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.....7. The Alt-Right wants to burn American politics to the ground. The Alt-Right most immediately opposes conservatism, as Youth for Western Civilization founder Kevin Deanna explained in his Taki’s Magazine and AlternativeRight.com piece titled “The Impossibility of Conservatism.” The Alt-Right contains a who’s-who of right-wing voices that have been “purged” from the conservative movement by William F. Buckley and National Review, like Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire, and Alt-Right leaders like Vox Day described the movement in an interview as “the heirs to those like the John Birch Society who were read out of the conservative movement.” Steve Bannon, who refashioned the website of conservative icon Andrew Breitbart into “the platform for the Alt-Right,” has encouraged activists to “turn on the hate” and “burn this bitch down.”....

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 03:10:15 pm »
There one mention to Vdare is some article linked about a "proposition nation", for whatever that is which is pretty vague.

Though just mentioning "alt-right" will make some drool and accuse anyone voting for Trump to be the worse.

I do see though, that per immigration and the way of running America currently, is already "burning down the system"; when our borders are left open which Bush and Obama have both excelled in.

That's just one issue, the renegade supreme court not relying on the Constitution is another.

It doesn't surprise me that the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro's website, indeed welcomes a new America; I think that can be questioned as well.

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 03:38:53 pm »
A tempest in a fleapot. Code Pink gives more concern.

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 04:04:35 pm »
The Alternative Right asks conservatives to trade God for racial identity, liberty for strongman statism, and the unique American idea that “all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” for a cartoon Nazi frog.

I could not have said it better myself. Although I might have added something about them being home to paranoid racialists and antisemitic creeps.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 06:02:57 pm »
The Alternative Right asks conservatives to trade God for racial identity, liberty for strongman statism, and the unique American idea that “all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” for a cartoon Nazi frog.

I could not have said it better myself. Although I might have added something about them being home to paranoid racialists and antisemitic creeps.
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From an anthropological standpoint, they very much fall into tribalism, not unlike groups like BLM, Occupy, etc. Your identity is your tribe, in this case, who you support and how you identify. The individual is subservient to the tribe. Even what used to be our foundations like the Constitution take second seat to the tribe. You are either 100% in the tribe or you are the enemy. The big humor is how many on one hand, deny there is an 'alt-right' other than a bogey-man, but then in other posts and comments, use alt-right terms like 'cuck' against their opponents and alt-right tactics. At that, the term 'alt-right' was even embraced by many here until it was no longer beneficial to them.

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 06:05:32 pm »
good post

they sound just like communists wanting to overthrow capitalism

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 06:19:40 pm »
A tempest in a fleapot. Code Pink gives more concern.

Kind of missing the point, aren't you?  Unless you're one of those alt-right folks, in which case you're just trying to convince those of us who are for individual rights and the freedoms promulgated by the Founders that you really aren't the threat to our society that we think you are.  It isn't working, you should know...
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 07:00:47 pm »
Kind of missing the point, aren't you?

No.

What were you saying about alt-right six months ago? What will you be saying about alt-right after the election? Are you this great man of principle only when that helps to elect a socialist kleptocrat?

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 07:11:38 pm »
helps to elect a socialist kleptocrat?

which one?

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 07:15:09 pm »
good post

they sound just like communists wanting to overthrow capitalism

More like an oligarchy where they think they'll have the power and can then distribute rights and favors to those they favor. You almost have a Heinlein like future envisioned by them where citizenship and rights are granted by the government based on loyalty tests and connections.

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 07:16:29 pm »
More like an oligarchy where they think they'll have the power and can then distribute rights and favors to those they favor. You almost have a Heinlein like future envisioned by them where citizenship and rights are granted by the government based on loyalty tests and connections.

I really hated that back when it was fiction too.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 07:16:36 pm »
which one?

Bingo, don't think for a second the likes of Soros don't have this as a hedged race, with influence on both sides, each one marketing to their respective bases the way their marketing teams tell them will work. Soros may give tens of millions to the Dems, but he is also connected financially to Trump to the level of hundreds of millions.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 07:19:04 pm »
Bingo, don't think for a second the likes of Soros don't have this as a hedged race, with influence on both sides, each one marketing to their respective bases the way their marketing teams tell them will work. Soros may give tens of millions to the Dems, but he is also connected financially to Trump to the level of hundreds of millions.

Hillary and Trump are on the same team, I have said it all along. I still expect one will endorse the other in mid-October.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 07:26:52 pm »
which one?


You're not running so that would be Hillary.

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 07:30:55 pm »
Hillary and Trump are on the same team, I have said it all along. I still expect one will endorse the other in mid-October.

I think they'll continue to play the game as they are expected to. People have to be given the illusion of choice (from the acceptable options of course).  The 'us against them' games are how politicians build more and more power. You will always have to be rescued from the 'them', which of course, results in eroding of rights and liberties. Sheep need a sheepdog. They'll even go through the gate they are told to even if there isn't a fence.

