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Who does that @XenaLee?  Speaking for myself, (although I know MANY who agree) .... the point has been reached where I don't care what you do--and certainly would not waste time trying to "win you over".

So relax, dear, and know when I come across one of your postings that I'm smiling and almost LOL reading how important you think you are in the grand scheme of this election.      :laugh:

But bless your heart, @XenaLee.  You keep pointing fingers and grumbling. 

We'll keep winning.

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RIV    ^-^

More passive-aggressive crud.

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Oh, and by the way.....your condescending, sticky sweet-syrupy blather isn't impressing anyone

It sure got your attention @XenaLee.  (That's called a bullseye, dear)


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Bah-bye now.   :seeya:

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It sure got your attention @XenaLee.  (That's called a bullseye, dear)


Game. Set. Match.    888blackhat



Bah-bye now.   :seeya:

Well...yeah.   That usually happens when one uses the "mention" feature to call someone to a post you've made.....as you did there (duh).

I don't know what delusion is causing you to imagine victories here, RIV....but I think I'm starting to feel a little sorry for you.
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We're all going to lose in this round.  The only question is how much.

I don't think there's going to be a qualitative difference either way we lose.....
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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I don't think there's going to be a qualitative difference either way we lose.....

There won't be enough difference to make a difference.  I've read that there's a 60-80% chance we'll lose the Senate.  Game over.
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If your house catches on fire, but you decide to stay in it and let the flames consume you, is that not suicide?
So you would say those who were fired upon and did not get out of the Waco (Mt. Carmel) Building complex were suicides, not murdered by an overzealous government?
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If your plane is going down, but you decide not to use your parachute, is that not suicide?
70% of the planet is covered by water. In much of the rest of it, for most people, only a miserable death remains from the arctic cold, jungle critters, dehydration in the desert, or an alpine death. Some of us would fight to stay alive and quite probably die a miserable death. Others might accept the more rapid outcome.
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If you're about to be struck down with an axe, but you don't turn aside from the blow, have you not committed suicide?
None of those involves compulsion, only acts of misfortune or violence.

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This is one reason committing suicide was so popular for early Christians...they recognized Jesus has done so.  Remember, it wasn't until centuries after Jesus was gone that the Church politics got involved and reversed things at the First Council of Braga, with the first anti-suicide statement.*
Actually, the church condemned suicide at the Council of Arles in 452, well before the First Council of Braga in 561. Suicide involves committing an act which leads to one's death.

Even the modern iteration of having to push a button or flip a switch requires an act on the part of the person who kills themself.

Being killed by someone else may on occasion be considered self-sacrifice, but suicide? If a soldier is killed trying to retrieve a wounded comrade under fire, is that suicide? How about being killed in action in a volunteer army? How about a First Responder who is crushed by debris? Would you say the firemen on 9/11 were suicides? The priest who gave last rites to the dead and dying who had jumped? Those in the Pentagon who could not run from the office to safety and maybe looked at the oncoming plane? Your examples are flawed.

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We don't even have to go to Jesus for that, though.  Even Augustine admitted that the coerced suicides were...suicides.  For example, the virgins who killed themselves to avoid defilement by Roman soldiers or to avoid being forced to offer pagan sacrifice (e.g., Saint Pelagia of Antioch) were suicides, albeit to avoid compulsions.
Now you are getting closer, because these involve refusal to be compelled to do something.
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The bottom line is that we should get angry at those who would try to compel us to action that is repulsive to us.*this was along with things like excommunicating priests who didn't eat meat broth with their vegetables, so it was more politics than Biblically based.
Oh, I'm plenty angry. I never hired anyone who supported Obama, and now the pool of prospects has thinned considerably. That is just one thing going forward.

But I will not be compelled. You can't make me. You can kill me, but you can't make me. There are limits to the power of any tyrant wannabe if people only refuse to comply.
If I am killed for not complying, that is a definitive act by someone else who would perform an act leading to my death because I refused to be compelled to violate my principles, abandon my God, to sin. Had they not performed that act, I would live. My death is the direct result of their willingness to murder me or get me to submit. Failure to submit is not suicide, my death would be murder.  Matt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
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I don't think there's going to be a qualitative difference either way we lose.....

Oh, but yes there is:
In one way, the enemy is outside the gate.
in the other, the enemy is within.

