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Re: Trump Mania
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2016, 01:27:30 am »
Well that's all I needed to hear...he's got my vote now...................../s

Well in contrast to the racist, misogynist ogre he's been made out to be here  by anti-Trumps, I thought it was an informative, refreshing change. :patriot:

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« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2016, 01:54:17 am »
Did not Hitler meld the two disparate ideas of nationalism and socialism? One could not be an effective demagogue working over both of those groups sticking to either rigid ideology alone. Of course he engaged in deals and salesmanship. He took classes on oratory and showmanship; they became trademarks of his style.

The one place where he's not the same as Trump is in his support for eugenics and genocide. Thankfully even Trump is not that insane. But the same threatening approach toward dissidents, the demagoguery, the blatant disregard for truth—these things share a lot in common with the dangerous despots of the world.

Socialism?

Two points:
1) The Nazis fought and murdered Socialists in the streets and interned them. The term "Socialist" in their moniker does not mean what you seem to think it means.
2) Donald Trump is certainly one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists on the planet...but you consider him a socialist? Really? Are you confused about left and right, up and down...other basic "opposites"?
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Re: Trump Mania
« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2016, 02:05:50 am »
Socialism?

Two points:
1) The Nazis fought and murdered Socialists in the streets and interned them. The term "Socialist" in their moniker does not mean what you seem to think it means.
2) Donald Trump is certainly one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists on the planet...but you consider him a socialist? Really? Are you confused about left and right, up and down...other basic "opposites"?

There are 120 Americans who are greater Capitalists than Trump.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/gallery/donald-trump
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« Reply #78 on: May 03, 2016, 02:10:28 am »
There are 120 Americans who are greater Capitalists than Trump.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/gallery/donald-trump

Which means there are 318.91 million who are lesser Capitalists than him. Pretty good odds by any measure.
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« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2016, 02:13:38 am »
Which means there are 318.91 million who are lesser Capitalists than him. Pretty good odds by any measure.

He's certainly not one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists in the world. Hell, he wouldn't make the top 500, especially since Forbes values his net worth at $4 billion, not 10.  Ross Perot had Trump money back in the 80s when a billion was REALLY a billion.
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Re: Trump Mania
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2016, 02:57:08 am »
Where do jobs come from?

When people want jobs, the only way the government can have an impact is to directly create them, either two ways: increasing the public sector, or going to war.

How about pipeline approvals? That is an example of where a mere government go ahead unleashes spending and employment.

Military spending also adds employment, to stay strong to avoid war. Remember Regan, peace through strength?

You should maybe not try business and economics, and I will stay away from weather forecasting.
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Re: Trump Mania
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2016, 03:23:14 am »
I have no control over your ability to read my posts. I have repeatedly stated why I favor Trump and why others do. You anti/neverTrumps are just blinded by hatred, vulgarity and self-righteousness.

Did Free Republic Zot you???  What a stupid question!  We don't think ALL Trumpers are like Mr. Wonderful on the street--just most of his supporters--but we are  "blinded by our ....and whatever.

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« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2016, 04:52:30 am »
@HootOwl   

Is that fourth sentence the beginning of your "response" in the quote box? Because it isn't my quote.  You appear to be a bit confused.

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« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2016, 08:08:44 am »
So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.

If you're supporting someone who has bashed the Reagan tax cuts...supported partial birth abortion...donated to every GOPe and hard left Libtard in Congress...praised Obama AND Hillary...then YES no matter how much you call yourself a "Conservative"....you are a dupe a fool ignorant and stupid.
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« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2016, 08:10:25 am »
Which means there are 318.91 million who are lesser Capitalists than him. Pretty good odds by any measure.

Herbert Hoover was great capitalist...sucked as President.  Gave us the Great Depression and FDR.

Just sayin...
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« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2016, 08:15:11 am »
Socialism?

Two points:
1) The Nazis fought and murdered Socialists in the streets and interned them. The term "Socialist" in their moniker does not mean what you seem to think it means.

Ummm what part of "Socialist" in  National Socialist German Workers' Party... Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte...(NAZI Party for short) are we not understanding?

They didn't murder "Socialists" in the streets...they imprisioned and murdered Communists and Bolsheviks.




