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« Reply #376 on: September 20, 2016, 06:36:14 pm »
The twist was really good, admittedly. You pretty much had to see the show in its entirety, and the first few times I ran across it, I got bits and pieces of it. Finally, when I got a chance to watch the whole thing it was pretty good.


I thought that was a good movie. The ending was kinda surprising.
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« Reply #378 on: September 20, 2016, 09:09:20 pm »
The Amazing Firefly Scene That Never Got Filmed, According To Nathan Fillion

Let's cut to the chase...

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Joss once described an opening scene to me where we are looking at a planet with a ring around it and as we come in close, we see the ring is actually rocks and pieces of ships and old derelicts. It's a junk ring. It's the junkyards - we mentioned it in Firefly one time. We see little bits and we're jumping slowly from bit to bit and as we get closer we see Serenity floating lifeless and these little people getting on and coming through it. And as they get into the airlock and they close it, they come and there's Malcolm Reynolds, bleeding and cut, strapped down with giant guns and not looking great. He's got these two giant guns, and he says, 'Get off my ship.'



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« Reply #379 on: September 20, 2016, 09:21:36 pm »
The Amazing Firefly Scene That Never Got Filmed, According To Nathan Fillion

Let's cut to the chase...

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1557690/the-amazing-firefly-scene-that-never-got-filmed-according-to-nathan-fillion

Firefly was an awesome show.

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« Reply #380 on: September 25, 2016, 04:56:20 pm »
I was surprised to learn . . . in my study of globalism . . . how intimately H.G. Wells was tied into their organization, strategies, schemes and plans.

Have you looked at the William Thompson thread of mine?

I think his efforts at now age 93 . . . MUST be considered with the efforts of Tom de Longe as well as the Pope and his observatory's comments the last year or so regarding the "ET" critters.

SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY SHIFTING.

I was also surprised to see how many pages of official documents William Thompson included in his book etc.




The Time Machine http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054387/--which followed the book quite well, War of the Worlds (1953)http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046534/?ref_=nv_sr_3 (which did and didn't, but was still good). And just for fun Tremors
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« Reply #381 on: September 25, 2016, 05:23:51 pm »
I was surprised to learn . . . in my study of globalism . . . how intimately H.G. Wells was tied into their organization, strategies, schemes and plans.

Have you looked at the William Thompson thread of mine?

I think his efforts at now age 93 . . . MUST be considered with the efforts of Tom de Longe as well as the Pope and his observatory's comments the last year or so regarding the "ET" critters.

SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY SHIFTING.

I was also surprised to see how many pages of official documents William Thompson included in his book etc.

Yes, Wells was a globalist. Sad, but true, but likely an outgrowth of the Darwinian concept that man was evolving and advancing toward some more advanced form, which would naturally be able to get along and dispense with the myriad boundaries and squabbles that had kept Europe bloody for well over a millennium...little did he know what was coming when he wrote the books that made him famous for fiction. WWI was barely 20 years away when he published the first of his best known novels.

It turns out he was a biologist, too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells, so my thoughts on Darwinian influence may be valid.

Yet in the Time Machine, he abandons that idea and predicts a serious (some say nuclear) war that causes the dystopian future of the Eloi and the Morlocks.

Similarly, in the War of the Worlds, he 'saves' the planet with some of the most humble creatures on it--bacteria.

"Scientific Socialism" was a bit of a fad in those days, as well, and that may have contributed to his Globalist mentality.
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« Reply #382 on: September 25, 2016, 05:44:20 pm »
Yes, Wells was a globalist. Sad, but true, but likely an outgrowth of the Darwinian concept that man was evolving and advancing toward some more advanced form, which would naturally be able to get along and dispense with the myriad boundaries and squabbles that had kept Europe bloody for well over a millennium...little did he know what was coming when he wrote the books that made him famous for fiction. WWI was barely 20 years away when he published the first of his best known novels.

It turns out he was a biologist, too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells, so my thoughts on Darwinian influence may be valid.

Yet in the Time Machine, he abandons that idea and predicts a serious (some say nuclear) war that causes the dystopian future of the Eloi and the Morlocks.

Similarly, in the War of the Worlds, he 'saves' the planet with some of the most humble creatures on it--bacteria.

"Scientific Socialism" was a bit of a fad in those days, as well, and that may have contributed to his Globalist mentality.

