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We've spent the last decades watching the Constitutional Conservatism that Reagan branded into the GOP get trod underfoot within the Republican Party via the Establishment leadership.  It should not have surprised us, because that same Dole/Bush liberal Rockefeller Republican opposed Reagan with vehemence in his runs for the presidency - and even after he was in office.  They made it a cause to eradicate it from their party once Reagan left office, because to have listened to the beltway bunch - we are an embarrassment to their party.  There is probably no better definition of this than in Angelo Codevillas excellent essay: America's Ruling Class and the Perils of Revolution, which if you have not read - I highly invite you to do so.

But today - it is self-evident that the Republican Party we thought was the home of limited government, Constitutional Conservatism, is nothing of the sort.  Since 2012 the leadership made it clear via rules changes that Reagan Conservatives and Originalists were to sit down, shut up and vote the party without having a say in how things are run or what policies and platforms to cherish.   The Leadership under Mitch McConnell even threatened to 'punch us in the nose' for daring to primary him with a Tea Party favorite.  They lied to the entire base promising to stop Obama's Fundamental transformation if we handed them the Senate.  But the polls had barely closed and the Leadership was already giving us the middle finger.   The Ruling Class leadership established themselves as nothing but career collaborators with the Democrats and Conservative efforts to demand the foundations we respect, should be upheld.  But we were rebuffed and their contempt for us laid bare.

The Establishment worked harder to oppose their own base than the unConstitutional affronts of Obama and the Democrats.  Even to the point of empowering and funding his entire agenda.  It was a punch to the gut after a slap in the face and they told us at the beginning of this 2016 election cycle to lie back and enjoy the rape.

In the aftermath of the 2016 Primaries and the debacle of Trump - many Conservatives are now left wondering 'what happens to the movement now?'. 

Does it morph into this Nationalist Populist Fascism Trump and his hordes are preaching?  Does it get folded into Socialism Light under Rience Priebus?  Does it get redefined by Trump into something we would never recognize?   Does it need to depart the GOP and form or work to build a new party?  If so, and a departure is necessary, what then? 

What happens to the core principles and foundations that are now apparently a minority within the GOP and the electorate itself?

I may have an answer as to what we might see, because I have seen a very similar thing happen, albeit not politically. 


The fallout from Apostasy.

I've witnessed a microcosm of what I think is happening to Conservatism within churches in this country. 

Now before you discount that and think that church fellowship and politics have nothing in common - understand that for most Constitutional Conservatives - their political cores are a belief system, doctrines of Americanism if you will - that becomes the prism by which they look at everything in society.  Everything.  Not just political campaigns.  But how they live their lives.   Not unlike how some Christians look at the world through the prism of the bible.

If you think that notion is absurd, then you are not a Constitutional Conservative.  You are something else entirely.

I've witnessed and/or been part of several large corporate churches having gone apostate on their foundational doctrines to embrace 'new truth' (i.e.: homosexual marriage, Chrislam or even changes in basic doctrinal beliefs) all for the sake of 'getting new people to like us' and grow the weekly coffer. Often it is done under the pretense of 'preaching the Gospel' to the unreached.    In one case, a church simply had individuals in leadership who wanted to force the church to accept heresy as a doctrine or tear the entire church down and remake it into their own image.  Some due to individuals in leadership that hated the church itself for their own personal reasons.

What happened in those experiences I think, is what we are watching take place now with Conservatism and the GOP.  And here is what happens:

During the process of 'fundamental Transformation' - the introduction of heretical 'new truths' are preached within the church.  Some doctrines declared outdated, un-useful, offensive or just plain wrong. A discussion is started about adopting or morphing other doctrines into their own. Most nod blindly in agreement, because a large number of brethren believe whatever they are told from the pulpit, rather than prove what is true themselves.  However, those who have their nose in scripture are alarmed and upset at the perversions being preached.  The leadership does nothing and actually assists the doctrinal changes begin implemented, often by proof texting the bible to authorize the changes.  So the new doctrines are imposed, incrementally at first - and then full implementation despite the complaints from longtime members who recognize apostasy.

