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Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« on: August 23, 2016, 02:49:03 pm »
Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/08/21/why-did-mylan-hike-epipen-prices-400-because-they-could/#10d7e67c477a
AUG 21, 2016

Mylan pharmaceutical company has a virtual monopoly on EpiPens after a voluntary recall felled their only competitor*, Sanofi’s Auvi-Q, over possible dosage miscalibrations. It’s not the drug being delivered that brings the bucks, though—epinephrine’s a cheap generic. The cost trickery is in the delivery system, the Mylan EpiPen.

The EpiPen’s been around since 1977, but Mylan acquired the autoinjector—which precisely calibrates the epinephrine dosage—in 2007. The patient now pays about 400% more for this advantage to receive a dollar’s worth of the lifesaving drug: EpiPens were about $57 when Mylan acquired it. Today, it can empty pockets of $500 or more in the U.S. (European nations take a different approach to these things).

It’s what the market will bear, so what’s the problem, right? Only this: Somewhere, right now, a cash-strapped parent or budget-limited patient with a severe allergy will skip acquiring an EpiPen. And someday, they will need it in a life-threatening situation involving exposure to a trigger…and they won’t have it. And they will die. Because they couldn’t afford the delivery mechanism for $1 worth of a drug to keep them alive. Two turning points, a death and one company at the crossroads.

According to NBC, Mylan’s profits from selling EpiPens, which they have aggressively, famously marketed with brilliant success, hit $1.2 billion in 2015. That year, Bloomberg reported that the epinephrine-delivery system represented 40% of Mylan’s operating profits. Bloomberg calls Mylan’s marketing of the EpiPen “a textbook case in savvy branding.”

That savvy comes at steep and increasing individual cost. Even after insurance pays, the customer can be out $400 or more for a pack of two pens, a dollar value that can vary depending on how high the deductible is. And most customers need EpiPens for home and at school for their child (Mylan does have a program that offers free EpiPens to U.S. schools). Indeed, guidelines call for prescribing two doses in case the first one fails, which Mylan used as an opportunity to cease selling single pens and begin selling only two-packs. As one parent wrote in response to this article, which has been updated:

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You have left out/misreported one important detail, which is that with a life-threatening allergy, you are supposed to have 2 EpiPens at all times. If you administer one and it is more than 15 minutes before you are in emergency care, you have to administer the second one. So the pack of 2 is not meant to have 1 at school and 1 at home; it is because you need both with you at all times. This means that you need a pack of 2 at school and a pack of 2 at home for each person with severe allergies. In our case, with 2 kids, we have to have 8 at all times: 2 for each child at school and 2 for each child at home, and that is if we don’t even use them! If we do have to use one, we have to purchase more.

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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 02:51:17 pm »
 Maybe if we actually started enforcing Anti-Trust Laws again.

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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 02:57:42 pm »
Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%?

because the CEO is a sleazy douchebag


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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 02:58:40 pm »


"I'm here to take what you've got!"
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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 03:01:13 pm »
because the CEO is a sleazy douchebag


Definitely a Hillary voter.

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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 03:02:29 pm »
Not 'because they could'.  Because the government mandated new regulations around them. In 2010, the government mandated they begin to sell Epipens in 2 packs and people with severe allergies carry 2. Starting in 2014, the government mandated that hotels, restaurants, cruise ships, and resorts keep them on hand. In 2015, the government loosened liability regulations around the use or misuse of Epipens, putting the manufacturer at greater legal risk and their insurance rates to skyrocket.

It isn't 'because they could', it is because they have to keep wrangling with constant government interventionism.

And now everyone is falling in with Chuck Schumer's line that this has to do with anti-trust and monopolies (thus giving the government more power) when government interventionism is what the real problem was.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2016, 03:04:06 pm by AbaraXas »

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 03:05:52 pm »
Definitely a Hillary voter.

hahaha... A Bernie man!

from Open Secrets:

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does this mean they gave the money back??
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 03:07:27 pm »
Not 'because they could'.  Because the government mandated new regulations around them.

The guy is a creep. He gives to the Democrats and they give him guaranteed buyers with their mandates.

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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 03:13:59 pm »
because the CEO is a sleazy douchebag

Except he is not the CEO of Mylan.

http://www.mylan.com/en/company/leadership
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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 03:25:42 pm »
because the CEO is a sleazy douchebag



Wrong CEO.

But if you will read the article, you will see that he had the gall to criticize Mylan, after his company,  Turing Pharmaceuticals, jacked up the Melaria-HIV price 5,000%
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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2016, 03:27:27 pm »
Maybe if we actually started enforcing Anti-Trust Laws again.

Consumers do have access to a generic version of a calibrated delivery device for epinephrine, the Adrenaclick. According to Consumer Reports:

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But EpiPen isn’t the only epinephrine injector on the market; the authorized generic of Adrenaclick (epinephrine auto-injector), is a cheaper option—we found it for $142 at Walmart and Sam’s Club using a coupon from GoodRx. While generic Adrenaclick isn’t the same technology and is used differently than EpiPen, both auto-injectors contain the same drug, epinephrine, available in the same dosages, says Barbara Young, Pharm.D., of the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists.
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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2016, 03:33:08 pm »
It isn't 'because they could', it is because they have to keep wrangling with constant government interventionism.

