Neocons 'Concerned' With Trump's Foreign Policy

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Neocons 'Concerned' With Trump's Foreign Policy
Monday, May 23, 2016 08:02 AM

By: Mark Swanson

Donald Trump's "America first" platform is pushing neoconservatives into a corner.

And though they're counterpunching in the form of op-eds, for example, eventually a choice will have to be made as Trump's policies advance: accept marginalization within the GOP or throw their support behind Hillary Clinton, a noted neocon herself.

"[Neoconservatives] are concerned for good reason," Michael O'Hanlon, a Democratic defense hawk told The Hill. "It's not just that their stance of foreign policy would be losing … all foreign policy schools would be losing influence under Trump with very unpredictable consequences."

Neocons, whose zenith of power came under President George W. Bush, want to spread America's brand of democracy by all means necessary, including invasions and regime change.

However, Trump's nationalist-first approach to foreign policy is a throwback to take care of America first, and let foreign countries figure it out for themselves. It calls to reject alliances, and trade deals that aren't good for America, and military interventions that cost too much, The Hill reports.

And Trump seems to have tapped into the hearts and minds of millions of Americans who feel the same way.

A recent Pew Research Center poll found that nearly six in 10 Americans said the U.S. should "deal with its own problems and let other countries deal with their own problems as best they can." That approach is more isolationist than neoconservative.

"It's not, 'Oh I really feel that the neoconservatism has come to a bad end and we need to hearken back to the realism of the Nixon administration,'" Danielle Pletka, senior vice president for foreign and defense policy at the American Enterprise Institute told The Hill.

 "I don't think Donald Trump believes in anything but Donald Trump, and that's why the right label for his movement is Trumpism."

[sinkspur]

Trump doesn't know history, has no awareness of anything he doesn't see on "the shows", and is not the least bit curious about foreign policy.

Colossal ignorance doesn't begin to describe this dummy.

[RedHead]

Trump doesn't have a foreign policy.  He has foreign suggestions.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Let's see:
-Abandon South Korea let's hope he doesn't do the same to Taiwan.
-Abandon Israel
-Break our word and Abandon NATO leaving his bud Putin a free hand to rebuild the USSR
-Impose high tariffs on imported goods plunging the world economy into a recession.
-Break our word and renege on the national debt ticking wrecking yet more havoc on the world economy.

You don't have to be Ben Carson to see that this is not a recipe for peace and prosperity.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump doesn't have a foreign policy.  He has foreign suggestions.

Sure he does:  Rebuild our military to the point where no one would dare mess with us, destroy ISIS, engage our allies in the fight; open a dialogue with Putin (reset, if you will  ^-^); transform NATO into a meaningful organization for the threats of the 21 century--implement equitable cost sharing; negotiate cost-sharing from nations receiving our military protection;  as the nation with the most control over N Korea, bring China into discussions about and control of N. Korea's military threat; support Israel; revisit the Iran Nuclear deal, with everything back on the table, including strict sanctions. 

To the extent trade is foreign policy, renegotiate trade agreements securing American interests and jobs, defeat TPP--an agreement not in our best interests.  To the extent securing US borders is foreign policy, build "the" wall, toughen US vetting processes for immigrants, students, refugees from Muslim countries in the Middle East.

These are just the proposals/policies that "jump" out at me.  I'm sure there are more.  But in a nutshell it's really about putting America first militarily and economically and turning our geopolitical position into the military superpower --- with smarts as well as weapons.

[sinkspur]

Trump is not going to increase the size of the military much at all.  There's no money, and Trump wants to drain even more money from the Treasury by giving an across-the-board tax cut to everybody without reforming any of the entitlement programs (the biggest drain on our economy). 

He's also not going to reopen any of the trade deals.  Those were decided years ago, have multiple nations involved, and most of those nations (including the US) are benefitting from trade deals.  So he can walk away if he wishes, but he will get nowhere in renegotiating NAFTA or any other multilateral trade deal. 

The Iran deal won't be reopened either.  That was a 6 nation deal, and many of those nations have already renewed trade with Iran.  France and Russia will veto any attempt to tamper with it.

Trump (and many of his supporters) don't seem to realize that multi-nation deals are not agreements that the US can simply impose its will on.  In addition, any Congress, Republican or Democrat, will insist on being involved because they will not trust Trump on foreign policy. 

It amazes me that people are falling for Trump's nonsense.

[Mechanicos]

Let's see:
-Abandon South Korea let's hope he doesn't do the same to Taiwan.
-Abandon Israel
-Break our word and Abandon NATO leaving his bud Putin a free hand to rebuild the USSR
-Impose high tariffs on imported goods plunging the world economy into a recession.
-Break our word and renege on the national debt ticking wrecking yet more havoc on the world economy.