A large number of brethren convince themselves that they can change the church from within, and work to rectify the growing discord and contentions with the elders and pastors.  Often they are placated with meaningless promises of involvement in church board decisions, or their suggestions and complaints will be taken under advisement.  They soon find their efforts get them branded as sowers of discord.

The Ministry then goes full tilt to preach 'unity' and 'obedience' to whatever the pastorship says and or decrees is the new doctrine.  This happens week after week, so as to condition the members to accept what the church government tells them.  Often there are sermon series on Romans 13, and the requirement to obey church hierarchy.

Those who continue to complain or discuss the apostasy with others, are ostracized, sermonized against and ultimately disfellowshipped, marked and put out of the congregation.  This causes a huge backlash and the leadership almost always tamps down with an authoritarian fist, warning brethren they will lose their souls if they do not accept the new doctrines and to either shut up and keep their discontent to themselves, or leave.

A major split occurs (which is where I think we are currently at with the GOP).  A number of those who recognize apostasy leave the church to form new smaller congregations.  The diminishment of the larger church is almost immediate - and usually a war of words, legal actions and other nefarious behaviors are directed at those who decide they no longer want to be part of the Mother Church.  Members of the older congregation are instructed to have no contact with those who left, and sometimes they work to discredit, sabotage and ruin the efforts those that left are making to form a new congregation.  Often internecine wars go on for years, causing more discord and division.  The larger church often aligns itself with larger apostate churches to keep their tithes and offerings up - but in short order they are folded into the churches they have adopted doctrines from and cease to be who they once were.

The dangerous fallout of such splits is the disillusionment in God that many people suffer.  Some quit the faith altogether.  Some run back to embrace ideas and beliefs they once practiced before conversion.  Some grow hostile to the very essence of Christianity, God and the bible itself.  Still there remains a remnant of core principled Believers who recognize they have no home and work to establish new fellowships among likeminded.

Among the splintered groups comes those 'leaders' who believe in the core doctrines that were discarded, but they now want a following for themselves.   So they work to yank as many people from the now irrelevant 'mother church' into their own congregations, promising them a restoration of 'truth once delivered' by a church that has gone apostate.  They succeed for awhile, but then members are subjected to the personal interpretations of the 'new leader'.  Like sheep - lots of brethren will follow a man because of his oratory skills or influence.  People want to go where there are numbers rather than dwell within a handful.  But the warring factions of those who split the first time, split again and again - most often over whose name is on the door and who is in charge.  Some insist upon the precise and exact interpretation of everything from prophecy to which translation must be the only one referenced, or they declare the splintered group to be just another apostate group.  More splits occur.

This leads to a tiny minority of core people beholden to doctrine rather than men or numbers that are left to fellowship together. Home fellowships or congregations are on the rise with small groups renting storefronts.  Their numbers are less than a couple dozen people every week.  Their influence in the community is limited or next to nothing.

The results are that the brethren are jaded and worry about which charlatan or false preacher will come in and try to lead them astray.  They turn inward in terms of trust, and the preaching of the Gospel is neglected for the sake of simply catering to a core group of people who want to meet and congregate and share what they have in common.  The Great Commission becomes more diluted and society is untouched or influenced by the truths they should be sharing.

The culture around us is a testament to the damage that this kind of apostasy and splits in a body that is supposed to be serving as a witness and light to a nation that once called itself of God.  The church at large becomes lukewarm and ineffective.

That said, there are positives that occur when a biblically-oriented people remove themselves from apostasy.  Their faith and values are not diminished or rewritten to suit the agenda of others.  And while it may seem they are in the wilderness and irrelevant - they learn the beauty that comes from truly being free of 'plantation control'.  They can maneuver and move wherever the Spirit of God directs them to move without approval or direction of a hierarchy of men that often limits what individuals can do unless the 'leadership' endorses it.

