?

Then why did he invite same contractors to bid on the next project?  Why did he not replace the work if it wasn't up to spec?

He flat-out stiffs contractors who can't afford to fight him...everyone in NYC knows that!
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2016, 03:52:41 am »
If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.

Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?

YOU have to create some kind of reason to excuse your support for Trump. so YOU are are fabricating a situation where Trump stiffing contractors on a regular basis is justified.

His business tactic have always included renegotiating contracts after the fact. A well-known fact long before he decoded to run for POTUS.

Support him if you will, you'll get no argument from me, but do not try to cover my eyes then tell me that it's night time. 

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Juan Carlos Enriquez, owner of The Paint Spot, in South Florida, has been waiting more than two years to get paid for his work at [a Trump golf resort called] the Doral. The Paint Spot first filed a lien against Trump’s course, then filed a lawsuit asking a Florida judge to intervene.

In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.

That, and other evidence, convinced the judge The Paint Spot’s claim was credible. He ordered last month that the Doral resort be foreclosed on, sold, and the proceeds used to pay Enriquez the money he was owed. Trump’s attorneys have since filed a motion to delay the sale, and the contest continues.

Enriquez still hasn’t been paid.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-didnt-pay-his-bills-for-decades.html

I'll be at the Doral tomorrow morning on unrelated business.

Stop in and we can go inspect the "shoddy work".

I'm sure that had trump complained about the quality of the work not meeting his standards, Enriquez would have been happy to make any corrections needed to satisfy his client.

Enriquez, BTW, is the kind of an American that Trump claims to want to represent.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2016, 03:56:36 am »
Another tidbit from the New Yorker article:

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Trump allegedly withheld more than $83,000 from a Philadelphia cabinetry company that made “bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah’s at Trump Plaza.”

The owner of the company was informed of this, Reilly reports, at a bizarre meeting with Trump during which Trump told him that, while he wouldn’t be paid fully for the work because of its shoddiness (despite the fact that the casino’s general contractor had already approved it), his company “could work on other Trump projects in the future.” In other words, Your work’s no good — let’s work together again sometime. The owner’s son told Reilly that the shortcoming was a major hit to the company, and that “[a]fter standing up to Trump … the family struggled to get other casino work in Atlantic City.” The company went bankrupt in 1989.

Let me repeat the pertinent idea here:

Trump told him that, while he wouldn’t be paid fully for the work because of its shoddiness (despite the fact that the casino’s general contractor had already approved it), his company “could work on other Trump projects in the future.” In other words, Your work’s no good — let’s work together again sometime.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2016, 04:45:22 am »
He also admitted that he uses the bankruptcy laws to line his own pocketbook and cheat others.  That is not the intention of the law.  I think the bankruptcy laws should be changed in a way that does not allow someone like Donald Trump to become a billionaire at the expense of the little guys.

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2016, 04:47:45 am »
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.

Amen to that.  I'm disgusted with the dissing of Cruz here.  I don't agree with what he did but I believe that he thought Trump might ... just might ... do better on judges than Hillary.  And so he spoke out even though he knew full well that a lot of haters would disown him.

I think Trump has brought out the dark side in everyone.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2016, 04:51:13 am »
Why is that Luis...you don't think the US does a good job protecting Japan, S. Korea, Europe, KSA, etc?

Or are you just a little miffed that this happened in your back yard?



That is a load of really stupid people right there.  Sad to see.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2016, 05:01:11 am »
America cannot afford an ignorant, intellectually vapid president.   Trump has no intellectual curiosity. He doesn't even care that he doesn't know and he is not interested in learning.
He's a 70 year old child.
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Sink, you are so right about this.  I truly believe he will start a nuclear war due to his pervasive personality disorder and I still believe he has a learning disability and he MUST prove to himself he is the smartest, greatest, person who ever lived.  He will, because he HAS TO, insult every country's leader and that will likely provoke a nuclear war.  I have said it doesn't matter who is on the Supreme Court if you are dead.  Plus, we have no idea who he really would put forward to be on the Supreme Court.  That one reason for voting for him is a short sighted reason when compared to the danger he presents.

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2016, 05:11:24 am »
If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.

