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The Trump fantasy explained
« on: November 25, 2015, 03:31:28 am »
http://www.playboy.com/articles/case-against-trump

THE TRUMP FANTASY: EXPLAINED

By Kevin D. Williamson

NOVEMBER 24. 2015

The following is excerpted from The Case Against Trump.

What is truly remarkable about the Donald J. Trump presidential phenomenon is the aesthetics of it, which are gay in a way that not even Trump’s own gilt-rococo/Louis XIV taste in interior decorating can quite match.

Walter Benjamin once described fascism as “the anesthetization of politics,” and the aesthetic in Trumpworld is Tom of Finland. The intersection of authoritarian politics with homoeroticism is a subject of some historical interest, from the Nazi enthusiasm for the sculptures of Josef Thorak and Arno Breker to the Italian Futurists’ ritual rejection of all things feminine.

That mostly petered out around the time Francisco Franco stopped rocking those furs in official portraiture, though it has made occasional ignominious appearances in Democratic politics, too. But the combination of homoerotic fascination and gay panic that marks the Trump movement is truly remarkable, something unseen in American politics.

It is the result of a confluence of unhappy developments. There exist a number of literatures (to use the term charitably) dedicated to servicing the grievances of socially and sexually disappointed men. The men’s rights movement, like the Trump movement, flits occasionally upon a genuine grievance (e.g., the radically unequal treatment of men and women in divorce and custody law) but is more generally oriented toward wallowing.

Its adjunct, the “game” community, provides advice to would-be pickup artists, its fundamental structure being the divide between “alpha” and “beta” males, and its goal being the development of pseudoscientific strategies for the latter to impersonate the former.

The so-called human-biodiversity community seizes upon and twists the work of scholars such as Charles Murray to develop racial theories of, well, everything; the border between the biodiversity enthusiasts and the outright racism of the white-nationalist community (the leading online journal of which has, unsurprisingly, endorsed Donald Trump for president) is porous.

The ruling common metaphors in these cracked alternate realities are the alpha-beta distinction and cuckoldry.

It is therefore not entirely surprising that among Trump’s admirers we find a substantial population of purportedly heterosexual men who praise their candidate in extravagantly gonadal terms – I will not bother to catalogue the examples of scrotal and penile celebration I have encountered in my desultory correspondence with the Trumpkins – while Trump’s critics are ritually denounced as beta males, “cucks,” or, in the popular white-nationalist phrase, “cuckservatives.”


The cuckservative appellation has its origins in anti-Semitic tropes (“neocons cucking for Israel”) though it occurs now with the most frequency and greatest ferocity in the realm of race, especially concerning anxieties about the diminution of the white majority in the United States.

The Trumpkins savor the metaphor with great homoerotic gusto, proffering pornographic details about the prospect of fellating the black “bull” planning to ravish the white maiden of Western civilization. (One is tempted to offer to take them to a production of Othello.) I will note without comment that the sentiment “Donald Trump is a perfect example of an alpha male” is to be found on the comments board at – not that there’s anything wrong with that! – BodyBuilding.com.

But one can see the fantasy appeal, especially for a socially (sexually, economically) disappointed member of the downwardly mobile classes of white men.

One has to respect Trump as a thespian: he is, after all, the Little Lord Fauntleroy of Fifth Avenue, a coddled product of the bottom end of the Ivy League, a draft dodger and a man whose idea of kinetic adventure is golf. This is, let’s not forget, a guy who plays the music from Cats at his campaign events.

But one can see the fantasy appeal, especially for a socially (sexually, economically) disappointed member of the downwardly mobile classes of white men. American men born in the 1960s, 70s or 80s hark back to an imaginary blue-collar economy in which a man could earn a secure place in society (and hence in the sexual hierarchy) through simple dedicated labor at a factory.

