The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre

[Cripplecreek]

Well...yeah, Thor epitomizes masculinity and Dr. Who, not so much.

Exactly. Dr Who has always been a character that overcame physical shortfalls with intelligence. William Hartnell was an elderly man when he took on the role as the first doctor. Only Christopher Eccleston was a truly masculine actor to play the role and he played the Doctor as the traditional pacifist.

It should be noted that the Daleks call The Doctor "The Predator".

[kevindavis007]

Kill all others is an episode of Electric Dreams.

A politician casually mentions that we have to kill all "others" for our own survival and it becomes a rallying cry with a vague target to kill all others. Even asking who the "others" are is proof that you are one of the others.

That was an good episode..

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Well...yeah, Thor epitomizes masculinity and Dr. Who, not so much.

Marvel's ignorance and disconnect goes way beyond that.

Under actual Viking Law implying that another man was regi (in the original) 'unmanly' covered cowardice, effeminate behavior, cross dressing And homosexuality.

It gave the target of the accusation an airtight legal defense for killing the person who slandered him, on the spot.

[kevindavis007]

Well, the franchise he started was probably the most successful ever ... so there's that.

And I know nothing about his actions with females but we're finding out that Hollywood, including TV, was a cesspool.

I agree. He did that..


I read book by Robert Justman and Herb Solow about the behind the scenes in Star Trek..  It is very interesting. 

[Sanguine]

Marvel's ignorance and disconnect goes way beyond that.

Under actual Viking Law implying that another man was regi (in the original) 'unmanly' covered cowardice, effeminate behavior, cross dressing And homosexuality.

It gave the target of the accusation an airtight legal defense for killing the person who slandered him, on the spot.

I have to admit to gross ignorance on all thing Marvel. 

[kevindavis007]

I do.

Idiocracy.

I hope not, but I think you are right.

[kevindavis007]

It has been successful, spawning a host of spin-off story lines. I guess it depends on how you define successful, but in the media world, that just means you are the guy to beat on the bottom line. Competition is and will continue to be fierce. As for length of run, though, Dr. Who has Star Trek beat hands down.

Then SG-1 would come in second.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

I have to admit to gross ignorance on all thing Marvel.

Marvel needed to admit to gross ignorance on All things with that stunt.

THRYMSKVITHA, The Lay of Thrym

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/poe11.htm



Thor's hammer is stolen by a Giant. Loki hatches a plot to help Thor get it back.

The Giant wants Freya for his wife in exchange for the hammer.

Loki gets Thor to travel with him, in drag, as Freya the prospective bride.

At the Giant's table, Thor, in drag, eats an entire Ox, rousing suspicions.

Word games ensue.

Thor gets his hands on his hammer, and his eyes glow, blood red.

He then kills every Giant in the Hall, in part for the horrific indignity of having to go dressed as a woman.

And he wasn't a bit happier with Loki over it than he was with the Giants.

[sneakypete]

Loki gets Thor to travel with him, in drag, as Freya the prospective bride.

At the Giant's table, Thor, in drag, eats an entire Ox, rousing suspicions.

THAT's funny,I don't care who you are.

[kevindavis007]

Take a look at this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP9wkTEgORI

[Emjay]

Ursula LeGuin died today at the age of 88.  A legend in SciFi writing.

[Machiavelli]

Ursula LeGuin died today at the age of 88.  A legend in SciFi writing.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,297509.msg1583268.html#msg1583268

[Gefn]

THAT's funny,I don't care who you are.

@sneakypete
@To-Whose-Benefit?

I am not married to Loki or Thor or anyone!!!   

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@sneakypete
@To-Whose-Benefit?

I am not married to Loki or Thor or anyone!!!   

@Freya
@sneakypete
@musiclady

Nor are you really Freya.

Times in Scandinavia 1,000 years ago were tough.

People, and Gods, had 2nd jobs to make ends meet.

Freya's 2nd job was Leader of the Valkyries.

And they weren't lovely centerfold babes.

More like the Ancient Greek Harpies they hovered over the battlefield Choosing who would Die and Sending them Death, before carting them off to Valhol.

Here's my word for word translation of their names from the original Old Norse.


Hrist: To Shake: as in Shudder, Shock, an Earthquake: from Hrista: To Shake.

Mist: To Avenge: from the Slavic name Mmsti: To Avenge.

Skeggjöld: Old Beard. The Viking Bearded Ax had an extended cutting tail on it called a beard.

Skjógul: Skjóg: Forest, and Ulfr: Wolf: the Forest Wolf

Hlökk: possible variant of Hrörri: Sword

Herfiotr: Army Fetterer: Hirð: a company of men, usually military, fjoturr: to fetter

Hildi: Battle

Þruð: Might (Þor’s daughter)

Göll: Gollr, the talon or claw of a hawk.