Over time, I have seen smaller groups network with others and they become a 'leaderless' movement as it were, all claiming Christ as their head and of no need for a party of men to tell them what they can or cannot do.  They field their own missionaries, outreach and are having an influence on younger people who were invisible in the larger corporate churches.  I see God's Hand moving in these groups and I think that they will be the ones Daniel 11:32 describes as doing 'great exploits' - despite the fact Christian influence in America and the West in on the wane. 

I am not discouraged over the fact that Christianity is largely irrelevant in a hedonist culture that sees them as intolerant or evil.  We were told this would happen in Matthew 24.  I am content to know that it is with a minority that a witness is given before God.

What happens to the Reagan Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?

As with the church - if the Constitutional Conservative movement is splintered and relegated to pockets and corners, having been rejected by the majority party and a nation that no longer reflects the values we believe in, we should in no wise capitulate and give into becoming apostates ourselves.  We have to admit we have no home or place within the Republican party.  It is wholly apostate and corrupted, it has entrenched rules that will forever eschew what you and I believe in.   We risk having our core values watered down and diminished by remaining within it.  We can build a new fellowship and party that better values what we are governed by.

For even if we are irrelevant as far as the political zeitgeist and direction of the country goes in the near future - we are the ones who have yet to do great exploits as a tiny minority that holds to the truth of our foundations and religious heritage.  We are the ones who will provide a witness and a searing conscience to those who willfully discarded what was established for liberty to be maintained in this land.  We are the ones to point the disillusioned to the path and the way back to freedom.

Our political worldview based on the true history of our founding and the documents that established liberty should not change simply because the rest of the nation has embraced Socialism and big government.  We will be the remnant that have the seeds of liberty in our souls - and should they need to be planted in the ashes of consequences, we will be the ones to plant good seed for a hoped-for good crop understanding that though we are limited to planting and watering - it is God that brings forth the increase.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 09:25:57 pm »
This is a good read. Thanks. @INVAR

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That said, there are positives that occur when a biblically-oriented people remove themselves from apostasy.  Their faith and values are not diminished or rewritten to suit the agenda of others.  And while it may seem they are in the wilderness and irrelevant - they learn the beauty that comes from truly being free of 'plantation control'.  They can maneuver and move wherever the Spirit of God directs them to move without approval or direction of a hierarchy of men that often limits what individuals can do unless the 'leadership' endorses it.

This is where I view myself. Despite what others might think. I am far from being a perfect person. But from that experience I have an invaluable (to me) wealth of information.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 10:19:55 pm »
Thanks, @INVAR ! Great essay, and well worth reading in its entirety!
I especially agree with:

For even if we are irrelevant as far as the political zeitgeist and direction of the country goes in the near future - we are the ones who have yet to do great exploits as a tiny minority that holds to the truth of our foundations and religious heritage.  We are the ones who will provide a witness and a searing conscience to those who willfully discarded what was established for liberty to be maintained in this land.  We are the ones to point the disillusioned to the path and the way back to freedom.

Our political worldview based on the true history of our founding and the documents that established liberty should not change simply because the rest of the nation has embraced Socialism and big government.  We will be the remnant that have the seeds of liberty in our souls - and should they need to be planted in the ashes of consequences, we will be the ones to plant good seed for a hoped-for good crop understanding that though we are limited to planting and watering - it is God that brings forth the increase.


We are in a time when the veneers of apparent Conservatism are being stripped away to reveal either lesser core beliefs or what is in fact, solid support for Liberty and Original Intent.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 11:02:30 pm »
"And while it may seem they are in the wilderness and irrelevant - they learn the beauty that comes from truly being free of 'plantation control'"

Every presidential election (save GHWB, but hey I was 18 and not really paying attention and just assumed he'd be a continuation of Reagan) I've held my nose and voted R because of the alternative.  It's been harder every time.  Even this year the choice was difficult, but I remember the point when I realized that yes, this time I was actually going to vote for someone whom I felt was the best reflection of my values and the heck with "not losing".  It feels so much better ro be free.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 11:12:21 pm »
Thanks, @INVAR

Original Intent reminds me.

