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What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« on: July 30, 2016, 11:29:10 pm »
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/30/12332922/donald-trump-khan-muslim

Donald Trump’s slander of Captain Humayun Khan’s family is horrifying, even for Trump

What kind of person is Donald Trump?



Updated by Ezra Klein on July 30, 2016, 2:07 p.m. ET


The most emotional moment of the Democratic National Convention was the speech by Khizr Khan, the bereaved father of Army Captain Humayun Khan. With his wife Ghazala by his side, Khan recalled his son’s character, his faith, his patriotism — and, ultimately, his courageous death in the service of the country he loved, and the fellow soldiers he was protecting.


And, yes, the Khan family is Muslim. Under Trump’s proposed policies, they would be innately suspect; had he been president when they immigrated to America, they would’ve been barred from entering, and Humayun Khan never would have served.

"Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery?" Khan asked Trump. "Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the United States of America. You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities. You have sacrificed nothing and no one."

On ABC this morning, Trump responded to Khan’s speech. I don’t know what I expected from Trump. Maybe he would show some gentleness. Maybe he would show some empathy. Maybe he would refuse to comment. Maybe he would attack Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama’s foreign policy leadership. All of those responses would have been fine.

Trump’s actual response, though, wasn’t fine.

"If you look at his wife, she was standing there," he said, on national television. "She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me."

This wasn’t a slip of the tongue. In an interview with Maureen Dowd, Trump took the same tack. "I’d like to hear his wife say something," he said.

Let’s be very clear about what Trump is doing here: as ABC wrote, he’s suggesting "Khan’s wife didn’t speak because she was forbidden to as a Muslim." This is bullshit. It is flatly, verifiably, false. But that’s almost beside the point.

Trump listened to a speech by the bereaved father of a fallen Muslim soldier and used it to slander the fallen soldier’s family. That was his response. That is his character.

At this point, I honestly don’t know what to say. I don’t have new language for this, I haven’t found another way of saying this isn’t okay, this isn’t kind, this isn’t decent. Instead, I’ll note James Fallows’s response. He quotes Joseph Welch, speaking to Senator Joseph McCarthy in 1954.

"Until this moment," he said, "I think I never really gauged your cruelty."

If you would like to see Ghazala Khan speak, you can do so in this interview she gave to MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. As Fallows writes, she breaks down sobbing while speaking of her son. It suggests she let her husband give the DNC speech for a simple reason: she remains overwhelmed by grief.

This is the woman Trump decided to slander. This is the gauge of his cruelty.

This isn't partisan. This isn't left vs. right. Mitt Romney never would have said this. John McCain never would have said this. George W. Bush never would have said this. John Kerry never would have said this. This is what I mean when I write that the 2016 election isn't simply Democrat vs. Republican, but normal vs. abnormal.

Trump also wanted the Khans to know that, like them, he had sacrificed for this country.

"I've made a lot of sacrifices," Trump said. "I work very, very hard. I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've had tremendous success. I think I've done a lot."

I honestly do not understand how a human being can respond to a family that lost their son for this country by saying that he has sacrificed too, he’s worked really hard, he’s built "great structures," he's had "tremendous success."

This is not a question that needs to be asked in most elections, but it needs to be asked in this one: what kind of person is Donald Trump? What kind of person says these things? And is that really the kind of person we want to be president?
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Re: What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2016, 11:30:30 pm »
Trump is a moral pervert, so self-absorbed and insecure that every remark made by someone else he takes as an attack on him.
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Re: What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 11:47:45 pm »
Trump is a moral pervert, so self-absorbed and insecure that every remark made by someone else he takes as an attack on him.

I have more faith in Americans to reject Donald Trump.  I hate the idea of Hillary Clinton equally evil but there is absolutely no moral choice.  Void.
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Re: What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 11:51:51 pm »
Certainly not my kind.

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Re: What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2016, 12:10:10 am »
Trump is a moral pervert, so self-absorbed and insecure that every remark made by someone else he takes as an attack on him.

And, he is insane.  Can you say, "WWIII" to prove he is the greatest?

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016, 12:14:49 am »
I see Trump for what he is. An egomaniac con man who has duped the rubes into thinking he has anyone else's interests at heart. He is an immoral disgusting pig of a human being who lies so much he doesn't even know when he is doing it. He has no real principles other than self promotion
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016, 12:26:19 am »
I see Trump for what he is. An egomaniac con man who has duped the rubes into thinking he has anyone else's interests at heart. He is an immoral disgusting pig of a human being who lies so much he doesn't even know when he is doing it. He has no real principles other than self promotion


I can't imagine spending any time with the guy.

One of my friends from my hometown was a rich kid who had a lot of the same bad traits. He was arrogant, bragged constantly, and was self absorbed but Scott genuinely did care what people thought, was generous, and sought respect as well as desired it. He was tolerable in small doses but Trump is someone I would seek to avoid.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2016, 12:38:51 am »
And, he is insane.  Can you say, "WWIII" to prove he is the greatest?