You don't have to be Ben Carson to see that this is not a recipe for peace and prosperity.

What propaganda site did you get this load of fecal material from?

[Chosen Daughter]

Let's see:
-Abandon South Korea let's hope he doesn't do the same to Taiwan.
-Abandon Israel
-Break our word and Abandon NATO leaving his bud Putin a free hand to rebuild the USSR
-Impose high tariffs on imported goods plunging the world economy into a recession.
-Break our word and renege on the national debt ticking wrecking yet more havoc on the world economy.

You don't have to be Ben Carson to see that this is not a recipe for peace and prosperity.

nailed it!

[Right_in_Virginia]

nailed it!

@Chosen Daughter

Trump:   
-Rebuild our military to the point where no one would dare mess with us,
-destroy ISIS, engage our allies in the fight;
-open a dialogue with Putin (reset, if you will  ^-^);
-transform NATO into a meaningful organization for the threats of the 21 century--implement equitable cost sharing;
-negotiate cost-sharing from nations receiving our military protection; 
-as the nation with the most control over N Korea, bring China into discussions about and control of N. Korea's military threat;
-support Israel;
-revisit the Iran Nuclear deal, with everything back on the table, including strict sanctions. 

-To the extent trade is foreign policy, renegotiate trade agreements securing American interests and jobs,
-defeat TPP--an agreement not in our best interests. 
-To the extent securing US borders is foreign policy, build "the" wall, toughen US vetting processes for immigrants, students, refugees from Muslim countries in the Middle East.

These are just the proposals/policies that "jump" out at me.  I'm sure there are more.  But in a nutshell it's really about putting America first militarily and economically and turning our geopolitical position into the military superpower --- with smarts as well as weapons.

[elhombrelibre]

nailed it!

Yeah, that was a real good summary.  Trump's foreign policy is ad hoc.  It grounded, like his ethics and politics, in the moment and for the sound bite.  He's going to say whatever will boost him personally.  He's totally comfortable being close to the Clintons and being an extremely harsh critic of them.  At one time Conservatives liked to say that words mattered.  They said character mattered.  With Trump, nothing matters:  not logic, not contradictions, not a scandalous and adulterous lifestyle that he brazenly bragged about in his books, not ignorance, not his praise of foreign tyrants, not his contempt for prominent leaders in the Republican Party, not his vile insults to the family members of those who sought the presidency, not his crank conspiracy theories, not his desire to harness the press, and not his ever changing positions.

[Mechanicos]

@Chosen Daughter

Trump:   
-Rebuild our military to the point where no one would dare mess with us,
-destroy ISIS, engage our allies in the fight;
-open a dialogue with Putin (reset, if you will  ^-^);
-transform NATO into a meaningful organization for the threats of the 21 century--implement equitable cost sharing;
-negotiate cost-sharing from nations receiving our military protection; 
-as the nation with the most control over N Korea, bring China into discussions about and control of N. Korea's military threat;
-support Israel;
-revisit the Iran Nuclear deal, with everything back on the table, including strict sanctions. 

-To the extent trade is foreign policy, renegotiate trade agreements securing American interests and jobs,
-defeat TPP--an agreement not in our best interests. 
-To the extent securing US borders is foreign policy, build "the" wall, toughen US vetting processes for immigrants, students, refugees from Muslim countries in the Middle East.

These are just the proposals/policies that "jump" out at me.  I'm sure there are more.  But in a nutshell it's really about putting America first militarily and economically and turning our geopolitical position into the military superpower --- with smarts as well as weapons.

 

[olde north church]

I'm bettin' Trump knows "re-educating" his enemies will be too expensive.  I'm sure there will be, ahem, other methods to deal with the problem.   





 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@Chosen Daughter

Trump:   
-Rebuild our military to the point where no one would dare mess with us,
-destroy ISIS, engage our allies in the fight;
-open a dialogue with Putin (reset, if you will  ^-^);
-transform NATO into a meaningful organization for the threats of the 21 century--implement equitable cost sharing;
-negotiate cost-sharing from nations receiving our military protection; 
-as the nation with the most control over N Korea, bring China into discussions about and control of N. Korea's military threat;
-support Israel;
-revisit the Iran Nuclear deal, with everything back on the table, including strict sanctions. 

-To the extent trade is foreign policy, renegotiate trade agreements securing American interests and jobs,
-defeat TPP--an agreement not in our best interests. 
-To the extent securing US borders is foreign policy, build "the" wall, toughen US vetting processes for immigrants, students, refugees from Muslim countries in the Middle East.

These are just the proposals/policies that "jump" out at me.  I'm sure there are more.  But in a nutshell it's really about putting America first militarily and economically and turning our geopolitical position into the military superpower --- with smarts as well as weapons.