INDEED. Well put.

Some would say that Wells was used by the globalists to do their typical "warning" of the world about what they were going to do . . . as their sort of 'sportsman-like' thing. Perhaps so.

They arrogantly like to warn the world and then proceed on laughing at the powerless simpletons who are too clueless to pay attention or notice and/or too powerless to do anything about even brazen warnings of the most genocidal atrocities.
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« Reply #383 on: September 25, 2016, 07:31:18 pm »
This looks interesting:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVXQq2u6OP0

One of the stories I am writing is based on a man and woman awake on a sleeper ship that is miles long!! There is also a good, friendly robot that rides on a rail in the ceiling and a main computer that could be good or not. Thankfully mine also has bad guys and bad robots and battles through the corridors.

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« Reply #384 on: September 25, 2016, 11:34:11 pm »
One of the stories I am writing is based on a man and woman awake on a sleeper ship that is miles long!! There is also a good, friendly robot that rides on a rail in the ceiling and a main computer that could be good or not. Thankfully mine also has bad guys and bad robots and battles through the corridors.


I think this is more of a love story, so I'm waiting till it comes out either on a streaming service.
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« Reply #385 on: September 25, 2016, 11:50:03 pm »

I think this is more of a love story, so I'm waiting till it comes out either on a streaming service.

his toy robot was very un-futuristic IMO

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« Reply #386 on: September 26, 2016, 12:05:26 am »
his toy robot was very un-futuristic IMO


True, however, I like the ship and the concept.. Suspended animation until they get to the planet.
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« Reply #387 on: September 26, 2016, 03:16:25 am »

True, however, I like the ship and the concept.. Suspended animation until they get to the planet.
So, if you go from place to place at relativistic speeds, does that mean you suffer from sleep deprivation?
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« Reply #388 on: September 26, 2016, 03:20:12 am »
So, if you go from place to place at relativistic speeds, does that mean you suffer from sleep deprivation?


Who knows. I'm not scientist nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express...
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« Reply #389 on: September 26, 2016, 03:32:05 am »

Who knows. I'm not scientist nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express...
I guess I will just file that with the 'headlights' question...
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« Reply #390 on: September 26, 2016, 08:41:36 pm »
Yep.  I watched it in college.  Now I have all the seasons on DVD.  (if it ever comes out on Blu-ray... I'll upgrade it).  I really thought the season four finale - The Deconstruction of Falling Stars - was the best hour-long TV show episode I'd ever seen.

And to have part of it imitating "A Canticle for Liebowitz" was just briliant.
Holy Crap!! This is the first forum I have visited where someone read that magnificent book.

I don't suppose anyone here has also read Gene Wolfe's "Severian Series" !?! I worship that bastard's writing. If I had an eidetic memory as he does, then I'd try to write that well too.  It's not fair to us mere mortals.

Come to thimk (sic) of it, I wonder how many other great writers have eidetic memories (at least who would admit to it). 

 Has anyone else read Lindsey's "A Voyage to Arcturus" !?! Without running too far afield here I noticed immediately how CS Lewis obviously read Arcturus in how it positively influenced some of the imagery his own magnificent Space Trilogy.

I'd really enjoy getting some best SF book lists from some of you nice folks to cover some of the one's I've probably missed.
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« Reply #391 on: September 26, 2016, 08:59:46 pm »
Holy Crap!! This is the first forum I have visited where someone read that magnificent book.

I don't suppose anyone here has also read Gene Wolfe's "Severian Series" !?! I worship that bastard's writing. If I had an eidetic memory as he does, then I'd try to write that well too.  It's not fair to us mere mortals.

Come to thimk (sic) of it, I wonder how many other great writers have eidetic memories (at least who would admit to it). 

 Has anyone else read Lindsey's "A Voyage to Arcturus" !?! Without running too far afield here I noticed immediately how CS Lewis obviously read Arcturus in how it positively influenced some of the imagery his own magnificent Space Trilogy.

I'd really enjoy getting some best SF book lists from some of you nice folks to cover some of the one's I've probably missed.

You're kidding.  Any serious SF reader should have read "A Canticle for Liebowitz."  And Wolfe's "The Book of the New Sun" is a classic tetralogy.
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Holy Crap!! This is the first forum I have visited where someone read that magnificent book.