The workingman’s paradise of the postwar era has been romanticized to the point of fiction, but it is a powerful fiction. It is not therefore entirely surprising that Trump’s rejection of such traditional conservative projects as free trade and deregulation are among poor whites sources of popularity rather than policy apostasies that must be overcome.

The concurrent decline of marriage means that there is no real respite from the endless competition for socio-sexual status.

In what must surely be most galling for these unfortunates, the people who are making the best money and winning the highest status in the globalized economy are the ones who care the least about immigration controls, who are the least likely to have a robust white identity of any sort and who are not troubled at all by Spanish-language billboards (found in neighborhoods they seldom pass through). Somebody must be blamed: the Chinese, the Mexicans, the Jews.

Above all, the Republicans. Trump is seeking to be the Republican Party’s headliner; the Trumpkins are seeking to be its executioners. Here, the conservative movement has been its own worst enemy, ignoring critical policy concerns (immigration) and cultivating a culture of eternal outrage based on a model of politics dominated by betrayal narratives.

The left is justified in its schadenfreude as the perpetual-rage machine – created by Fox News personalities, talk radio, the less intellectually rigorous websites and journals, and the angry right-wing mobs on Twitter and Facebook – turns its attention not to Barack Obama and his epigones, but to the Republican congressional leadership he has so deftly outmaneuvered, the (largely imaginary) “donor class” that allegedly dominates Republican affairs, the Chamber of Commerce and Fox News.

The case of Megyn Kelly is particularly amusing, as the famously sexy television personality displays the unforgivable temerity to respond to Donald Trump’s lumpy version of alpha masculinity with derision. One gets the feeling that most of the Trumpkins sending enraged online missives in the direction of Kelly were typing with one hand.

The permanently outraged populist right, endlessly rehearsing the tragedy of the wicked establishment’s eternal betrayal of the holy base, is almost exclusively a creation of the entertainment wing of the conservative movement, and it is satisfyingly ironic to see Dr. Frankenstein’s monster finally turn its inchoate rage on its creator. (For here there is no Bride of Frankenstein.) Roger Ailes’s feud with Donald Trump has something of the professional-wrestling beef about it: this is his circus, and these are his monkeys.

On the policy questions, Trump has been empowered by Republicans’ failure to deal rigorously with immigration, particularly illegal immigration. But as a matter of culture, Trump is—unhappily—right where a great many conservatives are: angry, sputtering, lashing out. Trump may not last; Trumpism will.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 03:39:29 am »
The case of Megyn Kelly is particularly amusing, as the famously sexy television personality displays the unforgivable temerity to respond to Donald Trump’s lumpy version of alpha masculinity with derision. One gets the feeling that most of the Trumpkins sending enraged online missives in the direction of Kelly were typing with one hand.

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 04:15:28 am »
The case of Megyn Kelly is particularly amusing, as the famously sexy television personality displays the unforgivable temerity to respond to Donald Trump’s lumpy version of alpha masculinity with derision. One gets the feeling that most of the Trumpkins sending enraged online missives in the direction of Kelly were typing with one hand.

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The permanently outraged populist right, endlessly rehearsing the tragedy of the wicked establishment’s eternal betrayal of the holy base, is almost exclusively a creation of the entertainment wing of the conservative movement, and it is satisfyingly ironic to see Dr. Frankenstein’s monster finally turn its inchoate rage on its creator. (For here there is no Bride of Frankenstein.) Roger Ailes’s feud with Donald Trump has something of the professional-wrestling beef about it: this is his circus, and these are his monkeys.

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 01:03:05 pm »


Truly the GOPe is the "Stupid Party". They learned NOTHING from 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012. Really moronic for the GOP Leadership to go to war with its Political base.

Running a political party as if it is your own exclusive golf club is NOT how you win elections. The only reason the GOPe did anything in 20010 and 2014 was Obama is just that bad a President, and the GOPe was over run by the Tea Party movement.

And what did the GOPE do with it's victories? Promptly went to DC and gave the Donor Class everything it asked for. It purposely turned it back on every single promise it made in 2014 to it's voters.

