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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #400 on: February 07, 2016, 04:41:27 am »
What a crazy week here in the Granite State.

Donald Trump attracted a huge crowd in Milford, giving his stock speech, and even laying down an F Bomb for the cheering throng. Jeb Bush walked through my office on Tuesday along with his detail, and Carly Fiorina was in my office yesterday, sounding strong and confident. I saw Chris Christie this morning here in Bedford, and I'm going to see Marco Rubio tomorrow morning, who will be at the middle school about a mile down the road.

I'll try to get a question in this time, but there's a lot of competition for the microphones.

Jealous.

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #401 on: February 07, 2016, 04:44:58 am »
just watching the debate on youtube now. I guess I'm the only one but marco needs to learn how to tie a tie. He looks like a 2nd grader with that over sized knot.

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #402 on: February 07, 2016, 04:45:19 am »
I'd marry someone that attractive myself but i don't want to work that hard.
Some can be rented by the hour at a fraction of the price.

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« Reply #403 on: February 07, 2016, 06:07:43 am »


GOFFSTOWN, N.H. — Looking to pick a fight, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie pummeled Sen. Marco Rubio over his record in Congress in Saturday’s GOP presidential debate, saying the Florida Republican’s canned speeches don’t hide how he lacks the executive experience - and political backbone - to be president.

Businessman Donald Trump, meanwhile, took aim at the audience inside the debate hall here at Saint Anselm College, saying the boos that rained down on him over his support of eminent domain came from deep-pocketed donors and special interests that want to control him, but can’t.

Mr. Christie has faded in recent polls, while Mr. Rubio has been been on the rise following his third place finish in the Iowa caucuses - putting a big bullseye on his back on the campaign trail where Mr. Rubio’s rivals have warned that he is as too inexperienced to be commander-in-chief.

In the the eighth Republican debate, Mr. Rubio said he is proud of the record he has compiled since being elected to the Senate in 2010 and in the Florida legislature before that.

“I would say if the presidency become about electing the people who have been in Congress or the Senate the longest, we should rally around [Vice President] Joe Biden,” Mr. Rubio said. “He has been around a thousands years. He has passed hundreds of bills and I don’t think anybody thinks Joe Biden should be president of the United States.”

Mr. Christie pounced, saying “Marco you shouldn’t compare yourself to Joe Biden.”

“You have not been involved in a consequential decision where you have to be held accountable,” Mr. Christie said. “You just simply haven’t.”

Mr. Rubio pushed back, highlighting how New Jersey has had nine credit downgrades on Mr. Christie’s watch, arguing “we don’t need to add to it by electing someone who has experience at running up and destroying the credit rating of his state.”

“That’s what Washington, D.C. does,” Mr. Christie responded. “The drive-by shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information and then the memorized 25-second speech that is exactly what his advisers gave him.”

The spat came toward the beginning of the two-hour showdown, where Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush joined Mr. Trump, Mr. Rubio and Mr. Christie on stage.

The debate offered the seven Republicans a major stage to deliver their closing argument to undecided voters and spell out their stances on everything from immigration to military rules of engagement and waterboarding. They also were asked to predict the winner of Sunday’s Super Bowl between the Denver Broncos and Carolina Panthers.

Mr. Trump, who is polling first, defended his support of eminent domain, saying it helps clear the way for roads, bridges and hospitals to be built, and that smart people can get “two or three times the value of their property.”

“The Keystone Pipeline without eminent domain wouldn’t go ten feet,” Mr. Trump said. “Eminent domain is a good thing.”

Mr. Bush, though, said there is a major difference between the the use of eminent domain for public and private reasons.

“What Donald Trump did was to use eminent domain to try to take the property of an elderly woman on the strip in Atlantic City,” Mr. Bush said. “That is downright wrong.”

Denying the claim, Mr. Trump said Mr. Bush “wants to be a tough guy tonight” and told him during a heated exchange to be “quiet” - eliciting boos from the audience.

“That’s all of his donor and his special interests,” Mr. Trump said of the crowd reaction, sparking more boos.

“The reason they’re not loving me is, I don’t want their money. I’m going to do the right thing for the American public. I don’t want their money. I don’t need their money,” he said.

Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina failed to meet the polling criteria set by ABC to qualify for the debate.

Mrs. Fiorina said her exclusion shows that the “game is rigged,” and bashed the Republican National Committee and ABC for leaving her out after she finished ahead of Mr. Kasich and Mr. Christie in the Iowa caucuses.

Lagging in polls, former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore also was snubbed.

Mr. Cruz, who won the Iowa caucuses, once again apologized to Mr. Carson, who has accused the Cruz campaign of hurting his chances in Iowa by spreading a false report that said he was ending his campaign.