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 07:31:50 pm »

You're not running so that would be Hillary.

Looks like I forgot to put someone on ignore. I'll do that when I get attacked personally.

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 07:39:20 pm »


That explains the irrational calls for the complete destruction of the GOP by the more vocal Trump supporters.  Explains a lot.  Especially considering that many of those same people are Trumpocrats.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 09:05:24 pm »
No.

What were you saying about alt-right six months ago? What will you be saying about alt-right after the election? Are you this great man of principle only when that helps to elect a socialist kleptocrat?

I wasn't saying anything about you alt-righters, since you weren't within my awareness.  In that I'm fairly representative, I think.  What will I be saying about you after the election?  The same thing as now, of course.  As for you last question, we both know it's not a serious one and only intended to provoke.  Along with being premised on a load of hooey, of course.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2016, 09:05:56 pm »
An excellent article that confirms and explains a lot of what I saw while lurking on various Alt-Right sites.  Definitely worth reading.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 09:14:13 pm »
I wasn't saying anything about you alt-righters, since you weren't within my awareness.


If you believe I'm alt-right then I am not within your awareness or your ken.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2016, 09:40:17 pm »
More like an oligarchy where they think they'll have the power and can then distribute rights and favors to those they favor. You almost have a Heinlein like future envisioned by them where citizenship and rights are granted by the government based on loyalty tests and connections.

Outside of the Heinlein comparison... spot on.

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2016, 09:43:08 pm »
Anyone who doubts the existence of the Alt-Right simply needs to look at the comments on the article. The only question is how big are they really. Let's hope they are simply a puffed up bull frog in a rain barrel.
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2016, 09:43:41 pm »
Outside of the Heinlein comparison... spot on.

Think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress > Federated Nations on Earth and how they ran- the Loonie's enemy.

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2016, 09:49:04 pm »
Think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress > Federated Nations on Earth and how they ran- the Loonie's enemy.

I was thinking of Starship Troopers or Stranger in a Strange Land.

And the comparo just didn't seem to fit either.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2016, 10:05:58 pm »
The differences between the people who identify as alt-right and what people who are defined as mainstream conservative is not as cut and dried as many people, including the writer of this article, believe.
Certainly, I consider myself a mainstream conservative....as do many Trumpsters. But many MCs conflate the alt-right with Trumpsters or Trumpism.
That's where I would disagree. Because a great pct. of people who could be call Trumpsters (as different from people simply voting for Trump because he's not Hillary) are not racists or white nationalists like the people depicted in the article.
I would bet most Trumpsters became so to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. What good American can disagree with that premise?
But after reading articles in Taki's Mag, American Renaissance, and VDare among some alt-right web sites, not even all the writers are hardcore white nationalists/racists as the writers claims.
And he makes a mistake calling John Derybshire's version of the Talk for white people "a racist screed."
The simple fact is it is dangerous to be around large groups of young blacks....if you're white or black, or whatever color.  Derbyshire in his Talk even says it's admirable to seek out black people who are good people.
But  many of the truths in his version of the talk are undeniable. When you have arch-libs like Jesse Jackson and Mark Cuban saying some of the same things as Derbyshire wrote about, then we can agree that it is not necessarily racist to tell the truth.
 For many decades the liberal media (and most of what is considered conservative media) put the clamps on any talk of the size of black crime and pathology. So they shouldn't be surprised that many people go to sites where they can read truthful articles about black pathology.

I guess what I found most disturbing about much of the alt-right sites was the anti-Semitism I found among many of the commenters on the articles. It seems many of the people who make comments in those alt-right forums are decidedly anti-Semitic....even though some of the posters say they're Jewish. And to be sure many of the alt-right commenters do not like anybody who is not of northern European/Aryan origin. Slavs and meditteranean types are not wanted either even though they're caucasians.
Alt-right writers are many times just writing about the disgust many Americans have with wimpy pols who blame whites and white Christians for all of America's problems.  And they are right in their belief that not all ethnic groups are exactly the same in inherited intelligence or behavior. I have yet to read any alt-right writer who I would classify as a racist in the nastiest sense of the term. Even Jared Taylor, who believes in creating an "all-white" country is not only married to a person or Japanese descent, he says he does not hate people of different ethncity. His belief is that the U.S. should be basically populated by white people with white interests.
That is not my belief. I believe in an America whose citizens all agree on the primacy of the constitution and the rule of law. There is no color code in my America, and there are no favored groups based on ethnicity or color. Why should I reject a Thomas Sowell and accept a Michael Moore?  People acknowledge that people are not born exactly equal in ability with other people. Men and women are inherently difference. But everybody is equal under the law. But nobody gets special benefits because of what some people of another ethnicity did to people of their ethnicity in the past. Everybody has an equal opportunity to succeed or fail in life with the understanding that life is not fair and positive results cannot be guaranteed. Charity for the less fortunate is fine, but subsidizing indolence is bad. 
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