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@skeeter

You have to be kidding! The one thing in the world Trump fears more than anything else is being identified as a loser. He is a narcissistic sociopath,and his whole life is dedicated to presenting himself as the biggest,the strongest,and the smartest creature on the planet. Hell,he even "knows all the "best" words.

He would literally rather die than lose this big in front of the whole planet and not be able to deny losing.

He has recently started setting the stage for his withdrawal by claiming the election is rigged.

I will admit there is a SLIM possibility his ego MAY convince him that "I am a winner,have always been a winner,and will win now!" and not step down,but I just don't see him even being willing to take  a chance of losing on stage and in front of the world.

Losing is for losers,and The Donald is a winner.
Oh, he could spin it like a pulsar. You think he wouldn't stand there next to Hillary at the inaugural ball and brag about how he took down those GOP suckers for the first woman president? It'd be Yuuge!!
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Oh, but yes there is:
In one way, the enemy is outside the gate.
in the other, the enemy is within.

Don't look now....but the enemy has been "within" the WH walls for almost eight years now.   And solidly embedded within the halls of Congress for over a decade (some would say multiple decades) now.  Our only hope was a true-blue and solid conservative as president and retaining control of the Senate.  So much for that.
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Oh, he could spin it like a pulsar. You think he wouldn't stand there next to Hillary at the inaugural ball and brag about how he took down those GOP suckers for the first woman president? It'd be Yuuge!!

@Smokin Joe

I have no doubt at all he would get sexually excited at the mere thought.

Not sure Bubbette!'s international bankers would let him get away with it,though. IMHO,they ain't quite ready to "go public" yet.

They might let him get away to alluding to having done that,but doing it while standing next to her in front of TV cameras would weaken her grip on her "peeps". Even fools don't like having it pointed out to them they were played for fools.

I wouldn't even be surprised if someone whacked him if he did that. Hell,it would play right into the globalist scheme to ban guns if someone were to shoot him.
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Don't look now....but the enemy has been "within" the WH walls for almost eight years now.   And solidly embedded within the halls of Congress for over a decade (some would say multiple decades) now.  Our only hope was a true-blue and solid conservative as president and retaining control of the Senate.  So much for that.

Longer than that. Goes back to King Franklin initially,and the next one to take up the globalist banner was Jim-Mah Carter,followed by Poppy Bush. We haven't had a President that wasn't a globalist since Poppy was elected.

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Longer than that. Goes back to King Franklin initially,and the next one to take up the globalist banner was Jim-Mah Carter,followed by Poppy Bush. We haven't had a President that wasn't a globalist since Poppy was elected.

@XenaLee

Perhaps.   But at least....before the rats took control of Congress in 2007....collapsed the economy and then sleazed Barry into the WH....we had never had an anti-American muzzie-appeaser CIC before.
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Don't look now....but the enemy has been "within" the WH walls for almost eight years now.   And solidly embedded within the halls of Congress for over a decade (some would say multiple decades) now.  Our only hope was a true-blue and solid conservative as president and retaining control of the Senate.  So much for that.

I was speaking of the Conservative Castle (subliminal intended). Hillary will in no wise be considered to be wearing the Conservative mantle, whereas Trump will. Whatever bull-in-a-china-shop escapades Trump may sally forth upon will be laid squarely at our feet.

If he (or Romney, or McCain, etc) is allowed to define Conservatism, our doom is sealed, as there will be no opposition to liberalism at all, as the past eight years should well define.

Nothing will change without Trump going down in flames, and GOP leadership giving up the levers of power. Until CONSERVATIVES hold the RNC, and the House and senate leadership, all we are doing is arranging the deck chars.

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I have no doubt at all he would get sexually excited at the mere thought.

Not sure Bubbette!'s international bankers would let him get away with it,though. IMHO,they ain't quite ready to "go public" yet.

They might let him get away to alluding to having done that,but doing it while standing next to her in front of TV cameras would weaken her grip on her "peeps". Even fools don't like having it pointed out to them they were played for fools.