Geirölul: Geirr: Spear, Olla: to cause, as in Valda: Authority

Randgrið: Rand: Shield, Grið: Peace, IE, peace through triumph of shields.

Raðgrið: Counsel (of) Peace IE: Accept Peace, on our terms, or else

Reginleif: Regin: Power of the Gods, Leif: Inheritence or Legacy


And for that matter, it is not Valhalla.

It is Valhol, a compound word meaning, exactly, Carrion Hall.

[sneakypete]

Ursula LeGuin died today at the age of 88.  A legend in SciFi writing.

@Emjay

Yes,she was,and a name I remember from my teens.

[sneakypete]

@To-Whose-Benefit?

Times in Scandinavia 1,000 years ago were tough.

People, and Gods, had 2nd jobs to make ends meet.

Freya's 2nd job was Leader of the Valkyries.

And they weren't lovely centerfold babes.

HEY! Stay the hell out of my dreams!

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@sneakypete
@musiclady 

Odin practiced magic (taboo for mortals) and wandered around among them in disguise, as Hagbard.

So the idea that Freya could 'shape-shift' too is wide open.

From Goddess of Love, in a bugs bunny way with her cats dragging her blessings all over the map, hooking up the wrong 2 people, to Corpse Goddess Leader of the Valkyries luring men to their death.

It's telling me our Ancestors were a lot sharper than they're given credit for.

How many men who Should have known better have got themselves killed chasing some woman who is not what she appears to be into a fight?

[Gefn]

@sneakypete
@musiclady 

Odin practiced magic (taboo for mortals) and wandered around among them in disguise, as Hagbard.

So the idea that Freya could 'shape-shift' too is wide open.

From Goddess of Love, in a bugs bunny way with her cats dragging her blessings all over the map, hooking up the wrong 2 people, to Corpse Goddess Leader of the Valkyries luring men to their death.

It's telling me our Ancestors were a lot sharper than they're given credit for.

How many men who Should have known better have got themselves killed chasing some woman who is not what she appears to be into a fight?

Freya was cool because she kicked butt and had cats. I like her. Plus she was pretty, and smart. I am happy to have her as a role model. I wish I had her courage, and could kick ass like she could.

Plus to have a carriage on cat power instead of horse power, how neat is that? The first cat woman!!!!

@To-Whose-Benefit? Meow

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@Freya

Well, there is much positive to be said for her too.

She was 100% Equal with Odin, possibly even his wife under another name. No secondary role or status for Viking women whatever the various, and sometimes conflicting, laws said.

She had her own Hall in Asgard which was equal with Odin's Valhol. It was called Sessrumnir, which means 'Many Rooms'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja

You wish you had her courage? Look deep inside. It's there.

[ABX]

Exactly. Dr Who has always been a character that overcame physical shortfalls with intelligence. William Hartnell was an elderly man when he took on the role as the first doctor. Only Christopher Eccleston was a truly masculine actor to play the role and he played the Doctor as the traditional pacifist.

It should be noted that the Daleks call The Doctor "The Predator".

Don't forget John Hurt.

[catfish1957]

I think that's why it's my favorite of the group. It's was very cagey and raw compared to the others. Not that I condone Archer's behavior, but it beats the politically correct crap some of the others got into.

ST Enterprise. is by far my favorite Sci-Fi series.  Terribly underrated.  Kirk was cheesy, Picard was a p---y.   Archer is a true example of what a Star Fleet Captain should be on this franchise.

I Netflix binge watch the whole series annually. 

[catfish1957]

The reality is this, who knows what our future will be like?


Will it be like The Expanse?
Will it be like Firefly?
Will it be like Star Trek?
Will it be like Babylon 5?
Will it be like The Orville?




Who knows..

My guess is that we will be stuck within our own solar system, so I'll vote for The Expanse.   

I'll bet we will find intelligent life somewhere else out there during the history of human kind, but the technology won't be there to reach them or communicate easily.

[Gefn]

A great poll idea

Who was your favorite doctor (who)



(Mine is Tom Baker)

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

My guess is that we will be stuck within our own solar system, so I'll vote for The Expanse.   

I'll bet we will find intelligent life somewhere else out there during the history of human kind, but the technology won't be there to reach them or communicate easily.

We may return to the moon, possibly Mars, but the way we're going, it'll be harder and harder as Slaves to Govt.

[sneakypete]

The reality is this, who knows what our future will be like?


Will it be like The Expanse?
Will it be like Firefly?
Will it be like Star Trek?
Will it be like Babylon 5?
Will it be like The Orville?

Who knows..

@kevindavis

The Shadow knows/