And now, when the bill is being presented for the GOPe's corrupt incompetent defiance of its voting base, it want to publish these absurd childish diatribe and personal attacks in response.

Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Perhaps the GOPe has finally crossed that line from merely stupid to out right insane.

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 01:19:47 pm »

Truly the GOPe is the "Stupid Party". They learned NOTHING from 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012. Really moronic for the GOP Leadership to go to war with its Political base.

Running a political party as if it is your own exclusive golf club is NOT how you win elections. The only reason the GOPe did anything in 20010 and 2014 was Obama is just that bad a President, and the GOPe was over run by the Tea Party movement.

And what did the GOPE do with it's victories? Promptly went to DC and gave the Donor Class everything it asked for. It purposely turned it back on every single promise it made in 2014 to it's voters.

And now, when the bill is being presented for the GOPe's corrupt incompetent defiance of its voting base, it want to publish these absurd childish diatribe and personal attacks in response.

Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Perhaps the GOPe has finally crxossed that line from merely stupid to out right insane.

You are correct except the GOPe does not care about winning unless it is one of their owned RINOS. One is talking TRILLIONS of dollars lost if a Trump, Cruz gets in. They would prefer Hillary or some other Dem over a non GOPe. The RinoGOP, Dems, Wall Street, Big Gov't and Big Business are the party of One. Their competition is the American people whom they view as workers and peasants of the world. Here comes Trump and Cruz and they have to take both out at all cost if their One party rule is to continue. One problem it has not happened and not going to happen other than murder :patriot: :patriot:
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2015, 01:40:09 pm »
You are correct except the GOPe does not care about winning unless it is one of their owned RINOS. One is talking TRILLIONS of dollars lost if a Trump, Cruz gets in. They would prefer Hillary or some other Dem over a non GOPe. The RinoGOP, Dems, Wall Street, Big Gov't and Big Business are the party of One. Their competition is the American people whom they view as workers and peasants of the world. Here comes Trump and Cruz and they have to take both out at all cost if their One party rule is to continue. One problem it has not happened and not going to happen other than murder :patriot: :patriot:

Your last sentence gave me the chills.  Something I have thought of recently.  Trump has bodyguards.  I'm hoping that Cruz retains some soon.  Not only is he tied with Trump in Iowa, but he called out McConell and called him a liar on the Senate Floor and he's been very critical of the GOPe.  Cruz I'm sure has made some enemies and those enemies, I'm sure right now are scratching their heads wondering how he got so far ahead of Jeb and now Rubio!

Cruz writes in his book:

    “During my time in the Senate, I’ve been amazed how many senators pose one way in public—as fiscal conservatives or staunch Tea Party supporters, for example—and then in private do little or nothing to advance those principles.

    “Indeed, if transcripts of our Senate lunches were released to the public, I think many voters would be astonished.”

Cruz, who has been in the Senate since 2013, is particularly critical of the Senate’s Republican leadership in the book.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/356650-ted-cruz-reveals-voters-astonished-know-gop-senators-private/
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 03:01:05 pm »
It should surprise no one that any political analysis emanating from the pages of Playboy would be as nakedly Liberal as its models once famously were, albeit without the extensive airbrushing.

By now, conservatives are all overly familiar with the formulaic depiction of them by their political opponents as "radicals" and "crazies" and much, much worse. And such is the essential argument spread open here, tarted up in the lacy language of modern sociology, but still revealing more about either the presenter or the predilections of his audience than about the purported subject.

The author in this instance ascribes all manner of sexual dysfunctions to the supporters of Donald Trump, offering nothing more in evidence than his own, highly predictable liberal fascination with issues of race, sex and class; only through these prisms do Progressives ever see the world.