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2) Donald Trump is certainly one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists on the planet...but you consider him a socialist? Really? Are you confused about left and right, up and down...other basic "opposites"?

He's not even close.
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« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2016, 08:57:10 am »
If you're supporting someone who has bashed the Reagan tax cuts...supported partial birth abortion...donated to every GOPe and hard left Libtard in Congress...praised Obama AND Hillary...then YES no matter how much you call yourself a "Conservative"....you are a dupe a fool ignorant and stupid.

FYI  You may want to dispose of the personal insults. They are not looked upon kindly here.

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« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2016, 09:37:17 am »
FYI  You may want to dispose of the personal insults. They are not looked upon kindly here.

Ummm there was no personal insult directed towards you. 

Trust me...those that know me here from other places...including FR will tell you that you'll know if a personal insult has been direted towards you.

I was merely repeating part of your question you tossed out as far as what it means if a "Conservative" supports Trump.

You asked "does that mean that they are X,Y,Z"?

I replied that YES it does make you "X,Y.Z".

Now if YOU take that as a personal insult...then that's on you.  Learn to either ask better questions or learn to not take every response to questions you pose as an affront to you personally.

Either way...it's on you.
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« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2016, 09:38:14 am »
FYI  You may want to dispose of the personal insults. They are not looked upon kindly here.

And as an aside...quite frankly...WTF are YOU gonna do about it anyway?
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« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2016, 10:06:12 am »
And as an aside...quite frankly...WTF are YOU gonna do about it anyway?

He'll do nothing. Maybe complain (Note, he has not), and I do detest being bothered by reports.

Don't insult members. It is one of the two fixed rules here. The other is don't be a dick.

Now, I'm not seeing an actual direct insult here, but it is borderline. Even with the use of "If" in front of the word "you."

For future reference, use "Anyone who ... ." That can simply not be construed as a direct insult to a member.

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« Reply #90 on: May 03, 2016, 11:32:24 am »
He'll do nothing. Maybe complain (Note, he has not), and I do detest being bothered by reports.

IMHO He's a pot stirrer....figured that out already.

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Don't insult members. It is one of the two fixed rules here.

No worries.  He's doing it to himself.


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The other is don't be a dick.

Nah I'm just an bleep   But a friendly one.  :)

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Now, I'm not seeing an actual direct insult here, but it is borderline. Even with the use of "If" in front of the word "you."

For future reference, use "Anyone who ... ." That can simply not be construed as a direct insult to a member.

Just to clarify....and to help you understand the context to which my answer applied...this is what I responded to.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204512.msg859065.html#msg859065

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So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.

Despite the pot stirrer's intent to make my reply about he/she/it...it was intended towards his/her question in the post.
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« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2016, 04:15:35 pm »
Ummm what part of "Socialist" in  National Socialist German Workers' Party... Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte...(NAZI Party for short) are we not understanding?

They didn't murder "Socialists" in the streets...they imprisioned and murdered Communists and Bolsheviks.




He's not even close.

Seriously, pick up a history book. Hitler totally disavowed any genuine "socialist" leanings within his party and purged anyone who deviated from his line. And you are dead wrong, he imprisoned and murdered Socialists...by the bucket load.
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« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2016, 04:26:40 pm »
Seriously, pick up a history book. Hitler totally disavowed any genuine "socialist" leanings within his party and purged anyone who deviated from his line. And you are dead wrong, he imprisoned and murdered Socialists...by the bucket load.

Well, if he disavowed them, that's that.
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« Reply #93 on: May 03, 2016, 07:02:57 pm »
Seriously, pick up a history book. Hitler totally disavowed any genuine "socialist" leanings within his party and purged anyone who deviated from his line. And you are dead wrong, he imprisoned and murdered Socialists...by the bucket load.

I do read history.  Hell I've walked through the Inernment Camps here in Germany and seen the history of who was imprisoned and why.  Hitler didn't start with the Jews.

He started with the Communists.

Then the Gypsies.

Once he had the Camp system perfected...he went after the Jews.
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« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2016, 11:44:59 pm »
I do read history.  Hell I've walked through the Inernment Camps here in Germany and seen the history of who was imprisoned and why.  Hitler didn't start with the Jews.

