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Trump leaving neocons in dust
« on: May 24, 2016, 05:14:18 am »
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/280758-trump-leaving-neocons-in-dust

By Kristina Wong - 05/23/16 06:00 AM EDT

The rise of Donald Trump is threatening the power of neoconservatives, who find themselves at risk of being marginalized in the Republican Party.

Neoconservatism was at its height during the presidency of George W. Bush, helping to shape the rationale for the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

But now the ideology is under attack, with Trump systematically rejecting each of its core principles.

Leading neoconservative figures like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan have assailed Trump’s foreign policy views. Kagan even called Trump a “fascist” in a recent Washington Post op-ed.

Other neoconservatives say Trump’s foreign policy stances, such as his opposition to the Iraq war and the U.S. intervention in Libya, are inconsistent and represent “completely mindless” boasting.

Despite the opposition he faces in some corners of the GOP, polls indicate that Trump’s message is in line with the public mood.

A recent Pew poll found that nearly six in 10 Americans said the U.S. should "deal with its own problems and let other countries deal with their own problems as best they can," a more isolationist approach at odds with neoconservative thought.
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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2016, 05:14:51 am »
The Bill Kristols of the world are $hitting themselves.

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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2016, 08:07:38 am »
You can  call me a neocon.

When I was just a lad I signed up with old Uncle Sam and he  sent me to SE Asia for my senior trip. Except for the heat and bugs this Montana boy felt pretty comfortable going anywhere. I could always find an American hamburger joint and an American bar in most any country and  America was revered and Americans were welcomed with open arms.

After our political (not military) defeat in Vietnam I began to see a change, the old places I knew were closing up and America was perceived in many places as a 'Paper Tiger.' By the time of 9-11 most of the places I had known were gone, replaced by Mid-Eastern eateries and an influx of Arab oil money buying up everything American investors once held. After 9-11 the trend only continued with most countries picking sides in WW3 ... the USA is the loser this time around in their pereption.

I sometimes think this is how living in 1930's Germany must have been. Blissful ignorance of the fate that is just around the corner. Instead of confronting the future head on as we have in the past, we are stuck with two of the sorriest excuses for potential leaders this country has ever produced.

My only hope is that after either one of these fools are elected that there will be more left of America than a nuclear cinder and we can begin the process of rebuilding


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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2016, 10:48:23 am »
The Bill Kristols of the world are $hitting themselves.
Trump's biggest flaw, beyond his general ignorance of policy, is his positions are nearly all mutually exclusive.  He's going to be more aggressive with ISIS and al Qaeda, but he's going to take more isolationist America first positions towards his foreign policy.  He's going to ban people based on their faith (Islam), yet most of the allies we need to fight ISIS and al Qaeda are with people of that faith that he will "temporarily" ban.  The people we need desperately to defeat these barbarians would be unable to attend military conferences in the USA, for example!  Their children could not go to our Universities.  Our service members are based within these Islamic countries.  They attack ISIS and al Qaeda from Islamic countries. Trump will make all of these allies at best indifferent to Trump's claims that he'll take on ISIS and al Qaeda.  This shows how shallow his thinking is.  He doesn't consider any second or third order effects of his shoot-from-the-hip statements.  Neither do his supporters for that matter.  If it sounds jingoistic, it's good for them.

The good news for his supporters is he freely admits that everything he says is merely a suggestion.  They allow him to contradict himself on all matters - big and small - because their loyalty is to the man.  He sometimes changes his mind three times in twenty-four hours  His supporters never mind that, nor that he doesn't speak of making any of the Federal government smaller.  The five richest counties in America are all around Washington, DC.  That won't change under Trump.  Trump's whole career has been a cozy, crony capitalist connection with Democrats.  He's no enemy of statism; he just wants to make sure he's president.  It's all and only about his ambitions. 

His supporters don't care that he makes promises and won't keep them.  For example, he was claiming he'd be self-funding and unable to be bought by outside interest.  How long did that last?  Now, he's keen to get all of that money.  Sheldon Adelson's money will be accepted.  How many others?  Boone Pickens' money will be accepted.   It's all been a scam.  And he's been as close to the Clintons as any rich American in the nation.  He consulted Bill Clinton before he made this run for the nomination.  No other Republican candidate did that.