And now everyone is falling in with Chuck Schumer's line that this has to do with anti-trust and monopolies (thus giving the government more power) when government interventionism is what the real problem was.

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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2016, 03:44:52 pm »
Not 'because they could'.  Because the government mandated new regulations around them. In 2010, the government mandated they begin to sell Epipens in 2 packs and people with severe allergies carry 2. Starting in 2014, the government mandated that hotels, restaurants, cruise ships, and resorts keep them on hand. In 2015, the government loosened liability regulations around the use or misuse of Epipens, putting the manufacturer at greater legal risk and their insurance rates to skyrocket.

It isn't 'because they could', it is because they have to keep wrangling with constant government interventionism.

And now everyone is falling in with Chuck Schumer's line that this has to do with anti-trust and monopolies (thus giving the government more power) when government interventionism is what the real problem was.

I'm really stuck on this one.  I work in HIPAA Compliance and am in hospitals and other health care organizations on a daily basis.  The amount of regulations they deal with is STAGGERING.  The amount of risk of lawsuits for a multitude of reasons is worse.  Throw in the insurance bureaucrats and I'm amazed anyone stays in healthcare.   

That said, when it comes to HIPAA compliance and/or computer security most organizations simply wont do it without a big stick threatening them.  They wont spend the money because its the right thing to do, they wont even do it because its the law.   They will only do whats necessary to avoid govt fines and/or lawsuits.   This isn't really limited to healthcare; no CEO will spend money to protect  your personal information, credit card, financial, or heck even your children's information because its the right thing to do.

They don't care because the boards don't care.   They are more concerned with their numbers than with your data. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 01:12:22 am »
Maybe if we actually started enforcing Anti-Trust Laws again.

Where's the anti-trust violation?  If there's a monopoly, it's a natural monopoly based on the government-sanctioned patent and the failure of their competitor (presumably not due to illegal efforts on the party of Mylan).

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 01:18:17 am »
How can this be solved by increasing freedom?

(I'm going to start asking that with everything)

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 01:27:01 am »
How can this be solved by increasing freedom?

(I'm going to start asking that with everything)

Could always get rid of statutory patents and instead rely on court-developed common law for protection of rights in intellectual property.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 12:26:28 pm »
How can this be solved by increasing freedom?

(I'm going to start asking that with everything)

A generic version already exists at a significantly lower cost.  I don't understand why it isn't used more.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 12:29:47 pm »
Except he is not the CEO of Mylan.

http://www.mylan.com/en/company/leadership
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2016, 12:44:07 pm »
A generic version already exists at a significantly lower cost.  I don't understand why it isn't used more.

I suspect this has something to do with it:

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EpiPen, Adrenaclick, Twinject, and the authorized generic to Adrenaclick have an FDA Orange Book rating of “BX,” indicating that insufficient evidence exists to determine therapeutic equivalence. This rating indicates that these epinephrine auto-injector products are not therapeutically equivalent to each other. For example, the other products should not be substituted and dispensed when EpiPen Auto-Injector is prescribed, unless the prescriber is consulted and agrees to change the prescription.

In addition to the lack of therapeutic equivalence among epinephrine auto-injector products, differences exist between the auto-injector devices’ appearance, administration technique, and dose verification ...

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/p2p/p2pepinephrine-0910

I do know that I have to replace my son's four Epi-Pens in about two weeks, and I will be asking the pediatrician about using a less expensive option.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2016, 12:52:28 pm »

They don't care because the boards don't care.   They are more concerned with their numbers than with your data.

I deal with FERPA data. We walk the line between protecting data and making it easily available. It's almost a joke. The biggest violators are the people charged with enforcing it. They make up arbitrary rules and then ignore them.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2016, 12:53:14 pm »
I suspect this has something to do with it:

I do know that I have to replace my son's four Epi-Pens in about two weeks, and I will be asking the pediatrician about using a less expensive option.

Let us know.  My wife's are about to pass their expiration date this winter.

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2016, 12:58:06 pm »
Let us know.  My wife's are about to pass their expiration date this winter.

@Wingnut  I will do that.
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Re: Why Did Mylan Hike EpiPen Prices 400%? Because They Could
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2016, 01:04:12 pm »
I suspect this has something to do with it:

I do know that I have to replace my son's four Epi-Pens in about two weeks, and I will be asking the pediatrician about using a less expensive option.

I wonder how much Mylan "influenced" the FDA to get the "BX" ratings of alternatives.  The medicine is identical.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2016, 01:06:49 pm »
I wonder how much Mylan "influenced" the FDA to get the "BX" ratings of alternatives.  The medicine is identical.

I did some reading last week and it seems the drug is the same.  But the delivery system and steps to inject are different. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2016, 01:09:21 pm »
I wonder how much Mylan "influenced" the FDA to get the "BX" ratings of alternatives.  The medicine is identical.

"I wonder how much Mylan "influenced" the FDA to get the "BX" ratings of alternatives.  The medicine is identical."

The relationship between these big companies and govt regulators is very very VERY incestuous.  Not much happens as far as regulation that these big companies don't sign off on.   Because the govt people might want a job when they leave the govt.  A very well paying job.
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