I wouldn't even be surprised if someone whacked him if he did that. Hell,it would play right into the globalist scheme to ban guns if someone were to shoot him.
It has crossed my mind that the stage could be being set for something like that, false flag or not. Some of those skinhead boys don't take being played for a fool lightly. Nothing would sway the Trumpian legions more toward that one more liberal policy than a martyrdom, followed by the inevitable sh*tstorm of legislative proposals and her, sitting at the resolute desk playing with the pen.
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C S Lewis

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Perhaps.   But at least....before the rats took control of Congress in 2007....collapsed the economy and then sleazed Barry into the WH....we had never had an anti-American muzzie-appeaser CIC before.


@XenaLee

The Dims controlled Congress for more than 75 years before the Republicans took it over. Immediately following the Republican takeover,many Dims deserted the Dim Party and became "instant Republicans" so they could stay in power and so they could subvert the Republicans and take over again with a "R" behind their names. Same critters,same goals,the only difference being the Big Red "R" behind their names.
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I wasn't aware of that particular Sean BS, but he was already 'dead to me' due to his constant fawning over and paving the way for The Don.  It figures that he also has become unethical and underhanded though....now that he's hanging with and stumping for Trump.

Hannity is so sickening with his adoration of Trump on his program that I don't watch it anymore, and that goes for Greta, too.  I turn the TV on in the bedroom when I go to bed, (it's on a timer), and last night when I turned it on, there he was telling lies about Clinton, said she likes women to wear Muslim Habibs and Burkas because she met with those women in Saudi Arabia and showed a picture of her sitting with two ladies in that country.  However, with Hannity, every word Trump says and what he does, is golden, no questioning anything he does.  I switched channels.

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Hannity is so sickening with his adoration of Trump on his program that I don't watch it anymore, and that goes for Greta, too.  I turn the TV on in the bedroom when I go to bed, (it's on a timer), and last night when I turned it on, there he was telling lies about Clinton, said she likes women to wear Muslim Habibs and Burkas because she met with those women in Saudi Arabia and showed a picture of her sitting with two ladies in that country.  However, with Hannity, every word Trump says and what he does, is golden, no questioning anything he does.  I switched channels.

Jeanne Pirro was screeching that we all have to support Trump after NH.

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Jeanne Pirro was screeching that we all have to support Trump after NH.

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He starts his new reality show "The Lounge Singer"




www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7JcKKej0DI

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still campaigning in states he has no shot of winning, this time Washington State

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@skeeter

You have to be kidding! The one thing in the world Trump fears more than anything else is being identified as a loser. He is a narcissistic sociopath,and his whole life is dedicated to presenting himself as the biggest,the strongest,and the smartest creature on the planet. Hell,he even "knows all the "best" words.

He would literally rather die than lose this big in front of the whole planet and not be able to deny losing.

He has recently started setting the stage for his withdrawal by claiming the election is rigged.

I will admit there is a SLIM possibility his ego MAY convince him that "I am a winner,have always been a winner,and will win now!" and not step down,but I just don't see him even being willing to take  a chance of losing on stage and in front of the world.

Losing is for losers,and The Donald is a winner.

That is a very interesting theory.  I could see Trump doing that.

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@XenaLee

The Dims controlled Congress for more than 75 years before the Republicans took it over. Immediately following the Republican takeover,many Dims deserted the Dim Party and became "instant Republicans" so they could stay in power and so they could subvert the Republicans and take over again with a "R" behind their names. Same critters,same goals,the only difference being the Big Red "R" behind their names.

Yeah, and I hate to say it....but.....with the help of Hillary's friend, The Don, they may regain control of Congress for another 75 years.   Look at the level of ignorance and apathy among the current crop of younger voters now. 
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Yeah, and I hate to say it....but.....with the help of Hillary's friend, The Don, they may regain control of Congress for another 75 years.   Look at the level of ignorance and apathy among the current crop of younger voters now.
Ignorance comes from a Liberal education. Apathy from only having Liberals to vote for...

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Jeanne Pirro was screeching that we all have to support Trump after NH.

@Cripplecreek

I stopped watching Pirro on the weekends because she is now screeching/yelling all the time, her voice would drown out a nuclear blast, and one would think she is having a love affair with Trump.  When she is out on the street in front of his Trump building, interviewing people, she yells even louder and is in love with the gold on the front of the building.  She is as sickening as Hannity.

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More passive-aggressive crud.
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There is one good thing about RIV, she looks great in "IGNORE".
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