Getting rid of the neo-cons will enthuse some of Trump's base.  But what it really is is an example of how little he values a big tent approach and how little value he places in ideas.  He brags about being a common sense conservative.  In fact, he's a situational one.  He couldn't take over the Democrat Party, so he pretended to be a conservative.  He knows next to nothing about the subject.  As with the Moselms, so with the neo-cons, Trump discards allies so he can seem like he's his own man.   He is a disaster for conservatives.  He'll ruin the brand.

Final thought.   He feels comfortable attacking Bill Clinton, his former ally and wedding guest, about his sexual behavior.  Yet this is the pot calling the kettle black.  It's another example of his situational approach, in this case to ethics.   He's a fraud. 

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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2016, 11:12:14 am »
The bovine excrement talking points in this #neverTrump regurgitated rant are pathetic, lame and dishonest.  :bsflag: :spam2: :odrama:
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

Isaiah 54:17

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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2016, 11:42:29 am »
Trump's biggest flaw, beyond his general ignorance of policy, is his positions are nearly all mutually exclusive.  He's going to be more aggressive with ISIS and al Qaeda, but he's going to take more isolationist America first positions towards his foreign policy. He's going to ban people based on their faith (Islam), yet most of the allies we need to fight ISIS and al Qaeda are with people of that faith that he will "temporarily" ban.  The people we need desperately to defeat these barbarians would be unable to attend military conferences in the USA, for example!  Their children could not go to our Universities.  Our service members are based within these Islamic countries.  They attack ISIS and al Qaeda from Islamic countries. Trump will make all of these allies at best indifferent to Trump's claims that he'll take on ISIS and al Qaeda.  This shows how shallow his thinking is.  He doesn't consider any second or third order effects of his shoot-from-the-hip statements.  Neither do his supporters for that matter.  If it sounds jingoistic, it's good for them.

The good news for his supporters is he freely admits that everything he says is merely a suggestion.  They allow him to contradict himself on all matters - big and small - because their loyalty is to the man.  He sometimes changes his mind three times in twenty-four hours  His supporters never mind that, nor that he doesn't speak of making any of the Federal government smaller.  The five richest counties in America are all around Washington, DC.  That won't change under Trump.  Trump's whole career has been a cozy, crony capitalist connection with Democrats.  He's no enemy of statism; he just wants to make sure he's president.  It's all and only about his ambitions. 

His supporters don't care that he makes promises and won't keep them.  For example, he was claiming he'd be self-funding and unable to be bought by outside interest.  How long did that last?  Now, he's keen to get all of that money.  Sheldon Adelson's money will be accepted.  How many others?  Boone Pickens' money will be accepted.   It's all been a scam.  And he's been as close to the Clintons as any rich American in the nation.  He consulted Bill Clinton before he made this run for the nomination.  No other Republican candidate did that.

Getting rid of the neo-cons will enthuse some of Trump's base.  But what it really is is an example of how little he values a big tent approach and how little value he places in ideas.  He brags about being a common sense conservative.  In fact, he's a situational one.  He couldn't take over the Democrat Party, so he pretended to be a conservative.  He knows next to nothing about the subject.  As with the Moselms, so with the neo-cons, Trump discards allies so he can seem like he's his own man.   He is a disaster for conservatives.  He'll ruin the brand.

Final thought.   He feels comfortable attacking Bill Clinton, his former ally and wedding guest, about his sexual behavior.  Yet this is the pot calling the kettle black.  It's another example of his situational approach, in this case to ethics.   He's a fraud.

Underlined and emboldened are very good points.

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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2016, 12:35:56 pm »
Underlined and emboldened are very good points.
There are no Good #neverTrump points. Its a scam.
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

Isaiah 54:17

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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2016, 01:28:39 pm »
There are no Good #neverTrump points. Its a scam.

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Having been infected from toe-to-head, the entire U.S. political system is a scam.  Owned and operated by the few, for the few.

The whole world knows this.

The anomaly of Donald Trump is that he is stating this publicly, is a billionaire, and owes no money to anyone.

A dangerous place to be.

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Re: Trump leaving neocons in dust
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2016, 01:55:16 pm »
Right.  Trump is going to self-fund his campaign.  Oh, wait a minute.  Now, he's not going to self-fund.  He's going to get money from many other super rich people, like Boone Pickens, Shelton Adelson, and many, many more.  Trump is a fraud, a lowbrow, snake oil salesman, tent revivalist without a tent, a mountebank for the gullible.