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Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« on: August 13, 2016, 02:33:55 am »
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Does Hannity want Trump to win?

Jonah Goldberg
August 12, 2016

Dear Reader (including my Vanilla Ice, because we now live in a world where that’s possible),

This is an honest question: Does Sean Hannity want Hillary Clinton to be president? I don’t get it.

And, to borrow a trope from President Obama, let me be clear about being clear for clarity’s sake: I’m not referring to the entirely valid, 100 percent correct, indisputably sound argument that it was batsh*t crazy to nominate this guy in the first place. What’s done is done and Sean Hannity will no doubt one day receive the Golden Hair Helmet for his Stakhanovite effort to get Donald Trump the nomination. Let no one forget his yeoman service in the cause to blow up the Republican party and empty a septic tank into the ground water of the conservative movement.

The Presidential Lie

But, again, that is not what I have in mind.

For more than a year Trump and his choir assured everyone that he would indeed “pivot” and become more presidential.

As he told Hannity: “At the right time, I will be so presidential that you’ll call me and you’ll say, ‘Donald, you have to stop that, it’s too much.’”

“As I get closer and closer to the goal, it’s going to get different,” he told Greta Van Susteren in February. “I will be changing very rapidly. I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to.”

As I wrote last week, this was always a lie (and a ridiculous thing to say even if it weren’t). Trump can no more promise to be presidential than a leopard can promise to be a top-loading washing machine that runs on good intentions when in energy-saver mode (did I get that phrase wrong?).

But as 8 trillion eggs on Twitter keep telling me, what I think doesn’t matter. But Sean believed it. Hannity even suggested in that interview that the real Trump — the one Hannity has known for years — is the presidential one. Hannity in effect seconded Trump’s own assurance that Trump could change instantly into a mainstream, mature candidate whenever he wanted.

Many honest and decent people pocketed this IOU of presidentialness. In fact, this promise of a new, disciplined Trump seemed to be the only thing that kept Hugh Hewitt off suicide watch.

Never Mind

Since last week’s “news”letter, Trump has now stated unequivocally that he won’t change his style one bit. Either his a**hole-at-the-end-of-the-bar routine pays off or it doesn’t. “At the end, it’s either going to work or I’m going to, you know, I’m going to have a very, very nice long vacation,” Trump told CNBC. A couple days before that, he basically said the same thing to Fox Business. And, as if to underscore that point, that same day he went and made his “joke” about “Second Amendment people.”

When I heard that, I wanted to call Hugh’s producer Duane, and suggest that he confiscate Hugh’s belt and shoelaces.

So here’s the thing. As Hugh and other reluctant Trump backers have conceded countless times, if Trump doesn’t change he will lose. Badly. Even his fanboys know this — which is why the “stabbed in the back” tantrums against Trump opponents are intensifying.

For instance, in his most sincere “I’m really serious you guys!” voice, Sean Hannity says he will hold conservative Trump opponents “accountable” for Hillary’s victory. No really.

Maybe he can get some kind of tribunal going? “The Trial of the NeverTrumpers with Sean Hannity” would surely make for some boffo ratings.

Selling to the Sold

But here’s the thing. And I do not mean this as an insult to Sean (though if he wants to take it as one, I won’t lose too much sleep over it): No one who doesn’t already love Donald Trump is listening to Hannity (or Laura Ingraham, never mind the lower echelons of Donald Trump’s praetorian guard) about the topic of Donald Trump. No one. (Just as no one who went all-in for Cheeto Jesus is paying any attention to me either — which is fine. The Big Sort of the Trump era is useful in this regard.)

Sean’s threats and bullying are for the entertainment benefit of an audience that doesn’t need threats or bullying — they’re already in love with Trump. Except as an exercise in masochism, why would someone horrified by Trump watch Sean’s nightly Trump Hour brought to you by special guest director Roger Stone? Except maybe for the health updates on Hillary Clinton?

There are simply no gettable Trump-skeptical voters paying attention to Hannity or the other Trumpian party enforcers. The tantrums directed at the #NeverTrump crowd are for internal consumption, blame shifting, conscience-easing, and maybe to lay the groundwork for a purge of the new national-populist GOP.

But the really important point is that, the “let’s root out the kulaks” zeal enflaming the folks in Breitbart World notwithstanding, the simple fact is that Trump isn’t losing because of the #NeverTrump brigades. He’s losing because millions of people who don’t know or care about people like me don’t like the guy or are nervous about him.

Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, Jim Treacher, Guy Benson, Ben Shapiro, Erick Erickson, John Podhoretz, Steve Hayes, George Will, and Peggy Noonan (on the odd-numbered weeks when she doesn’t like Trump) could endorse Trump tomorrow and he’d still be drowning with college-educated Republicans, women, minorities, et al.