Alternatively, conservative critics of Donald Trump would do well to look beyond his superficial appeal, and also not falsely ascribe to his supporters objectionable beliefs and attitudes, especially those that represent the usual ugly accusations made by our enemies on the Left: racism, bigotry, bias, sexism, etc.   

Do we really need to go down that road?

The truth about Trump is not likely to be revealed by the sweaty and sexualized rhetoric of a failing relic of the Sexual Revolution, but rather, I would humbly suggest by reference to traditional assessments of his character, wisdom, temperament and personal judgment.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 03:15:50 pm »
Uh, the author of this article is Kevin Williamson, a conservative writer for National Review.  He admittedly hates Trump's guts and is about to release a book on Trump. 

The problem with Trump is not Trump.  It's the saps who lap up his spew.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 03:19:13 pm »
I know Sink, don't bother you with the uncomfortable facts. You have your dogma and you are clinging to it no matter how many times it fails.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 03:22:30 pm »
You are correct except the GOPe does not care about winning unless it is one of their owned RINOS. One is talking TRILLIONS of dollars lost if a Trump, Cruz gets in. They would prefer Hillary or some other Dem over a non GOPe. The RinoGOP, Dems, Wall Street, Big Gov't and Big Business are the party of One. Their competition is the American people whom they view as workers and peasants of the world. Here comes Trump and Cruz and they have to take both out at all cost if their One party rule is to continue. One problem it has not happened and not going to happen other than murder :patriot: :patriot:

I think you have very accurately laid out the sad TRUTH of the situation!

The Washington establishment will take ANYTHING, including Hillary, that would preserve the status quo over anything that would not!
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 03:24:33 pm »
I know Sink, don't bother you with the uncomfortable facts. You have your dogma and you are clinging to it no matter how many times it fails.

What facts?  You seem to want to replace a Democrat with another Democrat.  Trump just said Sunday he wants anybody on the terrorist watch list banned from buying a gun.  Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard was on the terrorist watch list for years; he may still be.  It's easy for someone to end up on that list and let's remember who our government considers threats.

Trump doesn't think about what he says which is why he says so many dumb things.  "Thousands and thousands of Muslims" were protesting in Paterson, NJ.  He saw them.  Nobody else did, but Trump says he saw them so that's good enough for his symps.

Trump is at the head of a hysterical cult, and he knows it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2015, 03:52:28 pm »
This is about as pretentious a piece of writing I have seen in politics in some time.  I did not look at the link until I had finished it, then thought "it figures."  As I was reading it I thought this must be the New Yorker.

However, Williamson does make some good points about selling the GOP on protectionism and closed borders.  Also, Trump's tastelessness.  I never understood why his buildings were so popular.  All veneer and no substance, like the man.  And yet, the public never seemed to care.

And now he is carrying that same business model to presidential politics and winning. 

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2015, 04:02:21 pm »
Uh, the author of this article is Kevin Williamson, a conservative writer for National Review.  He admittedly hates Trump's guts and is about to release a book on Trump. 

The problem with Trump is not Trump.  It's the saps who lap up his spew.

Kevin must really despise Trump if he is willing to adopt the social-sexual memes and arguments of liberals in order to trash him. Maybe that was part of the publishing deal with Playboy, I don't know.

I do agree that there are cultish aspects to at least some of The Donald's followers, but make no mistake: he, and not they are the problem; absent Jim Jones, the Kool-aid would still have been Kool-aid.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 04:12:42 pm »
Your last sentence gave me the chills.  Something I have thought of recently.  Trump has bodyguards.  I'm hoping that Cruz retains some soon.  Not only is he tied with Trump in Iowa, but he called out McConell and called him a liar on the Senate Floor and he's been very critical of the GOPe.  Cruz I'm sure has made some enemies and those enemies, I'm sure right now are scratching their heads wondering how he got so far ahead of Jeb and now Rubio!

Cruz writes in his book:

    “During my time in the Senate, I’ve been amazed how many senators pose one way in public—as fiscal conservatives or staunch Tea Party supporters, for example—and then in private do little or nothing to advance those principles.