Man, it would be nice if I could talk either one of those two candidates into a wee bitty bite of the Apple.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 11:18:38 pm »
I was at my parents house today helping my mom with my dad...

Anyway she was watching CNBC and they had some analyst on who was predicting the Republican Party would split in two shortly.

Republican and Conservative being two separate parties for the 2020 election, if not sooner.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 11:29:23 pm »
I was at my parents house today helping my mom with my dad...

Anyway she was watching CNBC and they had some analyst on who was predicting the Republican Party would split in two shortly.

Republican and Conservative being two separate parties for the 2020 election, if not sooner.

I think they have and it is all over but the shouting.  :silly:
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 02:44:01 pm »
I posted this to another discussion a few days ago, but I think it bears repeating:

You know, that may be the beginning of a way to revitalize the conservative movement.  There are many malcontented people in the country today, but who feel they have no place to go that represents them.  If we can present our philosophy to them, separate from the label "conservative" which both the Dems and the GOP have fairly successfully painted as distasteful, we may be able to grow up a new cohort of liberty-minded individualists.  The "malcontents" I'm talking about are those quiet people (of all races and ethnicities, not just those we've previously thought of as fruitful ground for conservatives) who feel that there's no one and no group who represents their beliefs, desires, and hopes for the future.  They are the ones we need to find and welcome.  It bears some thinking about.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2016, 11:53:29 am »
I posted this to another discussion a few days ago, but I think it bears repeating:

You know, that may be the beginning of a way to revitalize the conservative movement.  There are many malcontented people in the country today, but who feel they have no place to go that represents them.  If we can present our philosophy to them, separate from the label "conservative" which both the Dems and the GOP have fairly successfully painted as distasteful, we may be able to grow up a new cohort of liberty-minded individualists.  The "malcontents" I'm talking about are those quiet people (of all races and ethnicities, not just those we've previously thought of as fruitful ground for conservatives) who feel that there's no one and no group who represents their beliefs, desires, and hopes for the future.  They are the ones we need to find and welcome.  It bears some thinking about.

Definitely, but the approach should be attempting to persuade in terms they can understand, not demanding that they come to our preferred terms.  I think this is something Reagan understood that most of us seem to have forgotten.

As an illustration:  it is not enough for a defendant's lawyer to stand up in front of the jury box and say something like: "he's innocent, innocent as the driven snow, and if you could just put your blinders down for a second and look at the facts, you'll see that I'm correct."  The defense lawyer may be absolutely correct, but that approach will almost certainly result in a conviction.  Instead, a good defense lawyer (which is almost a repetition, most defense lawyers are good, almost by definition) will do her best to take the measure of the individuals sitting in the jury box - including most especially the ones she thinks like the defendant the least - and try to craft an explanation of the evidence in terms they can understand as individuals based on their own life experience.  It doesn't always work, but it's about the only way the defendant has any way of getting an acquittal.

We need more Reaganesque kitchen table talks, and less soapbox preaching.  The former reaches the uncommitted, and hopefully a few of the opposition; the latter simply reaches the choir.

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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 12:47:51 pm »
Republican does not equal Conservative.

I am of the opinion that the Republican party has moved further to the left and will CONTINUE to do so until it loses an election or two.  It will only become clear to them that they have abandoned the base when the conservatives leave en mass for another party.  The sooner that happens, the sooner the party will move back to the right.  Until that happens we will continue to get McCain, Rommney and Trump like candidates at the top of the ticket.

To help the exodus along, I have switched to the Constitution Party and I will be voting for Castle.  I encourage others to do the same.

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2016, 03:10:17 pm »
Definitely, but the approach should be attempting to persuade in terms they can understand, not demanding that they come to our preferred terms.  I think this is something Reagan understood that most of us seem to have forgotten.