I don't suppose anyone here has also read Gene Wolfe's "Severian Series" !?! I worship that bastard's writing. If I had an eidetic memory as he does, then I'd try to write that well too.  It's not fair to us mere mortals.

Come to thimk (sic) of it, I wonder how many other great writers have eidetic memories (at least who would admit to it). 

 Has anyone else read Lindsey's "A Voyage to Arcturus" !?! Without running too far afield here I noticed immediately how CS Lewis obviously read Arcturus in how it positively influenced some of the imagery his own magnificent Space Trilogy.

I'd really enjoy getting some best SF book lists from some of you nice folks to cover some of the one's I've probably missed.
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« Reply #393 on: September 27, 2016, 09:13:39 pm »
The Exorcist: The Television Series

Did anyone catch the premier of The Exorcist TV series this past Friday on Fox? I did and I was pleasantly surprised, despite the presence of Geena Davis in the cast.

Here are some helpful links about the show:

Official site, where you can also watch the episodes online.

Wikipedia article

IMDb page

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I read A Canitcle for Leibowitz in High School. I can honestly say it has affected my thinking toward Archaeology in general, and how we view ancient Civilizations. As a geologist, that had me looking at other possibilities as well for leads to early settlement in North America.

Hopefully a not tooo cheeky a question . . .

What is your opinion, Smoken Joe,

about

WHY so many folks are much more eager to discuss science FICTION . . . that more or less has little daily life influence beyond entertainment . . . from a given novel or movie . . .

and yet totally refuse to discuss the facts and realities (or even the more plausible hypotheticals, various scenarios etc) of UFO stuff

which WILL DEFINITELY influence the lives of every person on the planet in the not distant future--in rather negative ways?

Oh . . . ridicule?

Or is it toooooooooooooo verboten, embarrassing to post anything on the "RESIDENT NUTTER's" threads?

Mystifying to this psychologist/sociologist
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« Reply #395 on: September 28, 2016, 04:36:32 am »
Hopefully a not tooo cheeky a question . . .

What is your opinion, Smoken Joe,

about

WHY so many folks are much more eager to discuss science FICTION . . . that more or less has little daily life influence beyond entertainment . . . from a given novel or movie . . .

and yet totally refuse to discuss the facts and realities (or even the more plausible hypotheticals, various scenarios etc) of UFO stuff

which WILL DEFINITELY influence the lives of every person on the planet in the not distant future--in rather negative ways?

Oh . . . ridicule?

Or is it toooooooooooooo verboten, embarrassing to post anything on the "RESIDENT NUTTER's" threads?

Mystifying to this psychologist/sociologist
Fantasy is more comfortable, for starters. We can dream about anything from committing vile murder in our darkest moments, to lurid sexual involvement, to taking the simple steps to great wealth, all possibilities from the most vile evil to doing great humanitarian good, personal or otherwise, but given the opportunity to do so, would we actually engage in the activity of our dreams, be that diabolical or benevolent or even neutral in nature?

We are equally unlikely to actually turn those dreams into reality, good or bad, given the opportunity. Call it normalcy bias, inertia, fear of success, fear of punishment, even revulsion at our own imaginative capacity for evil, but people are comfortable with the status quo, despite being so adaptable as to even fall prey to seeing the situation that leads to Stockholm Syndrome as that status quo.

To step outside the comfortable boundaries of accepted reality and confront other possibilities as  reality is a big step for most people, often too big, even if for their benefit.

While they are willing to watch Star Wars, Knowing, or Close Encounters of the Third Kind and suspend disbelief for a couple hours, they aren't willing to actually live it.

No thanks, that would make them feel small, insignificant, threatened, or dumb, but most of all, afraid.

Among humans, one group fears change and fears the unknown.
Another, smaller, group charges into the darkness, if for no other reason than innate curiosity, these people intrepidly crave knowing what is over the next hill or around the bend in the river, and has ever looked at the night sky, wishing, wondering, pondering what it would be like to travel among the stars. Before aircraft, they dreamed of flying, too.