We are rushing to WWIII anyway.  One could argue it's already started, as the various Moslem factions around the world are staging unrelenting strikes on soft targets.

Meantime WE have given the Iranians access to capital they had had withheld from the time of the Shah's overthrow and the embassy takeover.  Modern Iran, being kook-fundamentalist Islamicist, cannot raise capital.  All they can raise is hell.

We gave them the money and the access to raise nuclear hell.  Only a simpleton like John F'n Kerry would think they won't use this gold-plated opportunity.

No matter who is elected President we will have ugly war, probably nuclear.  But it's of our times that we continue with this madcap idiocy, in picking a bigger fool than Barry Hussein.  As if that were possible.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2016, 12:51:17 am »
Trump is a perverted and deranged little man. When he opens his mouth the air is filled with verbal incontinence. His attacks are a vile cocktail of oozing slime that the trumpanzee faithful  lap up like gruel fed to hogs. The man is a pig.
As for the rest of the party regulars falling in line behind this mental defect...may the ass-kicking you receive at the polls this Nov reflect the Goldwater election...or maybe the McGovern Nixon outcome.

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Re: What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2016, 12:53:55 am »
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/30/12332922/donald-trump-khan-muslim

Donald Trump’s slander of Captain Humayun Khan’s family is horrifying, even for Trump

What kind of person is Donald Trump?



Updated by Ezra Klein on July 30, 2016, 2:07 p.m. ET


The most emotional moment of the Democratic National Convention was the speech by Khizr Khan, the bereaved father of Army Captain Humayun Khan. With his wife Ghazala by his side, Khan recalled his son’s character, his faith, his patriotism — and, ultimately, his courageous death in the service of the country he loved, and the fellow soldiers he was protecting.


And, yes, the Khan family is Muslim. Under Trump’s proposed policies, they would be innately suspect; had he been president when they immigrated to America, they would’ve been barred from entering, and Humayun Khan never would have served.

"Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery?" Khan asked Trump. "Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the United States of America. You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities. You have sacrificed nothing and no one."

On ABC this morning, Trump responded to Khan’s speech. I don’t know what I expected from Trump. Maybe he would show some gentleness. Maybe he would show some empathy. Maybe he would refuse to comment. Maybe he would attack Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama’s foreign policy leadership. All of those responses would have been fine.

Trump’s actual response, though, wasn’t fine.

"If you look at his wife, she was standing there," he said, on national television. "She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me."

This wasn’t a slip of the tongue. In an interview with Maureen Dowd, Trump took the same tack. "I’d like to hear his wife say something," he said.

Let’s be very clear about what Trump is doing here: as ABC wrote, he’s suggesting "Khan’s wife didn’t speak because she was forbidden to as a Muslim." This is bullshit. It is flatly, verifiably, false. But that’s almost beside the point.

Trump listened to a speech by the bereaved father of a fallen Muslim soldier and used it to slander the fallen soldier’s family. That was his response. That is his character.

At this point, I honestly don’t know what to say. I don’t have new language for this, I haven’t found another way of saying this isn’t okay, this isn’t kind, this isn’t decent. Instead, I’ll note James Fallows’s response. He quotes Joseph Welch, speaking to Senator Joseph McCarthy in 1954.

"Until this moment," he said, "I think I never really gauged your cruelty."

If you would like to see Ghazala Khan speak, you can do so in this interview she gave to MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. As Fallows writes, she breaks down sobbing while speaking of her son. It suggests she let her husband give the DNC speech for a simple reason: she remains overwhelmed by grief.

This is the woman Trump decided to slander. This is the gauge of his cruelty.

This isn't partisan. This isn't left vs. right. Mitt Romney never would have said this. John McCain never would have said this. George W. Bush never would have said this. John Kerry never would have said this. This is what I mean when I write that the 2016 election isn't simply Democrat vs. Republican, but normal vs. abnormal.

Trump also wanted the Khans to know that, like them, he had sacrificed for this country.

"I've made a lot of sacrifices," Trump said. "I work very, very hard. I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've had tremendous success. I think I've done a lot."

I honestly do not understand how a human being can respond to a family that lost their son for this country by saying that he has sacrificed too, he’s worked really hard, he’s built "great structures," he's had "tremendous success."

This is not a question that needs to be asked in most elections, but it needs to be asked in this one: what kind of person is Donald Trump? What kind of person says these things? And is that really the kind of person we want to be president?

Trump is someone with New York (liberal) values.  He professes to care about US vets, but is there anyone in Trump's family that has served in the US military?  I think everything he says and does is an attempt to mask and cloak who and what he really is.  And the ugly slips out almost every time he opens his mouth.  He just can't help himself.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 01:02:08 am »
Trump is the worst kind of person.

A friend of mine, whom I've known since the late '90s and who has always detested Trump, is undergoing the pod transformation.  She's cowering in fear of Clinton, so she has begun to try and whitewash Trump.  "Welllll....maybe he isn't so bad after all....people can change..."