Mr. Carson said the Cruz campaign tactics is “a very good example of certain types of Washington ethics.”

“Washington ethics. Washington ethics basically says, if it’s legal, you do what you need to do in order to win,” he said. “That’s not my ethics. My ethics is, you do what’s right.”

Mr. Cruz also said he would “absolutely” support loosening the rules of engagement for U.S. military forces, and said he supports the limited use of waterboarding. And he showed a softer side by sharing the story of how he lost a half-sister to a drug overdose after trying to pull her out of her tailspin.

“As president, I will secure the border, we will end this deluge of drugs that is flowing over our southern border and that is killing Americans across this country,” Mr. Cruz said.

Mr. Kasich cast himself as a happy warrior, and said that he supports a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

“If they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, I believe they ought to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization,” Mr. Kasich said.

“I couldn’t even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, leaving their children in the house. I mean, that is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in,” he said.

Mr. Rubio tried to distance himself from the 2013 immigration bill that he co-authored that would have provided a quick path to legalization, and a path to citizenship for most illegal immigrants.

“It is not the way we’re going to do when I’m president,” Mr. Rubio said.

“When I’m president, we are going to enforce the law first, prove to people that illegal immigration is under control,” he said. “And then we’ll see what the American people are willing to support when it comes to people that are not criminals, who have been in the this country for a long time and who otherwise would like to stay.”

Once again, Mr. Christie attacked, saying Mr. Rubio has been running away from the bill.

“The fact of the matter is, a leader must fight for what they believe in, not handicap it and say, ‘Well maybe since I can’t win this one, I’ll run,’” Mr. Christie said. “That’s not what leadership is.”

The candidates are scheduled to fan out across the state Sunday and Monday in an attempt to coax undecided voters into their corner.

The fallout from the Iowa caucuses - Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee - underscores the stakes here in New Hampshire.

Mr. Bush, Mr. Kasich and Mr. Christie are hoping to stop Mr. Rubio’s post-Iowa surge and that a strong performance here could help them consolidate the support of voters searching for an alternative to Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz, who are polling first nationally, as well as in South Carolina, which holds the first-in-the-south primary on Feb. 20.

Mr. Kasich held his 100th town hall meeting here Friday and then deployed former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for a tele-town hall call.

Mr. Bush, though, could be bettered position than Mr. Kasich and Mr. Christie to move on in the race given that he is better funded and more organized in South Carolina.

He held an event this week with his mother, former First Lady Barbara Bush, and campaigned with Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who said Mr. Bush is “toast” if he he finishes behind Mr. Rubio in Tuesday’s primary.

Mr. Bush and his allies have spent an estimated $20 million attacking Mr. Rubio over the airwaves.

The latest UMASS/7 News tracking polls shows Mr. Trump leading his closest New Hampshire rival, Mr. Rubio, by a 34 to 14 percent margin. Mr. Cruz is at 13 percent, and both Mr. Kasich and Mr. Bush are at 10 percent. They are followed by Mr. Christie, 4 percent, and both Mrs,. Fiorinda and Mr. Carson at 3 percent.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/6/sparks-fly-rubio-christie-clash-new-hampshire-deba/?page=all#pagebreak

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #404 on: February 07, 2016, 08:07:13 am »
Super Bowl Predictions: Kasich: Carolina Bush: Denver Rubio: Carolina Trump: Carolina Cruz: Carolina Carson: Either one Christie: Denver

My Super Bowl prediction: spring training in two weeks.  :tongue2:
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« Reply #405 on: February 07, 2016, 02:37:09 pm »
My Super Bowl prediction: spring training in two weeks.  :tongue2:

Houston Astros win the AL Pennant in 2016!
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #406 on: February 07, 2016, 02:43:29 pm »
The debate was a flop to my way of thinking.  Mrs. Lando and I weren't planning to watch it but we did.  I'm disappointed Fiorina couldn't muscle her way into the lineup.  Instead, the stage of men largely left the stereotypical Republican impression for any LIV who stumbled by or for the slanted pundit to pontificate over.  Perhaps that was a driver in ABC's decision.  We all know that Dr. Carson is really white, or just a token, don't we?  Yes, I am jaded - which disappoints me.

The lead moderators were abysmal.  They could hardly contain their desire to weave a false premise for their questions.  Or, at least box the candidate into a no-way-out corner with an elaborate yes/no question.  Rules of Engagement on the battlefront?  I guess it only has to do with carpet bombing and killing civilians.  The North Korea missile launch?  "You talk tough regarding the ME, would you have preemptively struck the launchpad?"  Yada, yada and yip, yip.  The arrogance of the MSM knows no bounds, it seems to me.

