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[ConstitutionRose]

I am not a Republican either.  I re-registered as unaffiliated the day Cruz suspended his campaign and Trump was Mr. Hideous Presumptive.

I've been registered as Not Affiliated or Independent for two decades in two different states.  I voted the Republican ballot that whole time, but I will vote for a third party this year.  It would make me very happy if that party has a positive impact on this worse than hopeless election.

[Mesaclone]

Well, I'm not a Republican,  so, I guess it won't be an be issue when I vote for Bill Kristol's third party, and, hopefully,  throws the election into the House of Representatives, and avoids either hitlery or stumpy.

If the election were to go to the House, and that is very unlikely, Donald Trump would absolutely be our next president. The vast majority of House GOP members would vote for their party's nominee...an easy call for nearly all of them.

[Doug Loss]

If the election were to go to the House, and that is very unlikely, Donald Trump would absolutely be our next president. The vast majority of House GOP members would vote for their party's nominee...an easy call for nearly all of them.

Maybe, maybe not.  Your supposition strikes me as being similar to the Trump/Obama (same mindset) sycophants'; everything will happen to put my Big Man in power--the will of the people demands it!  I strongly doubt it would go that way, at least not quickly or obviously.  Given a viable way to keep both Trump and Clinton out of the presidency, I think many pols from both parties would breath (perhaps hidden) sighs of relief.

[markomalley]

Oh, yeah!  Looks like us #Nevertrump may have some for which to vote other than warmed-over Libertarians, and the dregs of the Constitution Party.

Does this so-called third party candidate have a realistic possibility of winning any electoral college votes?

If so, which states?

If not, I would posit that any third party candidate as being a reincarnation of Ross Perot (i.e., a spoiler who handed the WH to the Hildabeast's husband).

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Does this so-called third party candidate have a realistic possibility of winning any electoral college votes?

If so, which states?

If not, I would posit that any third party candidate as being a reincarnation of Ross Perot (i.e., a spoiler who handed the WH to the Hildabeast's husband).

Welp, Cruz could pull Texas, Romney could pull Utah, Kasich could pull Ohio, for example. Long shots, but it could happen. Depends on how strong or weak Hillary's support is.

[markomalley]

Welp, Cruz could pull Texas, Romney could pull Utah, Kasich could pull Ohio, for example. Long shots, but it could happen. Depends on how strong or weak Hillary's support is.

All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March:

The Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol said Wednesday that he would rather have Hillary Clinton in the White House than the Republican front-runner.

I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March:

I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.

Yah. Hillary would have to be greatly, greatly weakened for the plan to work. She could be weakened by either being indicted, or perhaps if Bernie supporters go for the Green party or libertarians.

This is a horrible, but fascinating election.

[markomalley]

Yah. Hillary would have to be greatly, greatly weakened for the plan to work. She could be weakened by either being indicted, or perhaps if Bernie supporters go for the Green party or libertarians.

This is a horrible, but fascinating election.

That, in my mind, is the ONLY way for it to have a possibility of working.

And, yes, this would be truly interesting:

- Trump as the GOP nominee
- Hildabeast as the DEM nominee
- Sanders as the Socialist/Green nominee
- ((fill in the blank)) as the WHAT??? nominee

(I don't want to say "conservative"...as if they name Willard or McLame as the mystery man, neither are conservative)

[sitetest]

All I can say is that any Kristol-supported third party candidate better be able to win some electoral college votes and simultaneously not allow other states to flip. If not, then this third party candidate will toss the election to Her Thighness. And that might actually be Kristol's goal.

Remember back in March:

I am very, very suspicious of anything he does.

As bad as hitlery is (and I view her as calamirously bad), I think stumpy is worse.  I don't expect, for example, that as president,  hitlery's loose lopsided would destabilize the market for US debt.

[Right_in_Virginia]

As bad as hitlery is (and I view her as calamirously bad), I think stumpy is worse.  I don't expect, for example, that as president,  hitlery's loose lopsided would destabilize the market for US debt.

I agree.  And thank you for being brave enough to say this so clearly.  We don't need to make America great again---it's always been our "greatness" that's destabilized the global economy, not to even mention what "America First" has done to world security.  And besides, the world knows the Clintons and knows they understand the rules.  We don't need another American "cowboy", even if he is just an orangutan from New York--especially one who understands Capitalism and seems to be so damn fond of it   

At least with Hillary we know what we're getting.  We'll be just fine without borders and I never bought into that nonsense that we're not wealthy enough to take care of undocumented folks---even if they don't pay taxes.  Hell, let the billionaires pay more.  That's why we have them, right?  LOL!   ^-^

But seriously, Hillary is our last, best chance at healing the rifts between blacks and whites--and Hispanics in this country.  She is, and really always has been, a unifier.  And I think being a grandma has really softened her edges, don't you agree?    And all this BS about emails and laundered foreign money is just about on my last nerve.  Leave her alone already, she's working for us!