She tried to tell me that the "yes you will" chant meant nothing because people always chant at conventions.  And today she sent me an article titled "Why It's Moral To Vote For Trump".  The same article was posted here by a Trump fan.

Watching my friend undergo this character...subjugation?....is painful.  We're kind of dancing around each other, both trying not to lose our tempers, but I don't think it will end well.  If not, chalk up another lost friendship for the walking Creamsicle.

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 01:02:26 am »
Well...here's something to think about, fellow Trump-Detesters.

And I make no apologies for him.  That he got the Republican nomination is a travesty.  And possibly the end of the party.

Trump...is a dull-normal ADHD narcissist.  He's campaigning to be Class President, not President of the United States.  He really doesn't think it MATTERS what he says - or that so much he could do would turn out to have terrible results.

When he DOES figure it out...my guess is, he'll want to quit.

Which would make Pence the President.  And THAT is possibly the best outcome to be hoped for.

Meantime, Billary, there...is dying of several maladies - cholera and TIA strokes and heart issues.  And her purported husband is becoming a dementia case.  SHE will probably die...possibly soon; certainly not soon enough.

That would make this Kaine guy the President.  And we will find out that he's not a moderate; just a behind-the-scenes stealth moonbat.

I hate to say it; but that will probably have me voting Trump.  Makes me sick to reward this REPULSIVE behavior...but that may be the only rational choice.  Vote Trump and hope Trump goes away somehow.

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 02:54:46 am »
Trump is a moral pervert, so self-absorbed and insecure that every remark made by someone else he takes as an attack on him.

A 13-year old girl appeared on TV and made jokes, one line said, "Oh, you were a reality TV star, maybe you should be President!"

Trump actually dissed the girl on Twitter. Just insane.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2016, 04:52:51 am »
What kind of person is Donald Trump?

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2016, 05:46:07 am »
I have more faith in Americans to reject Donald Trump.  I hate the idea of Hillary Clinton equally evil but there is absolutely no moral choice.  Void.

tRump is most definitely a certifiable paranoid schizophrenic, the way he attacks and keeps unreasonably attacking good people like this family and Ted Cruz.

tRump or hitlery?????? We are facing a scary fate similar to those poor souls that found themselves in the burning buildings on 9/11. The choice is stay and burn or jump.

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Re: What kind of person is Donald Trump?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2016, 11:01:26 am »
The lowest of the low.

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2016, 11:52:23 am »
When he DOES figure it out...my guess is, he'll want to quit.

Which would make Pence the President.  And THAT is possibly the best outcome to be hoped for.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2016, 12:07:00 pm »
Trump is a moral pervert, so self-absorbed and insecure that every remark made by someone else he takes as an attack on him.

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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2016, 12:08:55 pm »
The candidate of cultural degeneracy.

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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2016, 12:12:07 pm »
He professes to care about US vets, but is there anyone in Trump's family that has served in the US military?  .../

Are you claiming @XenaLee that only someone who is a Veteran or knows a Veteran can care about Veterans?   :pondering:

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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2016, 12:19:39 pm »
Are you claiming @XenaLee that only someone who is a Veteran or knows a Veteran can care about Veterans?   :pondering:

I'm claiming that Trump is a fake/phony/fraud.  He never served but claims he has made "sacrifices".  He's a fat cat rich dude that got four deferments.  Who, in his family, has EVER served this country?  Can you answer that question?

(Good thing this isn't the "election section"....else this post, an expression of my opinion and an example of freedom of speech, would be deleted by 'you know who')
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2016, 12:26:42 pm »
Trump is the worst kind of person.

A friend of mine, whom I've known since the late '90s and who has always detested Trump, is undergoing the pod transformation.  She's cowering in fear of Clinton, so she has begun to try and whitewash Trump.  "Welllll....maybe he isn't so bad after all....people can change..."

She tried to tell me that the "yes you will" chant meant nothing because people always chant at conventions.  And today she sent me an article titled "Why It's Moral To Vote For Trump".  The same article was posted here by a Trump fan.

Watching my friend undergo this character...subjugation?....is painful.  We're kind of dancing around each other, both trying not to lose our tempers, but I don't think it will end well.  If not, chalk up another lost friendship for the walking Creamsicle.

My ex has the same issue going with a neighbor and long-time friend of his who has boarded the Trump Train To Hell.  I told him to just agree to disagree after stating his case against Trump ...and then when Trump loses in November, be gracious while saying "Told ya"....and then laugh it off and remain friends (if possible).  It's going to be hard to laugh off though...considering what we'll be stuck with.
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 12:48:32 pm »
Donald Trump is a sick individual whose dark heart is Satan's playground.
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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2016, 01:01:21 pm »


tRump or hitlery?????? We are facing a scary fate similar to those poor souls that found themselves in the burning buildings on 9/11. The choice is stay and burn or jump.

When those are your choices,  it's time to think unconventionally.   There's another name on the ballot in all 50 states.  Johnson/Weld.   
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2016, 01:13:41 pm »
   There's another name on the ballot in all 50 states.  Johnson/Weld.
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