The latter group still, in full recognition of the stoic desire of that larger group to maintain it's comfort zone, either refuses to openly acknowledge any unconventional possibilities (much less steadfast beliefs) out of fear of being ostracized, of losing status, and even more fear of ridicule. Those challenges to the status quo will only occur after incontrovertible proof has been obtained, otherwise, most will keep silent in their newfound knowledge, or confine it to a very small group.
Some will step forward anyway.
Despite some of those who claim to have seen or other wise encountered vehicles for which they cannot assign an earthly origin having been well versed in flight mechanics, conventional and military aircraft types and their performance parameters, careers can be ended by insisting what they saw was a real vehicle of a type unknown to them with performance parameters which vastly exceed known aircraft types. Those who make the best witnesses are often people who have a position of responsibility and would lose that by testifying, especially if there was no other evidence. We won't even go into the testimony of those less qualified or ridiculed for being 'probed'.

As I believe this election proves, those among the human population, capable of rational thought, even in the presence of physical and incontrovertible evidence, are in the minority.

The flip side:
Claiming contact with aliens, or claiming to have evidence of such contact any time from the distant past to the present achieves a certain notoriety which can be exploited for personal gain, both pecuniary and of a certain prestige among those who earnestly want to believe.

Most alleged evidence is shaky, anecdotal, increasingly able to have been manipulated, and brought into question by obvious frauds, and for those reasons easily discredited. Fraud doesn't help decipher what is or isn't as far as all that goes, and past frauds may tend to discredit future evidence. If I, as an Alien, wanted my presence to be disbelieved, I'd drive a craft with a side profile like a vintage International Harvester hubcap (roughly a bell curve), and no one would believe I existed.
 
For those who believe humans originated as a series of random accidents leading eventually to a sentinent life form, out of billions of stars and billions of planets, in untold galaxies, and perhaps even universes, there is a distinct possibility that the same sort of postulated random events could have occurred on another planet or planets and not been wiped out by cosmic accident or any of the other ELEs that bring a species to an end. Even the possibility that they developed space travel, or that they might be more benevolent than adversarial to humans would exist.

But that doesn't mean that people who believe all that are willing to step outside that comfortable envelope of being the most highly developed creature on the planet (at least by Darwinian catechism) and yield that developmental promontory to some new arrival, nor cede that any of the development of humans or their civilization was the result of tampering by any extraterrestrial race, even as they fantasize about 'the next step', or even finding 'life!' on other planets.

The unspoken hope is that any 'life' found elsewhere is primitive, exploitable, and able to be readily conquered, just so humans can maintain their position on the pinnacle.
Even the fictional life forms in stories like Star Wars are, arguably, lesser beings.
 
That that life could go zipping along interstellar distances (when we can't) is unthinkable, or at least undesirable, unless, of course, they came to share that tech and seek our aid solving their problems (which we could do without ceding our spot as the apex of development--so far, of course). And no one wants to stop being the Apex predator. It's far too comfortable at the top of the food chain.

As a Christian, if The Almighty breathed life into the clay, molded in His image, does that mean He didn't do that elsewhere, too? Hmm. Good question, and one I expect He will answer some day. At least in the meantime, I am content to feel very special. (Which, incidentally, places our species at that pinnacle, again, just as the Darwinists would have, but by a very different route).

I will forego the "crevo" arguments that have devastated other fora, and just say there are different schools of thought, but psychologically, they arrive on the same mountaintop: we are, in our own minds, the preeminent species in the universe, and will not willingly relinquish that pedestal, not without a fight. So despite fantasy, we really don't want to believe, and because of that, anyone who suggests otherwise will be met with disbelief, ridicule and loss of status, and the unfiltered anger of those 'in the know', which are the first three steps leading to the sudden and almost universal embrace of any scientific concept, usually credited to the very prestigious people who fought against it hardest, to the final denigration of the person or persons who introduced the concept, who may or may not be recognized for doing so until some decades after their death.

As a scientist, I look skeptically at the evidence and remain unconvinced--of everything I am not willing to take on faith. Yes, that even includes the improbable series of events which we call 'evolution'.

In the extraterrestrial arena, ever present is the human penchant for fraud, and all evidence must be weighed in that light, and against the possible gain to be had by those who present it. Is there an ulterior motive, will it sell books, t-shirts, get speaking fees, TV appearances, maybe even a show?  Or does the admission of events lead down a different road for the person presenting evidence? Do they do so as speculation, or are they trying to craft a following of 'believers' for fun and profit? Or are they profoundly affected by events they are sure happened and trying to alert/inform/notify others despite the derision they know they will be subjected to?

Do/did they have physical evidence? And was it confiscated and suppressed? (which takes us back to do you want to believe?)