    “Indeed, if transcripts of our Senate lunches were released to the public, I think many voters would be astonished.”

Cruz, who has been in the Senate since 2013, is particularly critical of the Senate’s Republican leadership in the book.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/356650-ted-cruz-reveals-voters-astonished-know-gop-senators-private/

Was going to say "assassination" but since addressing TRUMP and CRUZ might as well call it like it is "Murder". Do not put it by their competitors  the GOPe or DEMS. The Saudis were financing  and behind 9/11 yet BUSH made sure 28 Saudis flew out of the US the next day when the US had grounded all planes? JFK was killed by more than ONE person and yet they have their story and are sticking to it and forcing you to believe the WARREN commission report? Their are TRILLIONS of dollars at steak here for the GOPe, DEMS, Big Business, Global Financiers,  Wall Street which has become the ruling Party of ONE and what will stop that is TRUMP, CRUZ and the peasants the AMERICAN people and that cannot happen in their eyes. The best PIMP job this year was the Freedom Caucus to get Paul ( RINO) Ryan elected as Speaker, and hand picked by Boehner as his successor. They had almost all the conservatives fooled until it came time to VOTE conservative. You had 5+ Louie Gohmert who is not a member vote against the RINOGOP. :patriot: Remember you are to just pay taxes, shut the hell up and vote for whom they tell you to vote for and thank them for allowing them to run your life because they are smarter than YOU. :tongue2:
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015, 04:27:23 pm »
Kevin must really despise Trump if he is willing to adopt the social-sexual memes and arguments of liberals in order to trash him. Maybe that was part of the publishing deal with Playboy, I don't know.

I do agree that there are cultish aspects to at least some of The Donald's followers, but make no mistake: he, and not they are the problem; absent Jim Jones, the Kool-aid would still have been Kool-aid.

Oh, Williamson does despise Trump and that message will come through loud and clear when his book on Trump is released. But he also has a small level of contempt for his followers.

Like him, I just can't understand how one third of the party of rationality and cool-headedness are acting like high school girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Emotion is the lowest level of human consciousness and I really thought Republicans were above such foolishness.
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 04:31:28 pm »
Was going to say "assassination" but since addressing TRUMP and CRUZ might as well call it like it is "Murder". Do not put it by their competitors  the GOPe or DEMS. The Saudis were financing  and behind 9/11 yet BUSH made sure 28 Saudis flew out of the US the next day when the US had grounded all planes? JFK was killed by more than ONE person and yet they have their story and are sticking to it and forcing you to believe the WARREN commission report? Their are TRILLIONS of dollars at steak here for the GOPe, DEMS, Big Business, Global Financiers,  Wall Street which has become the ruling Party of ONE and what will stop that is TRUMP, CRUZ and the peasants the AMERICAN people and that cannot happen in their eyes. The best PIMP job this year was the Freedom Caucus to get Paul ( RINO) Ryan elected as Speaker, and hand picked by Boehner as his successor. They had almost all the conservatives fooled until it came time to VOTE conservative. You had 5+ Louie Gohmert who is not a member vote against the RINOGOP. :patriot: Remember you are to just pay taxes, shut the hell up and vote for whom they tell you to vote for and thank them for allowing them to run your life because they are smarter than YOU. :tongue2:

How long have you been a member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge?

And I want to know where those trillions of dollars worth of steaks are. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2015, 04:36:12 pm »
This should be in the Opinion forum.
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WOW...getting anti articles from CNN and now Playboy..lol

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 05:01:10 pm »

Like him, I just can't understand how one third of the party of rationality and cool-headedness are acting like high school girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Emotion is the lowest level of human consciousness and I really thought Republicans were above such foolishness.

You really need to properly adjust your appraisal of contemporary conservatives, downward.

One thing the contemporary conservative fails to grasp or have the ability to do is to broaden the appeal of conservative political philosophy.

