The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre

[ABX]

[LateForLunch]

@LateForLunch I don't think Fuller comprehended that the 'dacha' attitude, that of being an 'elite', was so desirable to some (not to mention the trillions of dollars potential to be made in all those 'carbon credits' on the exchange) that it could possibly corrupt scientists.

Fuller, like most competent scientists, likely had difficulty even envisioning scientists intentionally falsifying or skewing data to support a conclusion that was not true. After all, the goal of science--inquiry and to find the right answer, the reward is in the discovery even more than the recognition--although the latter should follow in a world where prestige and money are less the goal than furthering our knowledge of the universe.

Unfortunately, that got corrupted by a serious profit motive, as the 'prestige' of being at the forefront of even a Piltdown discovery became a cash cow to be milked through grants and speaking engagements and ultimately, power and control enough to keep milking the cow, regardless of the damage perpetrated as a result of the fraud.

Sure, there have always been a scattering of charlatans out there, and some who have been erroneous in their postulations, some fooled by knaves, and others who lacked crucial evidence which later came to light, but the object is to eliminate those errors and learn. But the unspeakable act, the sacrilege, if you will, would be to intentionally corrupt the pool of knowledge, or upon discovering an error to fail to correct it and allow it to pollute the thoughts of those who follow, effectively throwing them off the scent. It is, among scientists, the unpardonable sin.  The time is long past when those who have dumped the AGW fraud on mankind can plead error, they have doubled down too many times, insisted on 'adjusting' too many data sets, and kept their information concealed so the data cannot be reviewed and results independently verified--all red flags to the scientist--and signs something is amiss.

That is an exquisuitely well-articulated commentary and likely 100% accurate in every last detail.
Robert S. DeRopp wrote a book titled The Master Game in which he borrowed from an assortment of thinkers to assemble a comprehensive guide to mysticism and philosophy. In that book, the Science Game is the pursuit of Truth. He pointed out ( by rescripting quotes and writing from Plato to Socrates to Newton to Voltaire to Einstein) how the pure Science Game is often corrupted by the precise influiences you mention.

We live in an age where truth is not as valuable as mass marketing. If a scientist can make more money marketing lies than truth, they will effectively switch careers to providing propaganda to political entities but continue to represent themselves as being Truth seekers.
The accumulation of wealth has no relationship whatsoever to the discovery of Truth.
 IMO, every student should be required to read and do a complete report on The Master Game. It is without any question in my own mind, one of the most important books of the post-modern era.*

*Public Domain available for free as PDF through an assortment of websites.
 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

[sneakypete]

Stephen Miller @redsteeze  @Once-Ler

Trump is the alpha male in a room full of RINOS & cucks.

Trump is being bullied.

Pick one.

Why? No ono lives in a world where someone is always right or always wrong every day. Even Bubbette! Clinton has to mutter "Dayum,but ise a drunken bitch!" to herself occasionally,proving even she isn't always wrong.

Some days you eat the bear,and some days the bear eats you. That's the way life has always been,and despite the brain farts of the dedicated leftists,that is the way life will always be.

[kevindavis007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnaEUhfMUKQ

[kevindavis007]

As much as I love ST, Roddenberry really started infusing utopian socialist ideas during TNG.  I just did my best to grit my teeth and shrug it off.  Thankfully Berman gradually tapered off on this garbage, and by ST Enterprise, had pretty much dropped it all together.

The problem I had with Roddenberry his future was way too perfect.

[kevindavis007]

My wife and I just found out about it this morning, by seeing an ad for it while watching today's CBS Sunday Morning.  We realized that lately we just haven't been watching much "live" television, everything has been on DVR (where we fast-forward through the commercials) or on Hulu, Netflix, or some other streaming service.

We added it to the record list on our DVR. The first episode is available on CBS.com, now we'll just have to figure out the best way to get it from there to our television...

Well, I saw Salvation.. It was OK... It has every Cliche in the book..