There are things I have seen in the night sky which I cannot identify (none of which I would claim as a vehicle of extraterrestrial origin). I chalk that up to my own ignorance of flight patterns and other phenomena, but failing to have more direct and definitive evidence am not going to call the newspapers.

Yet, what is, is, if it is, that is.

But humans will not acknowledge it if it threatens their importance as a species, or even as an individual. 

That doesn't even go into the various motives governments might have for not admitting any contact, just people in general.
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« Reply #396 on: September 28, 2016, 05:11:14 am »
THANKS BIG for such a wonderfully EXCELLENT analysis!

I rather agree wholesale. That's a very rare thing. LOL.

Am going to see if I can dig up some local folks who'd be interesting in a brain-storming discussion group--preferably of authentic Christians as I don't think others are equipped to deal with the whole of the realities involved.

I've thought of teaching a weekend class on it at the local college. But that would collect a rather motley crew . . . still, might be a way to connect with some good thinkers.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR KIND RESPONSE AND ANALYSIS.

May I share please it on my 'end of the sidewalk' thread on TheRightReasons.net ? Only members can see it there.

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Fantasy is more comfortable, for starters. We can dream about anything from committing vile murder in our darkest moments, to lurid sexual involvement, to taking the simple steps to great wealth, all possibilities from the most vile evil to doing great humanitarian good, personal or otherwise, but given the opportunity to do so, would we actually engage in the activity of our dreams, be that diabolical or benevolent or even neutral in nature?

We are equally unlikely to actually turn those dreams into reality, good or bad, given the opportunity. Call it normalcy bias, inertia, fear of success, fear of punishment, even revulsion at our own imaginative capacity for evil, but people are comfortable with the status quo, despite being so adaptable as to even fall prey to seeing the situation that leads to Stockholm Syndrome as that status quo.

To step outside the comfortable boundaries of accepted reality and confront other possibilities as  reality is a big step for most people, often too big, even if for their benefit.

While they are willing to watch Star Wars, Knowing, or Close Encounters of the Third Kind and suspend disbelief for a couple hours, they aren't willing to actually live it.

No thanks, that would make them feel small, insignificant, threatened, or dumb, but most of all, afraid.

Among humans, one group fears change and fears the unknown.
Another, smaller, group charges into the darkness, if for no other reason than innate curiosity, these people intrepidly crave knowing what is over the next hill or around the bend in the river, and has ever looked at the night sky, wishing, wondering, pondering what it would be like to travel among the stars. Before aircraft, they dreamed of flying, too.

The latter group still, in full recognition of the stoic desire of that larger group to maintain it's comfort zone, either refuses to openly acknowledge any unconventional possibilities (much less steadfast beliefs) out of fear of being ostracized, of losing status, and even more fear of ridicule. Those challenges to the status quo will only occur after incontrovertible proof has been obtained, otherwise, most will keep silent in their newfound knowledge, or confine it to a very small group.
Some will step forward anyway.
Despite some of those who claim to have seen or other wise encountered vehicles for which they cannot assign an earthly origin having been well versed in flight mechanics, conventional and military aircraft types and their performance parameters, careers can be ended by insisting what they saw was a real vehicle of a type unknown to them with performance parameters which vastly exceed known aircraft types. Those who make the best witnesses are often people who have a position of responsibility and would lose that by testifying, especially if there was no other evidence. We won't even go into the testimony of those less qualified or ridiculed for being 'probed'.

As I believe this election proves, those among the human population, capable of rational thought, even in the presence of physical and incontrovertible evidence, are in the minority.

The flip side:
Claiming contact with aliens, or claiming to have evidence of such contact any time from the distant past to the present achieves a certain notoriety which can be exploited for personal gain, both pecuniary and of a certain prestige among those who earnestly want to believe.

Most alleged evidence is shaky, anecdotal, increasingly able to have been manipulated, and brought into question by obvious frauds, and for those reasons easily discredited. Fraud doesn't help decipher what is or isn't as far as all that goes, and past frauds may tend to discredit future evidence. If I, as an Alien, wanted my presence to be disbelieved, I'd drive a craft with a side profile like a vintage International Harvester hubcap (roughly a bell curve), and no one would believe I existed.
 