As an illustration:  it is not enough for a defendant's lawyer to stand up in front of the jury box and say something like: "he's innocent, innocent as the driven snow, and if you could just put your blinders down for a second and look at the facts, you'll see that I'm correct."  The defense lawyer may be absolutely correct, but that approach will almost certainly result in a conviction.  Instead, a good defense lawyer (which is almost a repetition, most defense lawyers are good, almost by definition) will do her best to take the measure of the individuals sitting in the jury box - including most especially the ones she thinks like the defendant the least - and try to craft an explanation of the evidence in terms they can understand as individuals based on their own life experience.  It doesn't always work, but it's about the only way the defendant has any way of getting an acquittal.

We need more Reaganesque kitchen table talks, and less soapbox preaching.  The former reaches the uncommitted, and hopefully a few of the opposition; the latter simply reaches the choir.

I completely agree; that's what I'm talking about.  We need to reach out to the malcontented folks around the country and talk to them about what bothers them and how our principles address those problems.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2016, 04:08:34 pm »
We need more Reaganesque kitchen table talks, and less soapbox preaching.  The former reaches the uncommitted, and hopefully a few of the opposition; the latter simply reaches the choir.

"...we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, • would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2016, 09:24:02 pm »
@INVAR You make a lot of good points and I think you make a very good point in drawing the parrells between faith and politics.
I ran across an interesing article on the subject of faith: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,227328.0.html

I think a driving for here that often get overlooked is the post modern world view. Much of what we are experiencing is the clash of ideas. On the one hand the growing belief that there are no absolutes, versus the traditional the belief that the Bible or the Constitution are true and remain relevant.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2016, 09:34:47 pm »
@INVAR You make a lot of good points and I think you make a very good point in drawing the parrells between faith and politics.
I ran across an interesing article on the subject of faith: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,227328.0.html

I think a driving for here that often get overlooked is the post modern world view. Much of what we are experiencing is the clash of ideas. On the one hand the growing belief that there are no absolutes, versus the traditional the belief that the Bible or the Constitution are true and remain relevant.

Right. The liberals insisting there is a free lunch while making us pay for it.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2016, 10:14:03 pm »
@INVAR You make a lot of good points and I think you make a very good point in drawing the parrells between faith and politics.
I ran across an interesing article on the subject of faith: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,227328.0.html

I think a driving for here that often get overlooked is the post modern world view. Much of what we are experiencing is the clash of ideas. On the one hand the growing belief that there are no absolutes, versus the traditional the belief that the Bible or the Constitution are true and remain relevant.

Without absolutes - there is no need for a Constitution.  Life will be governed by the whims of who rules and what they say is law at the moment.

For the record, it has been interesting watching the Constitution suffer the same fate as the Bible in society.  Forget the plain words - everything is open to personal interpretation or they await justices to tell us what the plain words really mean - often based on what others in the past have decided the words should mean.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2016, 03:15:04 am »
Cancelled for lack of interest after everyone joined the Bush Cult and started drinking the Bush Kool-Ade.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2016, 04:49:17 pm »
I posted this to another discussion a few days ago, but I think it bears repeating:

You know, that may be the beginning of a way to revitalize the conservative movement.  There are many malcontented people in the country today, but who feel they have no place to go that represents them.  If we can present our philosophy to them, separate from the label "conservative" which both the Dems and the GOP have fairly successfully painted as distasteful, we may be able to grow up a new cohort of liberty-minded individualists.  The "malcontents" I'm talking about are those quiet people (of all races and ethnicities, not just those we've previously thought of as fruitful ground for conservatives) who feel that there's no one and no group who represents their beliefs, desires, and hopes for the future.  They are the ones we need to find and welcome.  It bears some thinking about.

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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2016, 04:52:24 pm »
Without absolutes - there is no need for a Constitution.  Life will be governed by the whims of who rules and what they say is law at the moment.

For the record, it has been interesting watching the Constitution suffer the same fate as the Bible in society.  Forget the plain words - everything is open to personal interpretation or they await justices to tell us what the plain words really mean - often based on what others in the past have decided the words should mean.

