Nationalism versus Globalism - the real battle

[Richardtavor]

I am posting my reply to a prior post for comments:

Most people have been completely misguided by the Media.  These attacks and elections are not concerning Republican versus Democrat, or even Liberal versus conservative.  They are concerning belief in the Principles of the Constitution and how it spells out a totally new form of Goverment - a Republican form by a strict interpretation that can only be changed by a Super Majority Vote.  The original rebellion that caused the new goverment was an issue of Nationalism versus Globalism.  In that day, the World Globalism was controlled by the British Empire and the Colonies broke away with their own Brexit.  That is the common thread to all that would attempt to destroy Nation States in order to reconstitute them into a common collective.  That was the common goal of Communism, Socialism, Liberalism and all other forms of philosphies that would make Freedom irrelevant..  Brexit occured for the same battle.  Globalism  is the common goal for Black Lives Matter, the BDS Movement against Israel, Occuppy Wall Street, and the Open Society Folks that are directed by George Soros. Black Lives Matter has nothing  to do with Blacks, The BDS has nothing to do with the Palestinians or their quest for statehood..the American electorate has been crying for a Messiah and many are convinced that Trump is one, or Hillary is one,etc.  We are all being played for suckers.  I will judge each candidate for the values that they hold dear that I agree with.  If a candidate does not meet that criteria, then I will not vote for the candidate.  If that makes me a hard ass, then so be it.  I am not a 'never Trump, or never Hillary.  I am for the Constitution and those who will defend..  I, like many in this country, swore an oath to it.  That means something to me.  My vote is too important to me to think otherwise.

[geronl]

Trump is a globalist establishmentarian pretending to be a nationalist and the ignorant sheeple fall for it

[ABX]

Nationalists and Globalists are both cut from the same collectivist cloth. They are both anti-individualist anti-Constitutional. They put the sovereignty of a government power (national or international) above the rights of individuals.

[geronl]

Nationalists and Globalists are both cut from the same collectivist cloth. They are both anti-individualist anti-Constitutional. They put the sovereignty of a government power (national or international) above the rights of individuals.

Exactly I want minimum government or at least a society based on individualism instead of government power

[Stosh]

What the two "top" candidates know or understand about the Constitution put together would not get them a passing grade in 6th grade American History (if they even still teach it...)

[dfwgator]

Nationalists and Globalists are both cut from the same collectivist cloth. They are both anti-individualist anti-Constitutional. They put the sovereignty of a government power (national or international) above the rights of individuals.

Still, I would take a Nationalist over a Globalist any day of the week.

[ABX]

Still, I would take a Nationalist over a Globalist any day of the week.

Both would say your rights are subversive to the needs of the State (be it national or international).

Don't let yourself be cornered into a false dichotomy trap of nationalist or globalist as if that is the only choice one can have. It is OK to say you don't want either and don't accept either.

Plus, our Constitutional form of government is anti-Nationalist (it is a Federalist/Individualist), so if someone is running on a Nationlist platform here, it is against what you most likely stand for that makes our nation really great. (too many also confuse Patriotism with Nationalism).

[dfwgator]

Both would say your rights are subversive to the needs of the State (be it national or international).

Don't let yourself be cornered into a false dichotomy trap of nationalist or globalist as if that is the only choice one can have. It is OK to say you don't want either and don't accept either.

Plus, our Constitutional form of government is anti-Nationalist (it is a Federalist/Individualist), so if someone is running on a Nationlist platform here, it is against what you most likely stand for that makes our nation really great. (too many also confuse Patriotism with Nationalism).

Not all Nationalism is bad.  The devil's in the details.   I mean the kind of Nationalism where the government puts the needs of its' CITIZENS first.

[Cripplecreek]

Nationalists and Globalists are both cut from the same collectivist cloth. They are both anti-individualist anti-Constitutional. They put the sovereignty of a government power (national or international) above the rights of individuals.

Exactly. I want a government that leaves me alone, I don't want globalists OR nationalists looking over my shoulder to make sure I'm putting their interests first.

[Oceander]

Still, I would take a Nationalist over a Globalist any day of the week.

Really?  You do know who the most (in)famous nationalists were, don't you?

[Oceander]

Not all Nationalism is bad.  The devil's in the details.   I mean the kind of Nationalism where the government puts the needs of its' CITIZENS first.

Nationalism is not where the government puts the needs of its citizens first.  Nationalism is an overarching political ideology that puts "us" - a particular ethnic group, usually - over "them" - the rest of the universe - and holds that "us" is morally superior to "them" and "us" have claims on the resources of the world that are superior to the claims of "them".  Nationalism is also a collectivist ideology.  It subsumes the individual into the national collective; the individual's duty is to the nation, and the individual can be readily sacrificed for the benefit of the national collective.

[ABX]

Not all Nationalism is bad.  The devil's in the details.   I mean the kind of Nationalism where the government puts the needs of its' CITIZENS first.

The problem is the line is very narrow in putting the collective need over the individual. That's how we get obamacare, etc. In many way the Democrats are Nationalist in the way you describe, putting the needs of the citiziens (emphasis on plural or as a collective group) first- they just put them first over the individual.

[Cripplecreek]

The problem is the line is very narrow in putting the collective need over the individual. That's how we get obamacare, etc. In many way the Democrats are Nationalist in the way you describe, putting the needs of the citiziens (emphasis on plural or as a collective group) first- they just put them first over the individual.

National socialist party planks. There's a specific carve out for the common good over the individual good.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

[Doug Loss]

Not all Nationalism is bad.  The devil's in the details.   I mean the kind of Nationalism where the government puts the needs of its' CITIZENS first.

I want a government that doesn't even consider the needs of the citizens outside of those limited arenas in which the people have given it authority to act.  I want a president like Grover Cleveland, who routinely vetoed legislation put before him with messages similar to this one: "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."

[Cripplecreek]

I want a government that doesn't even consider the needs of the citizens outside of those limited arenas in which the people have given it authority to act.  I want a president like Grover Cleveland, who routinely vetoed legislation put before him with messages similar to this one: "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."

That's what I call Coolidge conservatism but it is indeed what I want.