Negotiations with our enemies always work. Let's hope we get better deals than the students of Trump U.

[MBB1984]

Hillary Clinton gave us Benghazi where our American Ambassador and several other Americans were sodomized, raped and tortured.  Obama and Hillary gave Iran billions of dollars to continue Islamic Terrorism and to harass Israel and play a power role in the Middle East.  If that is not enough to convince you to vote for Trump, you are out of your mind.

[elhombrelibre]

@Chosen Daughter

Trump:   
-Rebuild our military to the point where no one would dare mess with us,
-destroy ISIS, engage our allies in the fight;
-open a dialogue with Putin (reset, if you will  ^-^);
-transform NATO into a meaningful organization for the threats of the 21 century--implement equitable cost sharing;
-negotiate cost-sharing from nations receiving our military protection; 
-as the nation with the most control over N Korea, bring China into discussions about and control of N. Korea's military threat;
-support Israel;
-revisit the Iran Nuclear deal, with everything back on the table, including strict sanctions. 

-To the extent trade is foreign policy, renegotiate trade agreements securing American interests and jobs,
-defeat TPP--an agreement not in our best interests. 
-To the extent securing US borders is foreign policy, build "the" wall, toughen US vetting processes for immigrants, students, refugees from Muslim countries in the Middle East.

These are just the proposals/policies that "jump" out at me.  I'm sure there are more.  But in a nutshell it's really about putting America first militarily and economically and turning our geopolitical position into the military superpower --- with smarts as well as weapons.

Trump doesn't deign to have real policies.   These are the "suggestions" that popped into his head from watching the shows.  He spend more time reading Penthouse than reading Foreign Policy Quarterly in his life.  Most of his supporters prefer National Enquirer.  Trump is a malicious, self-serving fraud.  He's the best think Hillary has going for her.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Negotiations with our enemies always work. Let's hope we get better deals than the students of Trump U.

What negotiations are you slamming?  The ones on trade??

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump doesn't deign to have real policies.   These are the "suggestions" that popped into his head from watching the shows.  He spend more time reading Penthouse than reading Foreign Policy Quarterly in his life.  Most of his supporters prefer National Enquirer.  Trump is a malicious, self-serving fraud.  He's the best think Hillary has going for her. 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

What negotiations are you slamming?  The ones on trade??

The ones with ISIS, Iran, Syria etc. Negotiating with terrorist just has such a great history.

The negotiations with the Norks are off to a wonderful start, DOA in fact: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,208406.msg895031.html#msg895031

[Idaho_Cowboy]

What negotiations are you slamming?  The ones on trade??

I'd say he's not going to make much head way with Iran either.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=208456.new#new

[Idaho_Cowboy]

What propaganda site did you get this load of fecal material from?

Straight from the horse's um, er mouth.

-South Korea
Trump complained that the United States received no benefit from deploying troops around the world to help other countries who did not reimburse American taxpayers. “We can’t be the policeman of the world,” said Trump.
 
“What we do get out of it?” he asked. “It’s time that other people stopped looking at us as stupid, stupid people.”
 
He pledged, if elected, “we are going to get these countries to pay but not only to pay all the money they owe us for many years … we’ve been carrying these countries”, he said.
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/02/donald-trump-north-korea-war-nuclear-weapons


-Jews in general:

Speaking at the Republican Jewish Coalition forum in Washington "You just like me because my daughter happens to be Jewish... The only bad news, I can't get her on Saturday!"

"Stupidly, you want to give money... But you're not going to support me because I don't want your money." “You want to control your own politicians,”

"Is there anyone in this room who doesn't renegotiate deals? Probably 99% of you. Probably more than any room I've ever spoken in."
 
And then: "I'm a negotiator, like you folks."
Ha ha, they are Jews get it! 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/03/trump_to_republican_jewish_coalition_youre_not_going_to_support_me_because_i_dont_want_your_money.html


-Israel:
"A lot will have to do with Israel and whether or not Israel wants to make the deal -- whether or not Israel's willing to sacrifice certain things," the real-estate mogul said. "They may not be, and I understand that, and I'm OK with that. But then you're just not going to have a deal."
Just what more can Israel give up to the terrorists who have sworn to kill them all and drive them into the sea?


-Nato
"I think NATO is obsolete,"
"NATO was done at a time you had the Soviet Union, which was obviously larger -- much larger than Russia is today."[/i]

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/274586-pentagon-nato-is-far-from-obsolete

He seems to think we are running a protection racket and can shake down our allies

"Frankly, they have to put up more money," he said. "We are paying disproportionately. It's too much, and frankly it's a different world than it was when we originally conceived of the idea."