For those who believe humans originated as a series of random accidents leading eventually to a sentinent life form, out of billions of stars and billions of planets, in untold galaxies, and perhaps even universes, there is a distinct possibility that the same sort of postulated random events could have occurred on another planet or planets and not been wiped out by cosmic accident or any of the other ELEs that bring a species to an end. Even the possibility that they developed space travel, or that they might be more benevolent than adversarial to humans would exist.

But that doesn't mean that people who believe all that are willing to step outside that comfortable envelope of being the most highly developed creature on the planet (at least by Darwinian catechism) and yield that developmental promontory to some new arrival, nor cede that any of the development of humans or their civilization was the result of tampering by any extraterrestrial race, even as they fantasize about 'the next step', or even finding 'life!' on other planets.

The unspoken hope is that any 'life' found elsewhere is primitive, exploitable, and able to be readily conquered, just so humans can maintain their position on the pinnacle.
Even the fictional life forms in stories like Star Wars are, arguably, lesser beings.
 
That that life could go zipping along interstellar distances (when we can't) is unthinkable, or at least undesirable, unless, of course, they came to share that tech and seek our aid solving their problems (which we could do without ceding our spot as the apex of development--so far, of course). And no one wants to stop being the Apex predator. It's far too comfortable at the top of the food chain.

As a Christian, if The Almighty breathed life into the clay, molded in His image, does that mean He didn't do that elsewhere, too? Hmm. Good question, and one I expect He will answer some day. At least in the meantime, I am content to feel very special. (Which, incidentally, places our species at that pinnacle, again, just as the Darwinists would have, but by a very different route).

I will forego the "crevo" arguments that have devastated other fora, and just say there are different schools of thought, but psychologically, they arrive on the same mountaintop: we are, in our own minds, the preeminent species in the universe, and will not willingly relinquish that pedestal, not without a fight. So despite fantasy, we really don't want to believe, and because of that, anyone who suggests otherwise will be met with disbelief, ridicule and loss of status, and the unfiltered anger of those 'in the know', which are the first three steps leading to the sudden and almost universal embrace of any scientific concept, usually credited to the very prestigious people who fought against it hardest, to the final denigration of the person or persons who introduced the concept, who may or may not be recognized for doing so until some decades after their death.

As a scientist, I look skeptically at the evidence and remain unconvinced--of everything I am not willing to take on faith. Yes, that even includes the improbable series of events which we call 'evolution'.

In the extraterrestrial arena, ever present is the human penchant for fraud, and all evidence must be weighed in that light, and against the possible gain to be had by those who present it. Is there an ulterior motive, will it sell books, t-shirts, get speaking fees, TV appearances, maybe even a show?  Or does the admission of events lead down a different road for the person presenting evidence? Do they do so as speculation, or are they trying to craft a following of 'believers' for fun and profit? Or are they profoundly affected by events they are sure happened and trying to alert/inform/notify others despite the derision they know they will be subjected to?

Do/did they have physical evidence? And was it confiscated and suppressed? (which takes us back to do you want to believe?)

There are things I have seen in the night sky which I cannot identify (none of which I would claim as a vehicle of extraterrestrial origin). I chalk that up to my own ignorance of flight patterns and other phenomena, but failing to have more direct and definitive evidence am not going to call the newspapers.

Yet, what is, is, if it is, that is.

But humans will not acknowledge it if it threatens their importance as a species, or even as an individual. 

That doesn't even go into the various motives governments might have for not admitting any contact, just people in general.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #397 on: September 28, 2016, 05:19:35 am »
THANKS BIG for such a wonderfully EXCELLENT analysis!

I rather agree wholesale. That's a very rare thing. LOL.

Am going to see if I can dig up some local folks who'd be interesting in a brain-storming discussion group--preferably of authentic Christians as I don't think others are equipped to deal with the whole of the realities involved.

I've thought of teaching a weekend class on it at the local college. But that would collect a rather motley crew . . . still, might be a way to connect with some good thinkers.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR KIND RESPONSE AND ANALYSIS.

May I share please it on my 'end of the sidewalk' thread on TheRightReasons.net ? Only members can see it there.

BLESSINGS,
Absolutely. Just link back to the post on forum here, too, if you would.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #398 on: September 28, 2016, 06:10:51 am »
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #399 on: September 28, 2016, 06:18:16 am »

BTW, that REALLY was one of the finest analyses I've read anywhere of those issues and factors in my 50+ years of studying the topic.


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