Steve Bannon, Trump's Top Guy, Told Me He Was A 'Leninist' Who Wants To 'Destroy the State'

[XenaLee]

Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire isn't a good idea!

And choosing between one hellish future or another isn't a good "choice".  Yet.....some would have us believe that we have a 'good choice'.  Yeah.  Great.  Great "again".

So America now has a "choice" between a totalitarian nationalist (channeling Adolph?)....

and a Maoism communist.

It's always sooo nice to have a choice, eh?

[ABX]

And choosing between one hellish future or another isn't a good "choice".  Yet.....some would have us believe that we have a 'good choice'.  Yeah.  Great.  Great "again".

So America now has a "choice" between a totalitarian nationalist (channeling Adolph?)....

and a Maoism communist.

It's always sooo nice to have a choice, eh?

And now you know what William F Buckley's statement about Conservationism as standing athwart history yelling Stop! means. It wasn't about stopping technology or innovation.

[XenaLee]

And now you know what William F Buckley's statement about Conservationism as standing athwart history yelling Stop! means. It wasn't about stopping technology or innovation.

Of course not.   But, correct me if I'm wrong......wasn't Buckley being demonized at TOS by the Trumpists ......all in the name of protecting, defending and mostly pushing their little tin god as the ""answer to our prayers""?  Coulda sworn....

Even the most stalwart and respected conservatives have been trashed ....all in the name of forcing The Don upon America.

[INVAR]

In my opinion Trump is just a typical Fabian socialist. Fabian socialism is the socialism of the rich who want to remake the world to make themselves even richer and the rest of us are little more than obstacles to be overcome.

All of them are the bastard children of Fabians, under whichever doctrine of Statism they prefer.

[rodamala]

The problem is, what type of new party does Bannon envision?

A Lemon Party.

[Sanguine]

Not all change is good. It must be change back to the ideals of this country and it must be carried out in the right fashion.

“There was just such a man when I was young—an Austrian who invented a new way of life and convinced himself that he was the chap to make it work. He tried to impose his reformation by the sword, and plunged the civilized world into misery and chaos. But the thing which this fellow had overlooked, my friend, was that he had a predecessor in the reformation business, called Jesus Christ. Perhaps we may assume that Jesus knew as much as the Austrian did about saving people. But the odd thing is that Jesus did not turn the disciples into storm troopers, burn down the Temple at Jerusalem, and fix the blame on Pontius Pilate. On the contrary, he made it clear that the business of the philosopher was to make ideas available, and not to impose them on people.”
― Merlin from The Once and Future King by T. H. White

One of my favorite books. 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

One of my favorite books.

Mine too. It explains everything (well almost). It's achieved status in at least my 'top 10 books I recommend everyone read' if not in the top 5.

[INVAR]

Most of you have railed against the current political system and the the complicit media for years yet, now that someone wants to change it.......

Trump is not talking about change BACK to Constitutional republicanism, or facilitating change from within the bounds of Constitutionality - Trump offers 'change' in the context of mobocracy and decree or diktat.

Makes him as bad or worse than Hillary in my estimation.

[ABX]

A Lemon Party.

...and for those of the more innocent persuasion, do not Google that.

[geronl]

Trump is not talking about change BACK to Constitutional republicanism, or facilitating change from within the bounds of Constitutionality - Trump offers 'change' in the context of mobocracy and decree or diktat.

Makes him as bad or worse than Hillary in my estimation.

The Constitution is worthless to the Trumpists, just ask Laura Ingraham (Professor of Heiling Salutes at Trump University)

[Cripplecreek]

...and for those of the more innocent persuasion, do not Google that.

So you're saying that Bannon is a Lemonist?

[Norm Lenhart]

So you're saying that Bannon is a Lemonist?

One word:

"Milo"

You tell me.

[wolfcreek]

Again, I ask the question, "Change it into what?"  Saying you're for change isn't enough... after all, Obama did that. Let's hear the plan for what comes after, if there is one.

To an actual two party system and a media that was unbiased and actually kept POLs on their toes.

Make America Great AGAIN!

[wolfcreek]

Change for change sake isn't always good. Often, when people take radical action because they 'hope for change', the consequences are worse. Bernie Sanders rails against the current political system, but we don't want the change he is promising. George Soros and the Fabians rail against the current political system and promise change. Do you want their change?

When a cancerous tumor changes to become malignant, that change is not good.

When HIV changes your immune system and becomes AIDs, that change is not good.

Often people are so obsessed with change, they overlook what they are changing to.

But, y'all were all for it before. I want it back the way it was before the Progressives made it the way it is now. [100+ years]

[wolfcreek]

Trump is not talking about change BACK to Constitutional republicanism, or facilitating change from within the bounds of Constitutionality - Trump offers 'change' in the context of mobocracy and decree or diktat.

