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Offline Fishrrman

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The Disaster of De-industrialization
« on: June 17, 2016, 02:39:03 pm »
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The Disaster of De-industrialization
once a nation no longer produce essential goods and services, it becomes vulnerable to collapse.
June 15, 2016

By now, we all know what's happening in Venezuela: hyperinflation, empty stores, a regime in denial. The Trajectory of Venezuelan Hyperinflation Looks Frighteningly Familiar... (Zero Hedge)



My contacts in Venezuela tell me that merely posting the black market exchange rate of bolivars to USD can get you arrested. So yes, Venezuela's regime has gone full Orwell-1984: whatever is true is outlawed.

Venezuela is imploding not because of hyper-inflation, but as a result of policies that led to hyper-inflation: policies that generate perverse incentives, disincentives to produce goods and services and incentives to depend on government subsidies.

But one of my correspondents nailed a key cause that is rarely discussed: Venezuela has been effectively de-industrialized. Capital that should have been invested in the electrical grid and the oil industry has been diverted to other pet projects (and the pockets of regime insiders).

There's no food in the markets because government-set prices don't make it worthwhile to grow anything. Farmers take their produce to neighboring countries if they can, where they can actually get paid for producing food.

But de-industrialization is the result of more than perverse policies. De-industrialization results when a citizenry is denied access to the tools and capital needed to produce goods, and when government subsidies sap the will to take the risks that are part and parcel of making real stuff.

De-industrialization is also the result of currency exchange and trade policy.When it becomes cheaper to import goods and services from other nations, the domestic populace loses the will and the skills needed to produce goods and services.

But a funny thing happens when a nation loses its capacity to produce real goods in the real world: when the currency and trade policies that made importing everything financially sensible blow up, there's nobody left to actually make essential goods, grow food or maintain critical infrastructure.

De-industrialization is a gradual process. The loss of key industries is gradual; the loss of supply chains is gradual; the loss of local suppliers and jobbers is gradual; the loss of skilled workers is gradual; the decline of local capital is gradual; the loss of the willingness to get out there and take risks to make real goods in the real world is gradual.

This is a chart of industrial production in the United Kingdom. many nations share the same basic trajectory: given a strong currency and restrictive policies, it no longer makes sense to produce goods, food, transport, etc. Financialization and free-spending governments borrowing billions create the illusion that a nation that was once a nation of makers can become a nation of takers with no downside.



Once a nation no longer produces essential goods and services, and depends on financial games or commodities to pay for industrial goods and food produced elsewhere, it becomes vulnerable to a collapse in the financial games and the commodity markets that made it all too easy to succumb to de-industrialization.

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Re: The Disaster of De-industrialization
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2016, 03:01:04 pm »
When I saw the title, I thought it was an article about the USA.

Then when I read it, it seemed similar to what I would read if one substituted USA where it reads Venezuela.

The other problem with de-industrialization is the lack of resources that will be available when one goes to war.  One needs those plants to manufacture airplanes, tanks, ships, etc.

That is probably the only reason I switched back over to buying GM after being a Toyota man the past 20 years.
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Re: The Disaster of De-industrialization
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 03:08:16 pm »
Idiotic article posted by zero brains (i mean hedge).

Venezuela isn't collapsing because of deindustrialization, but socialism.

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Re: The Disaster of De-industrialization
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2016, 03:09:11 pm »
When I saw the title, I thought it was an article about the USA.

Then when I read it, it seemed similar to what I would read if one substituted USA where it reads Venezuela.

The other problem with de-industrialization is the lack of resources that will be available when one goes to war.  One needs those plants to manufacture airplanes, tanks, ships, etc.

That is probably the only reason I switched back over to buying GM after being a Toyota man the past 20 years.

Half of the components in your GM car are manufactured offshore and in Mexico.

Global trade is a fact.  Those who argue to "bring the jobs home" are arguing a fantasy. Plus, even if they did come home, most of the workers at those jobs would be robots.
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Re: The Disaster of De-industrialization
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 01:38:32 pm »
Idiotic article posted by zero brains (i mean hedge).

Venezuela isn't collapsing because of deindustrialization, but socialism.

Actually it's both.  The Venezuelan collapse is even worse than most socialist collapses because they almost deliberately destroyed their industrial infrastructure, something the Soviets, Chicoms, and even the dynastic hyper-Stalinists in North Korea never did.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Re: The Disaster of De-industrialization
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 02:31:54 pm »
Venezuela is imploding not because of hyper-inflation, but as a result of policies that led to hyper-inflation: policies that generate perverse incentives, disincentives to produce goods and services and incentives to depend on government subsidies.

But one of my correspondents nailed a key cause that is rarely discussed: Venezuela has been effectively de-industrialized. Capital that should have been invested in the electrical grid and the oil industry has been diverted to other pet projects (and the pockets of regime insiders).

Those are just symptoms of socialism without restraint.  The problem is still socialism.  To state otherwise seems to imply that socialism would have succeeded, if just better implemented.  That ignores the actual problem.
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