Why? Because he’s making a fool of himself, daily. It’s as if he lost his car keys in his rectum and he’s looking for them face first.

I get that this is very hard for some people to hear. It’s a bit like the clichéd Jewish mother who just doesn’t understand how anyone could not love her boy. As Mrs. Seinfeld put it to Jerry, “How could anyone not like you?”

I watch Trump talking like he should be pushing a shopping cart under the West Side Highway, and think, “How can anybody take this guy seriously?” But, hey, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

Winning by Losing

Which brings me back to my question: Why does Hannity want Hillary to win?

Rather than hold Trump to his promise to pivot, Hannity is defending Trump’s shtick.

Hannity hosts a nightly infomercial for a product the customers have already bought. Why not expend some energy trying to change the product so that others will buy it, too? Would that be too much like asking the crowds at the Coliseum to downgrade their lust for spectacle? Do you think Trump’s hardcore supporters are so selfish that they won’t tolerate even a little sanity and sobriety from the nominee, if only to beat Hillary?

Give these people some credit for Pete’s sake. I’ve seen a bunch of interviews with attendees of Trump rallies who say they’d like to see more discipline from Trump. I know they want to defeat Hillary.
The simple fact is this: Trump will not win unless he changes. He needs to reassure the skeptics. He needs to win-over people not already won-over. He needs new, serious, material. But like an aging has-been rocker, he’d rather keep playing his greatest hits at Indian casinos and state fairs than actually put in the work and pivot.

But Hannity doesn’t seem to care. Trump is sabotaging his own campaign every single day, and yet his supporters put the blame on everyone else and cheer Trump on. They are Trump’s worst enemies because they are enabling him and by enabling him, they are sabotaging Trump’s campaign. If Hannity really loved Trump, he would play Ben Affleck to Matt Damon’s Will Hunting and tell him he owes it to himself and the country to be more than what he is.

Hannity should pull Trump aside and tell him, “The best part of my day are those few minutes every morning before I look at the newspaper or turn on the TV, when I think, ‘Hey, maybe today’s the day Donald Trump doesn’t beclown himself.’”

So, again: Why, Sean? Why? Doesn’t Trump listen to you? Didn’t you believe him when he promised you all those times that he can and will pivot? If you did, why aren’t you angry with him for lying to your face and your audience? Why are you happy to let him continue to pander to crowds that will already vote for him rather than make the slightest effort to persuade a constituency that would put him over the top?

Do you think Trump is lying when he says he could be presidential if he wanted to? If so, isn’t that a source of concern? I mean, if he can’t act presidential for 24 hours as a candidate, are you confident he can be presidential for four years? Why not publicly ask him to try to be a serious person for a week? Let’s see if he can do that. Hey, I’ll tell you what. If he can manage that I’ll reconsider my #NeverTrump position.

Unless, the issue is that you know he can’t be presidential, so you don’t want to risk asking him to be. Or maybe you just prefer having stuff to gripe about every night to the amen corner? Or maybe, deep down, you realized just how massively you screwed up — and screwed us — by backing this guy and you’d rather pass the buck elsewhere? Or maybe you just want Hillary Clinton to win?

I’ll take my answers off the air, as they say.
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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 03:52:17 am »
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It’s as if he lost his car keys in his rectum and he’s looking for them face first.

Ah, jeez, Edith, that was 20 years ago, why bring it up??

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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 04:02:35 am »
No funcitional link to this supposed article.

Is this really written by Jonah Goldberg? I can't find it at the NRO website. I'd almost wonder if this article is totally fabricated. If it is, then, the true writer should be known.


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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 04:14:32 am »
Goldberg also has a regular email 'column' but this doesn't look like one of those

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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 05:11:13 am »
No funcitional link to this supposed article.

Is this really written by Jonah Goldberg? I can't find it at the NRO website. I'd almost wonder if this article is totally fabricated. If it is, then, the true writer should be known.

Yeah...pretty bizarre.
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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 05:38:44 am »
Hannity can't help himself.  He's a cheerleader by nature

It took real work for him to take on the veneer of a serious discussion program host.  I listened to him in the early years of his program - it was streaming for free on the Web back then, looped when it wasn't live; and I lived in an area where radio was a bit hard to get.  And I was working odd hours as a railroader.  So, at three in the morning...after working twelve hours and knowing I had another 24 before I'd be going back out...I'd get Hannity's looped show. 

It was often the only choice.  Back then, podcasts didn't exist - and Limbaugh didn't have his site up.  A few radio stations across the country had live feeds on the Web - it was a novelty back then.  But listening choices were few.

Anyway...Sean's a cheerleader first and foremost.  He really worked to get a research team together and get competent in deep discussions; but it was never natural to him.  And this Trump mental illness has brought him back to his natural urges.  Up there, with the saddle shoes and pompoms..."Gooooo....TRUMP!!"