[sneakypete]

My wife and I just found out about it this morning, by seeing an ad for it while watching today's CBS Sunday Morning.  We realized that lately we just haven't been watching much "live" television, everything has been on DVR (where we fast-forward through the commercials) or on Hulu, Netflix, or some other streaming service.

We added it to the record list on our DVR. The first episode is available on CBS.com, now we'll just have to figure out the best way to get it from there to our television...

@Ghost Bear

I have recorded it,but haven't watched the recording yet. Been binging on Silicone Valley,The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones.

I record stuff on my Channel Master tuner. I have a 43 dollar RCA (made in America) HD antenna and pull in 43 broadcast channels on that,plus several streaming channels. It has a 1TB internal HDD to record on,plus a place to plug in a removable HDD.

http://www.channelmaster.com/

I pull in Netscape,HBO,Direct TV,and about 3,000 other streaming channels on my ROKU 3. I also have a old Roku 2 I use out in my shop with another RCA HD antenna. Don't waste your time buying the Roku 2,though. The Roku 3 is better.

https://www.roku.com/whats-on

Tell them I sent you,and they will say "Huh?".

[kevindavis007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7IMj7WFyE

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Well, I saw Salvation.. It was OK... It has every Cliche in the book..

Yeah.  I'll probably watch it, but I don't expect a second season.

I liked the part where they asked for around 0.3% of the annual defense budget to fund the only chance at saving the world.  Putting aside the fact that they are asking for about enough to cover the waste in office supplies at the Pentagon, If they succeed, it doesn't matter how much it cost, and if they don't succeed it doesn't matter how much it cost.  I'd have thought someone might have brought this point up.

[kevindavis007]

Yeah.  I'll probably watch it, but I don't expect a second season.

I liked the part where they asked for around 0.3% of the annual defense budget to fund the only chance at saving the world.  Putting aside the fact that they are asking for about enough to cover the waste in office supplies at the Pentagon, If they succeed, it doesn't matter how much it cost, and if they don't succeed it doesn't matter how much it cost.  I'd have thought someone might have brought this point up.

My thinking was, if you have a chance to save the world, money would be no object.

[kevindavis007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19aBKC0pEA4

[kevindavis007]

Rainn Wilson as Harry Mudd:

[Sanguine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19aBKC0pEA4

That looks like it could be good.

[Cripplecreek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zz2ALmYuE0

The season 3 trailer is all from seasons 1 and 2

[kevindavis007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zz2ALmYuE0

The season 3 trailer is all from seasons 1 and 2

I think we are seeing a resurgence of SciFi.. I mean good SciFi..

[Cripplecreek]

I think we are seeing a resurgence of SciFi.. I mean good SciFi..

Oh definitely.

I just wish they had given us something new as a teaser. The statement at the beginning about bringing light to deep space was Johnathan Banks in his only appearance in the first show.

BTW, I finally watched Interstellar today and was not nearly as impressed as most seemed to be. I did however like the attitude that leaving earth was probably what we needed to do.

[kevindavis007]

Oh definitely.

I just wish they had given us something new as a teaser. The statement at the beginning about bringing light to deep space was Johnathan Banks in his only appearance in the first show.

BTW, I finally watched Interstellar today and was not nearly as impressed as most seemed to be. I did however like the attitude that leaving earth was probably what we needed to do.

I agree. They needed to do more than a teaser. My guess something wonderful is going to happen real soon ;)


I enjoyed Interstellar. I enjoyed the movie however, there was some huh moments..  That is why I loved the movie the attitude that the humans had to leave earth or humanity is dead (or at least the plan A part).


My fear it was going to be some green propaganda film. It wasn't.

[kevindavis007]

Well I saw Passengers and here is my take:


The movie was OK but here are my thoughts..


1. The science seemed sound.  I liked the ship, however I would have a crew of people to maintain the ship while the rest of the 'Passengers' sleep. Like in Pandorum.