Not one in one thousand people you ask at random on the street can correctly answer the question, "What is the difference between a Republic and a Democracy?" Until that is reversed IOW  only one in one thousand cannot NOT answer that question correctly, the Idiocracy will be in the ascendency and the godless plutocratic Empire will continue to march to power over the entire planet.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2016, 05:14:18 pm »
Not one in one thousand people you ask at random on the street can correctly answer the question, "What is the difference between a Republic and a Democracy?" Until that is reversed IOW  only one in one thousand cannot NOT answer that question correctly, the Idiocracy will be in the ascendency and the godless plutocratic Empire will continue to march to power over the entire planet.

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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2016, 07:04:57 pm »
@INVAR @Oceander @LateForLunch

So how do we implement the needed outreach to those malcontent people of all types in the country who would perhaps reject anything labeled "conservative" out of hand?  Perhaps we need to write up a statement of principles and beliefs that we can use as a starting point for discussion and education.  What do you all think?
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2016, 07:11:58 pm »
Not one in one thousand people you ask at random on the street can correctly answer the question, "What is the difference between a Republic and a Democracy?" Until that is reversed IOW  only one in one thousand cannot NOT answer that question correctly, the Idiocracy will be in the ascendency and the godless plutocratic Empire will continue to march to power over the entire planet.

 :amen:  The only way to stop that nonsense is to go to your local school board meeting and insist they stop teaching the children that America is a democracy,and explain to the children the differences between a democracy and a republic,and point out why democracies are always destined to fall.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2016, 07:17:03 pm »
@INVAR @Oceander @LateForLunch

So how do we implement the needed outreach to those malcontent people of all types in the country who would perhaps reject anything labeled "conservative" out of hand?  Perhaps we need to write up a statement of principles and beliefs that we can use as a starting point for discussion and education.  What do you all think?

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We can't. I have been trying for several years on several political boards to just quit allowing the left to identify themselves as "Liberals" to to GET CONSERVATIVES TO QUIT CALLING THE FASCIST LEFT AND FASCIST RIGHT "LIBERALS" also because there is no creature on earth LESS "liberal" than a leftist. In FACT,in America,it is the CONSERVATIVES that are trying to preserve our liberal form of government.

So far as I know, I have convinced NO ONE to do this. They are still calling the left "liberals" and sneering like it is an insult.  If we can't even get our "own" people to recognize something this basic,what luck are you going to have convincing the brain dead sheeple?
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2016, 07:18:14 pm »
@INVAR @Oceander @LateForLunch

So how do we implement the needed outreach to those malcontent people of all types in the country who would perhaps reject anything labeled "conservative" out of hand?  Perhaps we need to write up a statement of principles and beliefs that we can use as a starting point for discussion and education.  What do you all think?

Start by leaving out the word 'conservative'. That way they will never know what hit them.
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Re: What Happens To The Reagan/Constitutional Conservative Movement Now?
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2016, 07:24:10 pm »
@Doug Loss

We can't. I have been trying for several years on several political boards to just quit allowing the left to identify themselves as "Liberals" to to GET CONSERVATIVES TO QUIT CALLING THE FASCIST LEFT AND FASCIST RIGHT "LIBERALS" also because there is no creature on earth LESS "liberal" than a leftist. In FACT,in America,it is the CONSERVATIVES that are trying to preserve our liberal form of government.

So far as I know, I have convinced NO ONE to do this. They are still calling the left "liberals" and sneering like it is an insult.  If we can't even get our "own" people to recognize something this basic,what luck are you going to have convincing the brain dead sheeple?

The answer is that some genius must come along and figure out a way to make becoming an enlightened, vigilant, knowledgeable centurion at the gate of Liberty more convenient and fun than being a lazy, easily- distracted, apathetic, bovine conformist to the whims and dictates of an all-powerful, tyrannical super-State.

Largely and increasingly, my impression of the majority of today's young people in regard to understanding how we are governed,  is that they are much like passengers on the Titanic who don't want to hear about ice bergs, sinking or "any of that sort of boring old-people crap".
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