And Hillary knows and believes in the Constitution of the United States!  She won't be looking to go beyond the system of checks and balances.  Hillary has never shown any inclination to say "I" will do this or that.  Hillary doesn't talk about "me", "me", "me".  She'll work the system and get things done --- smoothly because the media will be on her side.  Finally, an end to gridlock!  I can only imagine how happy Congressional leaders are at the mere thought of this.

So other than the occasional death of a couple of special forces "heroes" and the rise of a couple of Mullahs; other than a little tweeking of the second amendment and a government controlled private sector, we'll be staying on the right course for the United States of America!

Good, good call @sitetest!   Viva La Hillary!!!   

Welcome to TBR!!   

[markomalley]

As bad as hitlery is (and I view her as calamirously bad), I think stumpy is worse.  I don't expect, for example, that as president,  hitlery's loose lopsided would destabilize the market for US debt.

You and I will have to agree to disagree on that point.

Looking at it cynically, I can't see much difference between the Orange Bomber and Her Thighness. But out of a thousand possible issues, he might do the right thing in two or three things out of a thousand, while I am utterly convinced that she would do the wrong thing in all cases.

I wish the GOP electorate hadn't fallen for his snake-oil sales pitch, but they did.

(Frankly, this is one reason why I am glad to live in Maryland...my vote in the general election will make no difference at all. If I lived in a swing state, I would have an actual dilemma)

[sitetest]

I agree.  And thank you for being brave enough to say this so clearly.  We don't need to make America great again---it's always been our "greatness" that's destabilized the global economy, not to even mention what "America First" has done to world security.  And besides, the world knows the Clintons and knows they understand the rules.  We don't need another American "cowboy", even if he is just an orangutan from New York--especially one who understands Capitalism and seems to be so damn fond of it   

At least with Hillary we know what we're getting.  We'll be just fine without borders and I never bought into that nonsense that we're not wealthy enough to take care of undocumented folks---even if they don't pay taxes.  Hell, let the billionaires pay more.  That's why we have them, right?  LOL!   ^-^

But seriously, Hillary is our last, best chance at healing the rifts between blacks and whites--and Hispanics in this country.  She is, and really always has been, a unifier.  And I think being a grandma has really softened her edges, don't you agree?    And all this BS about emails and laundered foreign money is just about on my last nerve.  Leave her alone already, she's working for us!

And Hillary knows and believes in the Constitution of the United States!  She won't be looking to go beyond the system of checks and balances.  Hillary has never shown any inclination to say "I" will do this or that.  Hillary doesn't talk about "me", "me", "me".  She'll work the system and get things done --- smoothly because the media will be on her side.  Finally, an end to gridlock!  I can only imagine how happy Congressional leaders are at the mere thought of this.

So other than the occasional death of a couple of special forces "heroes" and the rise of a couple of Mullahs; other than a little tweeking of the second amendment and a government controlled private sector, we'll be staying on the right course for the United States of America!

Good, good call @sitetest!   Viva La Hillary!!!   

Welcome to TBR!!   

Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm makes the fatal mistake of assuming because I think stumpy is absolute the worst American ever to have lived that I think hitlery is just peachy.  No, I don't.   It isn't that hitlery is peachy but rather that she is not the worst American ever.  She is, at worst, the third worst American to have ever lived, behind stumpy and the kenyan anti-christ.

It isn't that I expect a secure bkrder, the overall limitation of government,  and a declining debt under hitlery.  But I don't expect these things under stumpy, either.  And face it, it is your god, stumpy, who suggested that the US default on its debt, the single most stupid thing ever uttered by a supposedly-intelligent lifeform.

There are just too many gross stupidities on the part of stumpy to recite in a format less-than-book-length.  hitlery is incompetent and evil.  stumpy isn't intelligent enough to be incompetent.  But he's just as evil.
  For its level of stupidity,  we need a new word.

The only thing sadder than stumpy are the voters who voted for him.

