Author Topic: For those who are Never Trump or leaning that way, what would he need to do in order for you to change your mind?  (Read 14077 times)

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(All) harrumph, harrumph! harrumph! harrumph! (louder) harrumph, harrumph! harrumph! harrumph!

Isn't that the Trump song from TOS?
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(All) harrumph, harrumph! harrumph! harrumph! (louder) harrumph, harrumph! harrumph! harrumph!

The tune goes like this..


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Perry, Reagan, once Democrats.

George W. Bush campaigned as a Conservative. Did he govern that way?  He campaigned conservatively per America getting involved in foreign entanglements. Did the Neo-Cons sway him?  Did he secure our borders? What use is it to campaign as a conservative and have somewhat of a record on being conservative but not follow through when elected president?
Did I miss something, is GW running, I thought the question concerned Trump.

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Vote for a Texas Conservative, was a vote for a Presidency that had amnesty for illegal aliens on the table, got involved in a war that accelerated the persecution of Christians most closely associated with Jesus Christ, Iraqi Christians and yes, that started during that administration, Thanks Dubya and helped inflame sectarianism throughout the region.
Did I miss something, is GW running, I thought the question concerned Trump.

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Clinton Bush, gets us in wars.

Trump, the NY Liberal who told the Generals, have a solution to ISIS in 30 days, we get it.
Trump hasn't told the Generals diddly squat, all he has done is make more politician campaign promises,he aint been elected, at least not yet. But at least this time you said something about Trump.
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Did I miss something, is GW running, I thought the question concerned Trump.

Liberals and leftover Ron Paul mob zombies have an eternal hard on to eschew Bush as Satan incarnate.

I find it amusing they continue to do that so as to play apologist for the NY liberal Democrat running on the GOP ticket.
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Liberals and leftover Ron Paul mob zombies have an eternal hard on to eschew Bush as Satan incarnate.

I find it amusing they continue to do that so as to play apologist for the NY liberal Democrat running on the GOP ticket.
Well I have my issues with GW, no one one is perfect and certainly not him, but the one one thing I never doubted was his love for America, and I doubt that greatly about Trump because he will never ever get beyond his love of self.

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In my wildest dreams , both Trump and Hillary quit, resign.

We go back to the drawing board and this time find two decent candidates.

Then I wake up and it's just a dream.  888cryingkitty
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Wouldn't that be nice.

I like that crying kitty.  Cute.


Thank you. I feel like that sometimes about this election. I just don't understand with all the millions of people in this country who are eligible to run - we get two who shouldn't even run for dog catcher. Where Are all the great leaders in the country? Are they too scared to run? 
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Oh I apologize if my last post hijacked the thread......I was just venting.
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Change my mind? That ship has long since sailed.

However, I'd shut up ACTIVE opposition to him if he managed to go two entire weeks without saying something stupid or flip flopping.
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Did I miss something, is GW running, I thought the question concerned Trump.

I believe that TomSea thinks that calling Bush a Christian killer makes his beloved Trump's amorality and debauchery look better.

He did the same thing in bashing Reagan for abortion to defend Trump's being a pro-partial birth abortion monster.

You have to lie quite a bit to make Trump look like a moral choice and TomSea does it relentlessly.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Change my mind? That ship has long since sailed.

However, I'd shut up ACTIVE opposition to him if he managed to go two entire weeks without saying something stupid or flip flopping.

How about two hours?  Or maybe even two minutes?  **nononono*
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Oh I apologize if my last post hijacked the thread......I was just venting.

It's a vent the majority of us share, @Freya .

We all want to wake up from this nightmare election where the two worst human beings on earth are the nominees of the two major parties.

And for the record, there's not a thing that Trump could do to persuade me to vote for him.

He has a 70 year record of being a reprobate leftist and a liar, so nothing he does now could possibly change my mind.

I don't believe a word he says.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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I agree.  I think it is rotten how Trump, vying to be the slammer-in-chief, has slammed Bush for pretty much everything he did.  That's why I chose my 9/11 avatar to respect how he handled 9/11.  He did many things very well.  He also had a good heart.  Something I cannot say I ever see in Trump.

I love your avatar photo, and share your view on GW.  I truly think that TomSea's incessant bashing of Bush is that he knows that Bush had character and Trump doesn't and is desperate to make his idol look good in spite of the ugly facts about who he really is.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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Spend ten years as a consistent conservative, supporting no liberals, and championing conservative causes.

Dump Twitter and start acting presidential instead of like a petulant high school sophomore.

Learn something about the world so that he can talk about topics in a coherent and informed manner. Remove the words yuge, tremendous, fantastic, and loser from his vocabulary.

Stop attacking others who demonstrate these qualities.
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It's a vent the majority of us share, @Freya .

We all want to wake up from this nightmare election where the two worst human beings on earth are the nominees of the two major parties.

And for the record, there's not a thing that Trump could do to persuade me to vote for him.

He has a 70 year record of being a reprobate leftist and a liar, so nothing he does now could possibly change my mind.

I don't believe a word he says.

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Spend ten years as a consistent conservative, supporting no liberals, and championing conservative causes.

Dump Twitter and start acting presidential instead of like a petulant high school sophomore.

Learn something about the world so that he can talk about topics in a coherent and informed manner. Remove the words yuge, tremendous, fantastic, and loser from his vocabulary.

Stop attacking others who demonstrate these qualities.

Nice summation.

But we all know it ain't gonna happen.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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Well I have my issues with GW, no one one is perfect and certainly not him, but the one one thing I never doubted was his love for America, and I doubt that greatly about Trump because he will never ever get beyond his love of self.
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