He started with the Communists.

Then the Gypsies.

Once he had the Camp system perfected...he went after the Jews.

I too have walked through some of the camps, Dachau in particular. I lived in Germany for nearly 5 years as a soldier. But none of that means I know about the history of the Third Reich. That comes from study, and you clearly have done little. Everyone knows he came for the Gypsies and Communists...you left out the mentally and physically handicapped as well...so this is not some sort of insight. Hitler and the Nazis hunted Socialists and sent them to the camps. The use of the term "Socialist" in the party name referred only to citizenship and privileges for Aryans...not to an economic system as you are suggesting. Keep reading, bro.
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« Reply #95 on: May 04, 2016, 08:08:34 am »
I too have walked through some of the camps, Dachau in particular. I lived in Germany for nearly 5 years as a soldier. But none of that means I know about the history of the Third Reich. That comes from study, and you clearly have done little. Everyone knows he came for the Gypsies and Communists...you left out the mentally and physically handicapped as well...so this is not some sort of insight. Hitler and the Nazis hunted Socialists and sent them to the camps. The use of the term "Socialist" in the party name referred only to citizenship and privileges for Aryans...not to an economic system as you are suggesting. Keep reading, bro.

I was trying to keep it simple for you.  Since you seemed confused about the word Socialism in the NAZI Party name I didn't want to get too technical for you.

I have to admit that this is unusual...first time a Conservative has made the argument you're making...99.9% of the time I've heard what you're saying...it's come from the thumb suckers at DU.

Just saying...
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« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2016, 03:15:35 pm »
I was trying to keep it simple for you.  Since you seemed confused about the word Socialism in the NAZI Party name I didn't want to get too technical for you.

I have to admit that this is unusual...first time a Conservative has made the argument you're making...99.9% of the time I've heard what you're saying...it's come from the thumb suckers at DU.

Just saying...

One of us is confused, and its the guy who thinks the term Socialism in National Socialism refers to Nazi economic policy. You are looking at the terms "Nationalism" and "Socialism" in their moniker as separate things, but they were intended as "National Socialism" a concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans. In other words, it doesn't mean what you think it does. This is not a "left or right" view of Nazism, it is simply stating how Hitler and the Nazis viewed and promoted themselves.

Finally, no idea what "DU" is but if that is where you came its not a place I'd like to go.
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« Reply #97 on: May 04, 2016, 09:02:34 pm »
One of us is confused, and its the guy who thinks the term Socialism in National Socialism refers to Nazi economic policy. You are looking at the terms "Nationalism" and "Socialism" in their moniker as separate things, but they were intended as "National Socialism" a concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans. In other words, it doesn't mean what you think it does. This is not a "left or right" view of Nazism, it is simply stating how Hitler and the Nazis viewed and promoted themselves.

Finally, no idea what "DU" is but if that is where you came its not a place I'd like to go.
DU is Democratic Underground; it's a left-wing political message board.

As for your contention that "National Socialism" was some sort of "concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans." Nothing about that is true, except perhaps the unity part. The nationalist part may cover that, but socialism, in all of its forms, is socialism. Democratic, nationalist, totalitarian, whatever. They would not have included socialist in its party name had they not been influenced by socialism.

Remember, until the early 1940s, the Nazis and the Soviet Union were allies.
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« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2016, 10:13:19 pm »
Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.
At the risk of being slapped upside the head by Godwin's law (I despise Godwin's law by the way. Why can mention the Holy Roman Empire, but not Hitler. History is history. I'm not saying Trump is Hitler). Hitler made some great 'deals' with Chamberlain and Stalin.
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« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2016, 01:52:18 am »
DU is Democratic Underground; it's a left-wing political message board.

As for your contention that "National Socialism" was some sort of "concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans." Nothing about that is true, except perhaps the unity part. The nationalist part may cover that, but socialism, in all of its forms, is socialism. Democratic, nationalist, totalitarian, whatever. They would not have included socialist in its party name had they not been influenced by socialism.

Remember, until the early 1940s, the Nazis and the Soviet Union were allies.

Look up the Strasser brothers, and let me know why they were purged from the Nazi party...one of them being killed a few years later?
I'll await your research.
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