[HAPPY2BME]

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WITH A GRAIN OF SENSE CARE WHAT A RINO HAS TO SAY about ANYTHING?
IF YOU DO YOU SRE NO BETTER THAN HE IS!!!!!!!

OH THE F'n drama!l!!

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You can't make this stuff up..

[austingirl]

Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm makes the fatal mistake of assuming because I think stumpy is absolute the worst American ever to have lived that I think hitlery is just peachy.  No, I don't.   It isn't that hitlery is peachy but rather that she is not the worst American ever.  She is, at worst, the third worst American to have ever lived, behind stumpy and the kenyan anti-christ.

It isn't that I expect a secure bkrder, the overall limitation of government,  and a declining debt under hitlery.  But I don't expect these things under stumpy, either.  And face it, it is your god, stumpy, who suggested that the US default on its debt, the single most stupid thing ever uttered by a supposedly-intelligent lifeform.

There are just too many gross stupidities on the part of stumpy to recite in a format less-than-book-length.  hitlery is incompetent and evil.  stumpy isn't intelligent enough to be incompetent.  But he's just as evil.
  For its level of stupidity,  we need a new word.

The only thing sadder than stumpy are the voters who voted for him.

Excellent post.  

[Right_in_Virginia]

Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm

Why do you assume its sarcasm, @sitetest?  Have you so little faith in your ability to sway another poster to your direction?   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Excellent post.  

Yes, yes, yes!!!!!  @austingirl   

          

[sinkspur]

Your  stupid, lame attempt at sarcasm makes the fatal mistake of assuming because I think stumpy is absolute the worst American ever to have lived that I think hitlery is just peachy.  No, I don't.   It isn't that hitlery is peachy but rather that she is not the worst American ever.  She is, at worst, the third worst American to have ever lived, behind stumpy and the kenyan anti-christ.

It isn't that I expect a secure bkrder, the overall limitation of government,  and a declining debt under hitlery.  But I don't expect these things under stumpy, either.  And face it, it is your god, stumpy, who suggested that the US default on its debt, the single most stupid thing ever uttered by a supposedly-intelligent lifeform.

There are just too many gross stupidities on the part of stumpy to recite in a format less-than-book-length.  hitlery is incompetent and evil.  stumpy isn't intelligent enough to be incompetent.  But he's just as evil.
  For its level of stupidity,  we need a new word.

The only thing sadder than stumpy are the voters who voted for him.

Excellent post.

Trumpkins don't know what they don't know:

The Psychological Quirk That Explains Why You Love Donald Trump


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904#ixzz4A3uUqk5U

[sitetest]

You and I will have to agree to disagree on that point.

Looking at it cynically, I can't see much difference between the Orange Bomber and Her Thighness. But out of a thousand possible issues, he might do the right thing in two or three things out of a thousand, while I am utterly convinced that she would do the wrong thing in all cases.

I wish the GOP electorate hadn't fallen for his snake-oil sales pitch, but they did.

(Frankly, this is one reason why I am glad to live in Maryland...my vote in the general election will make no difference at all. If I lived in a swing state, I would have an actual dilemma)

The problem with your reasoning, mark, is the "binariness" you superimpose on issues, that there might be a single right way to treat an issue, and a single wrong way.  Thus, hitlery will get everything wrong, but stumpy might get something right.  But the possibility exists that hitlery will get everything wrong, but that stumpy might get something wronger.

This is exemplified in its instinct to try to "renegotiate" some of the national debt.  The stupidity and ignorance of this "idea" is unmatched.  It fails to understand that within the context of US debt, for an American president to suggest renegotiations is the equivalent of default.  Because the US has paid every cent of its debt in a timely manner pretty much since 1790, the US recieves the lowest interest rates available and has the most neogitiable, liquid debt.  The reason why folks would refuse to renegotiate the US debt they hold is because they can go to the financial markets on any given day and trade the debt they hold for ready cash.  The only way that market disappears is if traders suddenly feel as if the value of their holdings became impaired, which the suggestion of renegotiation by an American president could easily do.  The increase in interest rates demanded by investors in new US debt would bring about financial collapse that much sooner if it were not preceded by the earthquake of financial Armageddon brought on by such a default.

hitlery is a gross bumbler, but she knows that to play baseball, one needs a bat and a ball, not a hockey puck.  stumpy doesn't seem as well-informed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

hitlery is a gross bumbler, but she knows that to play baseball, one needs a bat and a ball, not a hockey puck.  

[sitetest]

It is ironic that underneath my statement that "hitlery is a gross bumbler," You place an upbeat, cheery, even celebratory picture of the hag.