For instance, Trump said Washington was "taking care" of Ukraine and that other European nations were not doing enough to support the Kiev government that has been locked in a long showdown with Moscow.
He doesn't have a clue about what Nato does based on that nonsense.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/elections-2016-final-five-highlights/


-Tarriffs
"I would do a tax. And the tax, let me tell you what the tax should be … the tax should be 45%,"[/i]
Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-45-tariff-chinese-imports-china-2016-1
Raise taxes, that's going to make it easier on the middle class. Sure thing King John; I mean Don.


-Debt
I’m the king of debt,” Trump told CNBC. That has a great history of not working well.
 
And as for paying it back? Well, if the economy crashed, “you could make a deal,” he explained.

Source: http://time.com/money/4320832/donald-trump-national-federal-debt-deal/#money/4320832/donald-trump-national-federal-debt-deal/

These plan worked swell for Greece, and Venezuela.

“I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal”

Faced with the utter implausibility of his idea, Trump quickly traded Greece for Venezuela, saying, “You never have to default because you print the money.” Not since Paul Krugman’s trillion-dollar coin has anyone seriously proposed inflating our way out of debt.

Source: Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435226/trump-and-national-debt

[Relic]

Trump doesn't deign to have real policies.   These are the "suggestions" that popped into his head from watching the shows.  He spend more time reading Penthouse than reading Foreign Policy Quarterly in his life.  Most of his supporters prefer National Enquirer.  Trump is a malicious, self-serving fraud.  He's the best think Hillary has going for her.

Not to worry, Hillary has a robust set of policies, bought and paid for by the Chinese and Saudis among others.

There's no doubt that those folks will recommend better policies for America.

[truth_seeker]

TRUMP: Peace through strength, same as Reagan

HILLARY: Our men in Benghazi were killed because of a Christian video

#nevertrumps for Hillary, everytime

Military Times survey: Troops prefer Trump to Clinton by a huge margin

In a new survey of American military personnel, Donald Trump emerged as active-duty service members' preference to become the next U.S. president, topping Hillary Clinton by more than a 2-to-1 margin. However, in the latest Military Times election survey, more than one in five troops said they’d rather not vote in November if they have to choose between just those two candidates.

But given only those choices, 21 percent of the service members surveyed said they would abstain from voting.More than 54 percent of the 951 troops Military Times surveyed said they would vote for Trump, the presumed Republican presidential nominee, over Clinton, the Democratic front-runner. Only about 25 percent said they would vote for Clinton in that matchup.

snip

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/

[Relic]

TRUMP: Peace through strength, same as Reagan

HILLARY: Our men in Benghazi were killed because of a Christian video

#nevertrumps for Hillary, everytime

Military Times survey: Troops prefer Trump to Clinton by a huge margin

In a new survey of American military personnel, Donald Trump emerged as active-duty service members' preference to become the next U.S. president, topping Hillary Clinton by more than a 2-to-1 margin. However, in the latest Military Times election survey, more than one in five troops said they’d rather not vote in November if they have to choose between just those two candidates.

But given only those choices, 21 percent of the service members surveyed said they would abstain from voting.More than 54 percent of the 951 troops Military Times surveyed said they would vote for Trump, the presumed Republican presidential nominee, over Clinton, the Democratic front-runner. Only about 25 percent said they would vote for Clinton in that matchup.

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http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/

The hate for Trump supersedes any possibility of good coming from a Trump presidency. If it's conservative to support the troops, and the troops want Trump then #nevertrump is ...?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The hate for Trump supersedes any possibility of good coming from a Trump presidency. If it's conservative to support the troops, and the troops want Trump then #nevertrump is ...?

I have zero confidence in Trump having much strategy or insight as Commander in Chief.

However, I do think he is far more likely to listen to the opinions of professional military advisors than is Hillary, and he'll be orders of magnitude less likely than Hillary to push the military as the engine of social change.  I also think he will be less likely than Hillary to be persuaded by the kind of alleged "human rights" concerns that led Hillary to support Libyan intervention.

[Relic]

I have zero confidence in Trump having much strategy or insight as Commander in Chief.

However, I do think he is far more likely to listen to the opinions of professional military advisors than is Hillary, and he'll be orders of magnitude less likely than Hillary to push the military as the engine of social change.  I also think he will be less likely than Hillary to be persuaded by the kind of alleged "human rights" concerns that led Hillary to support Libyan intervention.

Trump is not a good person. He's not a person I'd pick for president. But the #nevertrump crowd wants it both ways. They say, you don't know what Trump will do, but, they do suppose that he will do, or not do certain things. Either you don't know, or you do know, you can't sort of know.

I find this election to be more troubling than any in my lifetime, because both candidates are so abysmal. But, as you point out in this case, there are things that Trump most likely will be clearly better handling than Clinton.

So, with regret over the position my country finds itself in, I will vote Trump.