Or, is that concept beyond your grasp, Luis, because your preconceived bias won't let you see another POV?
And what were those standards? 50% or more off the agreed upon contract price?

If  no one came along later and tore it out and replaced it, either it was up to snuff, or Trump is selling second-rate construction. Hmmmmm.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2016, 05:13:14 am »
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.
He isn't running for president, now. I couldn't vote for him if I want to.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2016, 05:28:15 am »
He isn't running for president, now. I couldn't vote for him if I want to.

I think someone (a lot of someones actually) is upset that all the talking points they had prepared to slam former Cruz supporters with went out the window when they discovered that we actually DO stand by our principles and not sellouts. Integrity confuses them.

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2016, 05:32:22 am »
I think someone (a lot of someones actually) is upset that all the talking points they had prepared to slam former Cruz supporters with went out the window when they discovered that we actually DO stand by our principles and not sellouts. Integrity confuses them.
That, and the idea that we arrived at the same place, not by following someone else, but through our own thoughts, beliefs, and principles. After all that careful consideration (in some cases, decades of it), why would we abandon our principles because someone else made a choice we find questionable?
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2016, 05:43:11 am »
If Donald Trump refused to pay contractors for services provided, you can be sure the quality of work didn't meet Trump's standards.

Trump has no standards. That is why he is friends with the Clintoons, married to a whore and cites Sean Hanitty and Howard Stern in a Presidential debate.

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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2016, 12:04:06 pm »
That is a load of really stupid people right there.  Sad to see.

Snoopp Dog and Whiz Khalifa concerts draw 15 to 17 thousand attendees, depending on the venue's capacity.

Does that make them good musicians or does it make the crowd fans of crap?
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2016, 12:12:44 pm »
Let me repeat the pertinent idea here:

Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?

No one gives a flying duck what "allegedly" happened forty years ago.  :shrug:

Trump or Clinton...pick one





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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2016, 12:29:24 pm »
Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?

No one gives a flying duck what "allegedly" happened forty years ago.  :shrug:

Trump or Clinton...pick one
Binary choice? It's two zeroes!

And yes, history matters.
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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2016, 12:37:08 pm »
Here's an pertinent idea, why don't you squishes focus on current events and the binary choice the nation is facing?

No one gives a flying duck what "allegedly" happened forty years ago.  :shrug:

Trump or Clinton...pick one

YOU don't give a "duck". Some (many) do.

YOU have a self-imposed binary choice, I don't.
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« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2016, 12:38:43 pm »
You don't deserve Cruz...look how quickly you abandon him when he doesn't say/do exactly what you want.

Principles are more important than any politician or personality

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« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2016, 12:46:32 pm »
And yes, history matters.

The breakdown in the Middle East matters, unfettered immigration matters, tax reform and economic growth matters, Scalia's replacement matters.

Not some 40 year old lawsuit allegation or whether some beauty contestant was called fat.

Clinton or Trump...pick one.



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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2016, 01:27:29 pm »
The breakdown in the Middle East matters, unfettered immigration matters, tax reform and economic growth matters, Scalia's replacement matters.

Not some 40 year old lawsuit allegation or whether some beauty contestant was called fat.

Clinton or Trump...pick one.

Integrity, honesty and class are important.  Trump's business dealings reflect the kind of president he will be.  If he has lied and defrauded in the past, do you really think he will be honest as president? 

The "fat" comments matter too.  Is he going to call the wives of foreign dignitaries "fat" or "ugly" too?  Diplomacy and tact are important qualities in a president.  Trump doesn't have either.  We have fences to mend with our allies.  Trump's inability to keep his mouth shut will leave this country friendless and alone in the world.

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Re: Last Night, Donald Trump Showed Why He’s Dangerous
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2016, 01:59:00 pm »
Integrity, honesty and class are important.  Trump's business dealings reflect the kind of president he will be.  If he has lied and defrauded in the past, do you really think he will be honest as president? 

There are only two possible outcomes to this election...Trump or Clinton.

Trump beats Clinton on the question of honesty by a wide margin because the accusations in 40 year old lawsuits are inconsequential compared to the blatant lies told to the family members of the brave souls who died trying to save Ambassador Stevens and the perjury under oath in testimony about handling classified data to Congress and the FBI.