George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary

[musiclady]

But according to the story, he didn't "announce" it.  He let it slip (after all, he's 93) to someone he saw as a friend, and they announced it.

I'd note that the statement issued by his spokesman does not claim that he never made the statement in question to Ms. Kennedy, which would have been a very easy denial to issue.  If it were true.

It still seems like a dubious report from an unreliable source to me.

Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person, but it makes sense to me that he wouldn't vote for Trump, if only from the Dad perspective of how Trump trashed his son, but also from the gentleman perspective that has to be appalled by Trump's vile nature and unrestrained outbursts of nastiness and personal attacks against anyone who dares disagree with him.  It doesn't make sense to me that he would vote for Hillary.

Count me in as a doubter unless this story is backed up by some factual evidence.

[HAPPY2BME]

Well, now, that's just weird, "Happy"............ because what I see here is a great deal of criticism for the Bush family, ranging from disagreement to downright hatred  (see the unhinged post above).

It seems that everything you say has issues with truthfulness.

Besides which, if this place is so despicable and full of "vultures" then why the heck do you post here??

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Eagles have been known to prey on vultures.

ANY DOUBTS NOW WHAT TRUMP REPRESENTS???

Is there any doubt that we’ve been sold down the river, long ago, by the GOP?

Leave it to the Bushes to jump the divide from, “I’m not going to vote for Trump,” to, “I’m supporting Hillary!”

[Just_Victor]

Heh.  Yeah, the analogy works all around.  I suppose Gary Johnson is Carl Spackler....?

Almost.  The only one qualified to be Lacy Underall is Carly Fiorina.  Not sure about that one.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Count me in as a doubter unless this story is backed up by some factual evidence.

Well, there was a very explicit, concrete statement by a public figure who claims to have heard it from his own mouth.  And despite "a" statement being made, that statement did not include a denial that he had said that to Ms. Kennedy.  Why wouldn't the statement have said "the report is not true, and the President will not be announcing who he intends to vote for President."

I just don't know how to get around the lack of a denial, especially given that they went to the effort to make a public statement at all.

[LilLamb]

This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS.  Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it.  Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Almost.  The only one qualified to be Lacy Underall is Carly Fiorina.  Not sure about that one.

Well, once you assume that only Bill Clinton could be Ty Webb, you can then take his "energizer bunny" or any other bimbo as Lacy, and it works just fine!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS.  Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it.  Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us.

How, exactly, is this supposed to be "researched and proven"?

I think the best thing to do before evaluating stories like this is to wait until both sides have been heard.  Isn't that's exactly what happened?

We had Ms. Kennedy come out and give her side of the story.  True or not?  Who knows?  Let's hear from the other side....

Then a spokesman for GHWB came out and make a statement in response.  Problem is, the statement made it response conspicuously avoids addressing the statement to which it is supposedly responding.  It's the classic non-denial denial.  I truly don't know any other rational way to read that except to conclude that Ms. Kennedy accurately reported what the President said.  Why other plausible explanation is there for them to not include a specific denial of her statement when they made their statement?

[musiclady]

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Eagles have been known to prey on vultures.

ANY DOUBTS NOW WHAT TRUMP REPRESENTS???

Is there any doubt that we’ve been sold down the river, long ago, by the GOP?

Leave it to the Bushes to jump the divide from, “I’m not going to vote for Trump,” to, “I’m supporting Hillary!”

Well, I know what Trump doesn't represent.  He doesn't have anything in common with Jesus... OR an eagle.  And no one on this forum who opposes Trump is a "vulture."

In truth, those of us who are actually upset at the GOPe, are the ones who don't like the close alliance between establishment GOP and establishment Trump.  Your guy IS the system, and the GOP cartel LOVES him. 

But go on dreaming that Trump is anything but a corrupt, debauched used-car salesman, and dream on about how he's going to make the sea-levels go down, and everyone, everywhere will bow down and worship him.

(You're not the first group of leftists to believe in the super-powers of your idol. Mmmm mmmmm   mmmmmm.........)

[jedidah]

Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person

Nope.  I'm with you.  I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.

Politics and political service is so nasty these days that good men risk ruin of reputation if they run.  Cruz is but one example.

[musiclady]

Nope.  I'm with you.  I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.

Politics and political service is so nasty these days that good men risk ruin of reputation if they run.  Cruz is but one example.

Well, that makes two of us!  At least I'm not ALL alone!   

[aligncare]

That doesn't reflect well on the Bushes -- letting personal pique and hurt feelings determine who should lead the country.  Jeb and his dad are Judge Smails, and Trump is Rodney Dangerfield.  It's compounded by the fact that  Jeb is the guy who was supposed to be the quarterback of the football team, and his dad doesn't like the kid who go the job instead.

I get not voting for Trump.  But voting for Hillary is either personal pique, or the Smails/Dangerfield factor, where "the dignity of the office" is the most important consideration.

I'd point out that Rubio seems to get the idea that Trump being a uncouth braggart is less relevant than Hillary's policies, and I think it's pretty clear that Cruz is going to vote for Trump but not endorse him publicly, which I think is a very honorable course.

For the Bushes to make it about the fact that Trump was rude to them is disappointing.  The reality is that the importance of Trump's rudeness dissipates, but the policies supported by Hillary won't.

You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.

A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.

Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.

[HonestJohn]

Well, I know what Trump doesn't represent.  He doesn't have anything in common with Jesus... OR an eagle.  And no one on this forum who opposes Trump is a "vulture."