New Hampshire will be interesting but last night just befuddled the process.
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #407 on: February 07, 2016, 02:45:27 pm »
Houston Astros win the AL Pennant in 2016!

Thanks.  Now I don't have to suffer through the entire baseball season.

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #408 on: February 07, 2016, 02:45:47 pm »
Houston Astros win the AL Pennant in 2016!

It's time... Chicago Cubs!   :patriot:
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #409 on: February 07, 2016, 02:49:27 pm »
One more thing.  A positive.

I have always liked Mary Katherine Ham.  Last night, I became a fan.
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #410 on: February 07, 2016, 02:52:05 pm »
One more thing.  A positive.

I have always liked Mary Katherine Ham.  Last night, I became a fan.

Me too. She's a doll and asked some pretty good questions.
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #411 on: February 07, 2016, 03:00:17 pm »
One more thing.  A positive.

I have always liked Mary Katherine Ham.  Last night, I became a fan.

Ditto!!
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« Reply #412 on: February 07, 2016, 03:03:05 pm »
Thanks.  Now I don't have to suffer through the entire baseball season.

You're welcome!  Happy to be of service!   :tongue2:
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #413 on: February 07, 2016, 03:46:18 pm »
The debate was a flop to my way of thinking.  Mrs. Lando and I weren't planning to watch it but we did.  I'm disappointed Fiorina couldn't muscle her way into the lineup.  Instead, the stage of men largely left the stereotypical Republican impression for any LIV who stumbled by or for the slanted pundit to pontificate over.  Perhaps that was a driver in ABC's decision.  We all know that Dr. Carson is really white, or just a token, don't we?  Yes, I am jaded - which disappoints me.

The lead moderators were abysmal.  They could hardly contain their desire to weave a false premise for their questions.  Or, at least box the candidate into a no-way-out corner with an elaborate yes/no question.  Rules of Engagement on the battlefront?  I guess it only has to do with carpet bombing and killing civilians.  The North Korea missile launch?  "You talk tough regarding the ME, would you have preemptively struck the launchpad?"  Yada, yada and yip, yip.  The arrogance of the MSM knows no bounds, it seems to me.

New Hampshire will be interesting but last night just befuddled the process.

I wouldn't call it a flop per se, it was more entertaining than informative. It was entertaining based on the goofiness and amateurishness of the way it was moderated.

There is no question the two moderators had an agenda to pit the candidates against each other to get a brawl going. When that failed, they went into asking very slanted and opinionated questions to try to provoke a "WoW" moment out of one of the speakers.

The one moderator (blond) basically said that ISIS is undefeatable because they hide among civilians. She was basically shrugging her shoulders and saying, Oh well, there is nothing we can do. Then she would challenge the speakers to prove her opinion wrong. It was easy to tell that she was not really interested in, or able to understand their response. Because when they finished answering, she would just ask the same question again.

But honestly, I think everyone gained in that debate. The one hardest hit was Rubio.

(and, of course, Carly. it was despicable that they refused her a place. but it is ABC, so you have to expect that kind of behavior.)
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #414 on: February 07, 2016, 05:01:59 pm »
One more thing.  A positive.

I have always liked Mary Katherine Ham.  Last night, I became a fan.

Sadly, she was widowed just last September.

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>New Hampshire Republican primary debate
« Reply #415 on: February 07, 2016, 05:14:21 pm »
The debate was a flop to my way of thinking.  Mrs. Lando and I weren't planning to watch it but we did.  I'm disappointed Fiorina couldn't muscle her way into the lineup.  Instead, the stage of men largely left the stereotypical Republican impression for any LIV who stumbled by or for the slanted pundit to pontificate over.  Perhaps that was a driver in ABC's decision.  We all know that Dr. Carson is really white, or just a token, don't we?  Yes, I am jaded - which disappoints me.

The lead moderators were abysmal.  They could hardly contain their desire to weave a false premise for their questions.  Or, at least box the candidate into a no-way-out corner with an elaborate yes/no question.  Rules of Engagement on the battlefront?  I guess it only has to do with carpet bombing and killing civilians.  The North Korea missile launch?  "You talk tough regarding the ME, would you have preemptively struck the launchpad?"  Yada, yada and yip, yip.  The arrogance of the MSM knows no bounds, it seems to me.

New Hampshire will be interesting but last night just befuddled the process.

The first hour and a half or so was a waste but the rest was pretty good.

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« Reply #416 on: February 07, 2016, 05:16:05 pm »
The first hour and a half or so was a waste but the rest was pretty good.

I totally concur!
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