[markomalley]

The problem with your reasoning, mark, is the "binariness" you superimpose on issues, that there might be a single right way to treat an issue, and a single wrong way.  Thus, hitlery will get everything wrong, but stumpy might get something right.  But the possibility exists that hitlery will get everything wrong, but that stumpy might get something wronger.

This is exemplified in its instinct to try to "renegotiate" some of the national debt.  The stupidity and ignorance of this "idea" is unmatched.  It fails to understand that within the context of US debt, for an American president to suggest renegotiations is the equivalent of default.  Because the US has paid every cent of its debt in a timely manner pretty much since 1790, the US recieves the lowest interest rates available and has the most neogitiable, liquid debt.  The reason why folks would refuse to renegotiate the US debt they hold is because they can go to the financial markets on any given day and trade the debt they hold for ready cash.  The only way that market disappears is if traders suddenly feel as if the value of their holdings became impaired, which the suggestion of renegotiation by an American president could easily do.  The increase in interest rates demanded by investors in new US debt would bring about financial collapse that much sooner if it were not preceded by the earthquake of financial Armageddon brought on by such a default.

hitlery is a gross bumbler, but she knows that to play baseball, one needs a bat and a ball, not a hockey puck.  stumpy doesn't seem as well-informed.

As I said, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position, but unless Bernie Sanders decides to pursue a third-party run, I see this as a binary set of alternatives. p=not(q). If Sanders decides to run in the generals as a Green (or other party), I will gladly join you and support any reasonable conservative alternative to The Donald. We would, at that point, have a reasonable four-party race. In that situation, somebody else could possibly win.

The trouble is, for me, I have worked with too many people who have had actual face-to-face dealings with Cankles over the years. She is unbalanced and highly dangerous. Not just the normal politician level of evil. Dangerous evil. As a result, I am firmly a #neverhillary person. And that won't change.

[geronl]

#NeverHillary
#NeverTrump

That's redundant!!

[sinkspur]

As I said, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position, but unless Bernie Sanders decides to pursue a third-party run, I see this as a binary set of alternatives. p=not(q). If Sanders decides to run in the generals as a Green (or other party), I will gladly join you and support any reasonable conservative alternative to The Donald. We would, at that point, have a reasonable four-party race. In that situation, somebody else could possibly win.

The trouble is, for me, I have worked with too many people who have had actual face-to-face dealings with Cankles over the years. She is unbalanced and highly dangerous. Not just the normal politician level of evil. Dangerous evil. As a result, I am firmly a #neverhillary person. And that won't change.

The problem is, Trump is even more mentally unstable.  Witness his off-the-cuff remarks about nuclear weaponizing Japan and South Korea and his insane idea to attempt a dialogue with Kim Jung-Un.  Trump is stupid, and he doesn't know he's stupid.  He thinks he's smart about things he knows nothing about.  I'm betting he STILL couldn't tell you what the nuclear triad is.

Trump is dangerous in a very personal way.  Witness how he treats those who don't do him homage (i.e., Susana Martinez).   

Hillary would be a bad president.  We've had bad presidents before.  But we've never had a crazy president before.  Trump would be the first.

[sitetest]

As I said, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position, but unless Bernie Sanders decides to pursue a third-party run, I see this as a binary set of alternatives. p=not(q). If Sanders decides to run in the generals as a Green (or other party), I will gladly join you and support any reasonable conservative alternative to The Donald. We would, at that point, have a reasonable four-party race. In that situation, somebody else could possibly win.

The trouble is, for me, I have worked with too many people who have had actual face-to-face dealings with Cankles over the years. She is unbalanced and highly dangerous. Not just the normal politician level of evil. Dangerous evil. As a result, I am firmly a #neverhillary person. And that won't change.

I worked, briefly, in the clinton White House.   hitlery is bat shit crazy, and a bumbler.  stumpy is bat shit crazier, and, as sinkspur says, is too stupid to know what he doesn't know.   The only thing where stumpy excels hitlery is in the ability to deceive.   hitlery is a pathological, serial liar, but she is not a very good deceiver.  She is transparent, and most people see right through her.  But stumpy actually deceives and excites a critical minority (for now) of people of which hitlery could only dream.

[don-o]

     

Hillary would be a bad president.  We've had bad presidents before.  But we've never had a crazy president before.  Trump would be the first.

For a start, I would need a certification that Trump is not afflicted with, or tending to Tourette Syndrome.