Makes him as bad or worse than Hillary in my estimation.

How would you go about changing what the Progressives have accomplished.

I don't even see anyone coming close to changing a thing. As a matter of fact, most of you [including myself on occasion] are frightened by change.

[Ghost Bear]

To an actual two party system and a media that was unbiased and actually kept POLs on their toes.

Make America Great AGAIN!

... I'd laugh, but you seem serious.



... well OK, good luck with that.

[wolfcreek]

... I'd laugh, but you seem serious.



... well OK, good luck with that.

Then you have nothing. [but a fake Indian name]

[ABX]

But, y'all were all for it before. I want it back the way it was before the Progressives made it the way it is now. [100+ years]

I don't know what you mean by 'y'all were all for it before', I don't know of anyone here who was after the kind of change that Obama brought and has been wrought for a while. If you want 'it' back, the last thing you should want is a corrupt, cronyist, big government guy who disregards the Constitution and just plays the DC game.

I guess you didn't see today, he totally flip flopped on Immigration saying that his plan would be very much like Obama's plan. How about those apples?

[wolfcreek]

I don't know what you mean by 'y'all were all for it before', I don't know of anyone here who was after the kind of change that Obama brought and has been wrought for a while. If you want 'it' back, the last thing you should want is a corrupt, cronyist, big government guy who disregards the Constitution and just plays the DC game.

I guess you didn't see today, he totally flip flopped on Immigration saying that his plan would be very much like Obama's plan. How about those apples?

 I'm sure more than a few voters would like that change of stance.

[ABX]

Got a link?

Here you go.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,221856.0.html

His own interview with Bill O'Reilly last night- his own words, not someone speculating what he means by them. There is a lot more at the link from that thread too. He is turning so fast to the left, you would think he drives for NASCAR.

[wolfcreek]

Here you go.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,221856.0.html

His own interview with Bill O'Reilly last night- his own words, not someone speculating what he means by them. There is a lot more at the link from that thread too. He is turning so fast to the left, you would think he drives for NASCAR.

Obama has deported more than any POTUS. I would imagine most people would want that to continue. Might get trump more votes.

His big thing has always been the Wall.

[ABX]

Obama has deported more than any POTUS. I would imagine most people would want that to continue. Might get trump more votes.

His big thing has always been the Wall.

Except he hasn't. Even the liberal LA Times says he lies about this. Deportations are actually down 40%.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

So Trump, in his own words, wants to keep doing the same.

[Sanguine]

Obama has deported more than any POTUS. I would imagine most people would want that to continue. Might get trump more votes.

His big thing has always been the Wall.

Where on earth did you get that idea?

[Ghost Bear]

Then you have nothing. [but a fake Indian name]

I tried to stay polite, but ok. 

Your idea that electing Trump can fix everything wrong with the U.S. is simple-minded in the extreme. We've gotten to where we are through a process of deteriorating formal and moral education over the last 50-60 years. The only way to turn it around is to change the way we are educating our children, and then to continue educating them properly for 40 years or so. If we do that, the country will correct itself naturally.

I don't expect it to happen. No candidate has identified the problem, let alone proposed the correct solutions. So I expect that the country will continue its downward spiral regardless of the outcome of this election.

If you think that electing Trump will change any of that, well... good luck to you. You'll need it.

I guess I still managed to stay polite, mostly... and I only had to "bite my tongue" two or three times...

[INVAR]

How would you go about changing what the Progressives have accomplished.

Supporting a strong-man budding dictator who has indicated he will rule by decree, utilize the politics of personal destruction and intimidation to get his way simply because that is how he conducted his private industry is anathema to everything I believe in and stand for.

It took a 100 years for the Fabian Socialists to get us to this point. We're not going to be able to change what they have accomplished in one, two, five or ten election cycles.  More than half the population WANTS Statism and Communism.

Change the culture - you will eventually change the government.  Voting is not how you do that.

It's how despots are made and genocides are waged.

I don't even see anyone coming close to changing a thing. As a matter of fact, most of you [including myself on occasion] are frightened by change.

Interesting.  That was the same criticism Obama gave the country in 2008. 

We don't want change for 'change' sake.  We're not interested in vengeance Populism.  We want to REVERT the government back to it's Constitutional bounds and limitations.  We're not interested in a 'glorious' destroy-it-all revolution whereby we will rebuild the nation in Trump's image, or Hildabeast's image and simply move chairs around on the deck and appoint a monarchy and dynasty to rule us.

Little to none of that is going to happen at the ballot box.

A people have to be educated about the responsibilities of maintaining liberty before they can have it.

Trump and Hildabeast merely divide this people further against one another.