IOW the diametric opposite of the Reagan era. Some of these candidates want so much to be identified as being like Reagan, but they lack the ability to broaden the appeal.

Hence Narrow, Deep, Loud, and oh so Angry. Angry is the driver.
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2015, 05:10:05 pm »
You really need to properly adjust your appraisal of contemporary conservatives, downward.

One thing the contemporary conservative fails to grasp or have the ability to do is to broaden the appeal of conservative political philosophy.

IOW the diametric opposite of the Reagan era. Some of these candidates want so much to be identified as being like Reagan, but they lack the ability to broaden the appeal.

Hence Narrow, Deep, Loud, and oh so Angry. Angry is the driver.

You bet your boots I'm angry! Damned angry in fact!  I've worked my ass off to get republicans elected for forty + years and my country has been turned into a public sewer!

Tell me why I shouldn't be angry!
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 05:18:24 pm »
You bet your boots I'm angry! Damned angry in fact!  I've worked my ass off to get republicans elected for forty + years and my country has been turned into a public sewer!

Tell me why I shouldn't be angry!

Poor decisions are made in anger.  Operating from emotion is rarely a good thing. And angry people following an angry leader are what is usually called a mob.
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 05:54:00 pm »
Hence Narrow, Deep, Loud, and oh so Angry. Angry is the driver.

Except that the anger among conservatives in our time is eminently justified.

For seven years, we have been demeaned, ridiculed, falsely accused, mocked and taunted by Obama and his lackeys in the media.

We have also been ignored, dismissed, and denigrated by the leadership of our own Republican Party, eager to cut deals with Obama and pursue agendas more intrinsically favorable to Washington's lobbyists and power brokers than to our own families and businesses. 

But political anger is fraught with peril for obvious reasons. A worthy leader will channel public anger instead toward productive action, common purpose and problem resolution. Alternatively, a self-aggrandizing politician may use it solely as a means to power. 
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2015, 03:40:02 am »
truth_seeker wrote above:
"One thing the contemporary conservative fails to grasp or have the ability to do is to broaden the appeal of conservative political philosophy..."

The reason that "conservative political philosophy" resists "broadening" (your words) is that it embodies a set of principles that are essentially narrow and rigid.

It is not intended to be "broadened". And that's what makes it a GOOD political philosophy.

Quite the contrary, conservatism (dictionary: "conserve": protect (something, especially an environmentally or culturally important place or thing) from harm or destruction) is a frame of mind that endeavours to keep things the same and unchanging.

Conservatism is not meant to be "diverse".
Never was.

In post after post after post after post in this forum over months and months, you keep pushing the idea that "conservatives" must somehow reach out to people who really have no connection to its principles -- and that by so doing, we can gain more voters.

But you cannot change what conservatism is.
Those who you would bring to our side must either accept WHAT it is and come towards it, or not.

You cannot change "our side" to win them over, because to do that will be to give up what our side IS.

It is THEY who must change to be more like us.
Not the other way around!

Sorry for the topic drift.

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Re: The Trump fantasy explained
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2015, 07:08:47 am »
Except that the anger among conservatives in our time is eminently justified

Consider, if you have not already, that a justified anger is not the same as a wise or smart action.  Payback may taste sweet, but be costly in the long run.


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Re: The Trump fantasy explained
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2015, 11:48:11 pm »
truth_seeker wrote above:
"One thing the contemporary conservative fails to grasp or have the ability to do is to broaden the appeal of conservative political philosophy..."

The reason that "conservative political philosophy" resists "broadening" (your words) is that it embodies a set of principles that are essentially narrow and rigid.

It is not intended to be "broadened". And that's what makes it a GOOD political philosophy.

Sorry for the topic drift.
Yet in what seems like angry frustrated desperation, many conservatives are settling for Trump, as the messenger for their narrow rigid principles.

And that baffles some people, along with his rude behavior.
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