It's childish and I have no patience for it.  He may even realize it's not appropriate - but I suspect the new masters at FAUX are pulling his leash up short.  They want to be the Crony-Capitalist Rockefeller-Republican network, and if Shawnie can't play nice like we need, he'll have to find other work.

And he's not ready to be the all-night jock at WKRP, for a salary of $20,000 a year.

Too bad.  His troubles are his troubles; I got plenty of my own.  But I'm not interested in cheerleaders - even if they have better legs than Sean's.

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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 12:55:49 pm »
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Donnelly was echoed by Jonah Goldberg of National Review: “The United States needs to go to war with Iraq because it needs to go to war with someone in the region and Iraq makes the most sense.”

Goldberg endorsed “the Ledeen Doctrine” of ex-Pentagon official Michael Ledeen, which Goldberg described thus: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.” (When the French ambassador in London, at a dinner party, asked why we should risk World War III over some “shitty little country”—meaning Israel—Goldberg’s magazine was not amused.)

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whose-war/

Preach it Jonah.

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2016, 01:31:22 pm »
If not for the idiocy of Alan Colmes, there would be Hannity.  It's only by comparison that he seemed a viable alternative to the ramblings of Colmes.

As for Jonah, his is the only commentary allowed on his mother's website.  Every other article and comment is all DT all the time.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 01:34:17 pm »
@rangerrebew , do you have a more up to date link for this?  This one isn't working.

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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2016, 01:38:55 pm »
No funcitional link to this supposed article.

Is this really written by Jonah Goldberg? I can't find it at the NRO website. I'd almost wonder if this article is totally fabricated. If it is, then, the true writer should be known.

Oh for Pete's sake, yes it's by Goldberg. It's his weekly email "news"letter (as he calls it). It usually gets posted on NRO the next day.  Here's the link: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438949/donald-trump-sean-hannity-does-hannity-want-hillary-clinton-win

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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2016, 01:42:11 pm »
Oh for Pete's sake, yes it's by Goldberg. It's his weekly email "news"letter (as he calls it). It usually gets posted on NRO the next day.  Here's the link: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438949/donald-trump-sean-hannity-does-hannity-want-hillary-clinton-win

Thanks, Bunny.  I couldn't find it either.

@TomSea, here you go for the link.

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2016, 01:44:01 pm »
Thanks, Bunny.  I couldn't find it either.

@TomSea, here you go for the link.

No problem.

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Re: Does Hannity want Trump to win? (Jonah Goldberg)
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2016, 01:48:53 pm »
If Hannity really loved Trump, he would play Ben Affleck to Matt Damon’s Will Hunting and tell him he owes it to himself and the country to be more than what he is.

Same goes for TOS.  They should demand more from Trump rather than defending every asinine statement that comes out of his mouth.

It really ticks me off that Trumpsters shoved this fraud on the rest of us, and then attack us for refusing to defend the stupid things he says (like that the U.S. Should increase the national debt to fund increased spending).  Then they act like it is our fault that Trump is constantly (possibly purposely) alienating large swaths of the electorate and his base voters.  I guess that's easier than accepting that the blame for this loser candidate belongs with them.

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2016, 01:56:24 pm »
It's a good article. Thanks.

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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2016, 02:34:42 pm »
If not for the idiocy of Alan Colmes, there would be Hannity.  It's only by comparison that he seemed a viable alternative to the ramblings of Colmes.


Thats a good point. Most of us were introduced to Hannity through that old show.

Speaking of Trump cheerleaders, yesterday was one of those rare occasions I tuned into Michael Savage's show, there was another cheerleader guest hosting, a guy named Douglas Urbanski, who actually flatly denied that Trump implied Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination.

The subject was brought up by a Trump fan caller who urged Trump to apologize to Cruz for his treatment of him to bring the party together to defeat Clinton. Urbanski about went nuts. Its really weird, seeing as though this is probably the single most effective thing Trump could do to convince people he's finally serious about winning.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2016, 03:25:07 pm »
If Hannity really loved Trump, he would play Ben Affleck to Matt Damon’s Will Hunting and tell him he owes it to himself and the country to be more than what he is.

Same goes for TOS.  They should demand more from Trump rather than defending every asinine statement that comes out of his mouth.

It really ticks me off that Trumpsters shoved this fraud on the rest of us, and then attack us for refusing to defend the stupid things he says (like that the U.S. Should increase the national debt to fund increased spending).  Then they act like it is our fault that Trump is constantly (possibly purposely) alienating large swaths of the electorate and his base voters.  I guess that's easier than accepting that the blame for this loser candidate belongs with them.

It ticks off a lot of us.