2. The plot was kinda meh and predictable.

[Cripplecreek]

Well I saw Passengers and here is my take:


The movie was OK but here are my thoughts..


1. The science seemed sound.  I liked the ship, however I would have a crew of people to maintain the ship while the rest of the 'Passengers' sleep. Like in Pandorum.


2. The plot was kinda meh and predictable.

I thought Passengers was like a partial movie like it was rushed into production before the script was finished.

Also the ship supposedly simulated gravity with spin but the gravity could be turned on and off as if by a switch.

[kevindavis007]

I thought Passengers was like a partial movie like it was rushed into production before the script was finished.

Also the ship supposedly simulated gravity with spin but the gravity could be turned on and off as if by a switch.

I think it was. The problem was that Sony spent the money on the special effects and the actors..


That is what I was thinking if the ship is not spinning there would be no simulated gravity..

[Cripplecreek]

I think it was. The problem was that Sony spent the money on the special effects and the actors..


That is what I was thinking if the ship is not spinning there would be no simulated gravity..

The ship should have been manned by a rotating crew in the event of a meteor strike or other accident. I also had a problem with the idea that the female character would just learn to be OK with being awoken and condemned to live the rest of her life without ever seeing another character but the guy who did it.

Pandorum was a far better thought out plot which is funny because it was 2 different plots by 2 writers combined. One script was a prison ship sending prisoners to a penal colony and the other script was about settlers awakening to amnesia.

[kevindavis007]

The ship should have been manned by a rotating crew in the event of a meteor strike or other accident. I also had a problem with the idea that the female character would just learn to be OK with being awoken and condemned to live the rest of her life without ever seeing another character but the guy who did it.

I agree it should have been.. There is no guarantee that the AI would catch all of the problems.When it comes to space travel always have a Plan B.  As for what the male character did to the female character, to me that was murder and I saw there was some complaints about it and know what I agree with them.

Pandorum was a far better thought out plot which is funny because it was 2 different plots by 2 writers combined. One script was a prison ship sending prisoners to a penal colony and the other script was about settlers awakening to amnesia.

It was.. I think for an ideal interstellar travel mission, the should be like the Avalon in Passengers, and have a rotating crew like Pandorum. Also, have a backup in case to prevent the people from being awake early if the captain or whoever is in command goes bonkers.

[sneakypete]

I thought Passengers was like a partial movie like it was rushed into production before the script was finished.

Also the ship supposedly simulated gravity with spin but the gravity could be turned on and off as if by a switch.

@Cripplecreek

Wouldn't there be residual gravity from that much mass rotating? After all,in space anything already moving tends to continue to move until enough force is applied to counter the spin enough to stop it.

I am sure that inside the ship the two people moving around would at times counter the spin and slow it down,but don't have the math skills necessary to document it.

BTW,I agree on the crew. Only lunatics would send a passenger ship into space with everyone in hibernation and no humans alive to monitor everything. No,you wouldn't need  a full crew,but you would need enough awake to reboot stuff after electrical failures,as well as to repair any electrical failures.

Not to mention revive the full crew in the event of something major happening.

I did like the movie,though,and realize it was staged like this to highlight the moral challenge faced by any crewmember that was awakened early,and his or her temptation to waken others in order to not be alone.

The surprise to me is they didn't awaken several others so they would have a little community. Anybody complaining could be told the basic truth that it's better to be awakened early and have a life,than to die while asleep and never have one.

[sneakypete]

I also had a problem with the idea that the female character would just learn to be OK with being awoken and condemned to live the rest of her life without ever seeing another character but the guy who did it.

@Cripplecreek

Other than my suggestion of waking several others to form a maintenance community,what were her options other than to go back into hibernation now knowing the dangers of not having human decision makers watching over them?

The BIG surprise to me is when everyone else awoke after the ship reached it's destination,the doors to the main lobby opened to show the trees and the house,and there were no people standing there to greet them. Hard to believe those two allowed themselves to die off without having children and wakening others to take over when they got too old to serve their purpose as safety overseers.