In truth, those of us who are actually upset at the GOPe, are the ones who don't like the close alliance between establishment GOP and establishment Trump.  Your guy IS the system, and the GOP cartel LOVES him. 

But go on dreaming that Trump is anything but a corrupt, debauched used-car salesman, and dream on about how he's going to make the sea-levels go down, and everyone, everywhere will bow down and worship him.

(You're not the first group of leftists to believe in the super-powers of your idol. Mmmm mmmmm   mmmmmm.........)

Eagles hate Trump.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_OWYrLVOU

[jedidah]

I truly don't know any other rational way to read that except to conclude that Ms. Kennedy accurately reported what the President said. 

Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word.  It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.

I routinely tell people that we have a secret ballot in this country, and that my vote is my business.  That statement is neither a confirmation nor a denial of support for any candidate, but rather a nod to our political heritage.  I respect others who do the same.

[XenaLee]

George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary

A Kennedy outs a Bush who favors a Clinton.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-228395

Darren Samuelsohn
09/19/16

Former President George H.W. Bush is bucking his party's presidential nominee and plans to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, according to a member of another famous political family, the Kennedys.

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And just how, exactly, would the Kennedys (ANY Kennedy) know who HW Bush was going to vote for?   Puhleeeze!

[HonestJohn]

And just how, exactly, would the Kennedys (ANY Kennedy) know who HW Bush was going to vote for?   Puhleeeze!

Wasn't one married to Arnold Schwartzenegger?

[kevindavis007]

Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person,

Nope, you are not alone.

[jedidah]

For the Bushes to make it about the fact that Trump was rude to them is disappointing. 

It's a leap to assume that the Bushes don't like Trump because he is rude to them.  The Bushes are not political novices.  They've had insults painted upon them in layers over the years.

If indeed they do not vote for Trump, it's much more likely that they consider him too ignorant and unqualified for the office.  And that is something they would know.

[Emjay]

It still seems like a dubious report from an unreliable source to me.

Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person, but it makes sense to me that he wouldn't vote for Trump, if only from the Dad perspective of how Trump trashed his son, but also from the gentleman perspective that has to be appalled by Trump's vile nature and unrestrained outbursts of nastiness and personal attacks against anyone who dares disagree with him.  It doesn't make sense to me that he would vote for Hillary.

Count me in as a doubter unless this story is backed up by some factual evidence.

I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think.  The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders.  They were honest and patriotic and family centered.  I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games.  He's a really nice guy.

It's become fashionable lately to trash the Bushes ... probably started by Trump.  Well, definitely started by Trump and fueled by people who did not want Jeb.  I didn't want Jeb either but I'd walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him today.

A lot of people made the mistake of wanting perfect and ending up with Trump.  How sad is that?

[sinkspur]

You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.

A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.

Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.

I never supported Cruz.  No, my issue with Trump extends to his demeanor, behavior,  and ignorance.  I opposed him from the day he announced and, if anything, am more adamant now that he is dangerous for the country. 

I'm completely rational, which is why I refuse to support Trump or Hillary.

[DiogenesLamp]

Apparently the former president's spokesman has said that the GHWB's vote is private and has not/will not be discussed going into the election.

The Namby Pamby weeinie doesn't even have the guts to live up to his own position.   This man is about the worst surrender monkey we have ever had in the Republican Party.   


Hello George?   If you were going to support your party's nominee,  you would say so.   


He's as out of touch with this transparent nonsense as he has always been with his love and adoration of Democrats.   


Yes George,  we know you are going to vote for Hillary.   We know what you are despite  your efforts to
conceal it. 

[kevindavis007]

I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think.  The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders.  They were honest and patriotic and family centered.  I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games.  He's a really nice guy.

It's become fashionable lately to trash the Bushes ... probably started by Trump.  Well, definitely started by Trump and fueled by people who did not want Jeb.  I didn't want Jeb either but I'd walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him today.

A lot of people made the mistake of wanting perfect and ending up with Trump.  How sad is that?

Well Bush bashing started in 1992 when a bunch crybabies voted for Perot, then it died until 2000 when left bashed GW and then after the 04 election  the fringe right started the pile on.

[Emjay]

You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.

A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.

Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.

Your continued use of the name Rafael is proof that the Good Guy is still inhabiting your brain cells.  Ted Cruz has nothing to do with the fact that Nevertrumpers think trump is all that is wrong with America.  You cannot deny that trump is a serial adulterer.  He is.  And he bragged about bedding other men's wives.  Watch some of the sickening Howard Stern interviews.

You cannot deny that Trump is a terrible businessman.  He's not increased his inherited wealth.  He sues people; he declares bankruptcy many times leaving his creditors holding the bag.  He cheats people, especially little people.

You cannot deny that Trump is a mean, barely literate man with no impulse control.  A man who worships himself and abuses others.

So ... you resort to feeble lies about Ted Cruz.  Save that for somebody who gives a rat's ass.

[Victoria33]

I seriously doubt if this is true.  He might not vote for Trump and I would not blame him but I'm pretty sure he won't vote for Hillary.

@Emjay

I believe he would vote for Clinton with absolute glee and would vote twice for her if he could, as every vote he made would be a fist to the face of Trump.  He must have pent up emotion against what Trump did to Jeb, so smash him by voting for Clinton.

[musiclady]

Eagles hate Trump.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_OWYrLVOU

LOL!  Smart eagle!

Don't you love how Trump, at the end says, "I love TIME Magazine."

Yeah.......... all us Conservative Republicans love TIME Magazine, don't we??   

[musiclady]

Nope, you are not alone.

Good to know.

I was prepared to get my head chopped off after I said that......