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Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« on: November 24, 2015, 08:56:12 am »
A fighter jet which violated Turkish air space has been shot down close to the Syrian border after ignoring warnings, a Turkish military official has said.

The official said the nationality of the downed jet is unclear.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-11-24/turkey-jet-which-violated-turkish-air-space-shot-down/
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2015, 08:56:46 am »
Heval soro ‏@Zuttish 31m31 minutes ago

Turkey have made a big big mistake by shooting down a Russian plans say hello to ww3
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2015, 09:01:08 am »
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Developing: Russian defense ministry confirms SU-24 jet shot down in Syria http://aje.io/4fnc 
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Escalation: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Warplane Near Syrian Border
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2015, 11:11:29 am »

Escalation: Turkey Shoots Down Russian Warplane Near Syrian Border

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey shot down a Russian warplane Tuesday, claiming it had violated Turkish airspace and ignored repeated warnings. Russia denied that the plane crossed the Syrian border into Turkish skies.

"We are looking into the circumstances of the crash of the Russian jet," Russia's Defense Ministry said. "The Ministry of Defense would like to stress that the plane was over the Syrian territory throughout the flight."

Russia said the Su-24 was downed by artillery fire, but Turkey claimed that its F-16s fired on the Russian plane after it ignored several warnings. The ministry said the pilots parachuted but added that Moscow had no further contact with them.

Video footage of the incident showed a warplane on fire before crashing on a hill and two crew members apparently parachuting safely.

Turkey's private Dogan news agency said two Russian helicopters, flying low over the Turkmen Bayirbucak region, searched for the two pilots.

A Turkish military statement said the plane entered Turkish airspace over the town of Yayladagi, in Hatay province.

"On Nov. 24, 2015 at around 09.20 a.m, a plane whose nationality is not known violated the Turkish airspace despite several warnings (10 times within five minutes) in the area of Yayladagi, Hatary," the military said before the plane's nationality was confirmed.

"Two F-16 planes on aerial patrol duty in the area intervened against the plane in question in accordance with the rules of engagement at 09.24 a.m."

It said the plane was warned 10 times within the space of 5 minutes.

On Friday, Turkey's Foreign Ministry summoned the Russian ambassador demanding that Russia cease operations in Syria targeting Turkmen villages, saying the Russian actions did not "constitute a fight against terrorism" but the bombing of civilians. Ambassador Andrey Karlov was warned during the meeting that the Russian operations could lead to serious consequences, the ministry said.

Syrian troops have been on the offensive in the area that is controlled by several insurgent groups including al-Qaida's branch in Syria, the Nusra Front, and the 2nd Coastal Division that consists of local Turkmen fighters.

Rami Abdurrahman, who heads the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said the warplane crashed in the Turkmen Mountains region in the coastal province of Latakia.

The Turkomen Mountains region has been subjected to a government offensive in recent days under the cover of Russian airstrikes.

Last month, Turkish jets shot down an unidentified drone that it said had violated Turkey's airspace.

Turkey changed its rules of engagement a few years ago after Syria shot down a Turkish plane. According to the new rules, Turkey said it would consider all "elements" approaching from Syria an ennemy threat and would act accordingly.

Following earlier accusations of Russian intrusion into Turkish airspace, the U.S. European Command on Nov. 6 deployed six U.S. Air Force F-15 fighters from their base in Britain to Incirlik Air Base in Turkey to help the NATO-member country secure its skies.

The European Command said the deployment was "in response to the government of Turkey's request for support in securing the sovereignty of Turkish airspace."

In October, NATO's governing body, the North Atlantic Council, had warned Moscow it was courting "extreme danger" by sending planes into Turkish air space.

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Vasilyeva reported from Moscow. Bassem Mroue in Beirut and John-Thor Dahlburg in Brussels contributed.

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2015, 11:49:35 am »
We had to have known this was inevitable.... Now what?

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2015, 12:08:07 pm »
Take this with the usual pinch of salt please. Things are a mess right now.


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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2015, 12:46:34 pm »
We had to have known this was inevitable.... Now what?

If we are smart an apology, make damn sure we get our hands on the pilot and return him, and possible, restitution. I cannot think of a good reason for the Turks to have shot 1st. Turkey is NATO. So once again O has put the USA in a really tight spot.

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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 12:57:42 pm »
One pilot reported dead - in the hands of Syrian rebels, so no doubt they just "found" him that way. Other still missing.
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2015, 02:03:29 pm »
Finally got something semi-reliable on the helicopter.

Syria insurgents hit Russian helicopter

BEIRUT- Syrian fighters fired at a Russian helicopter forcing it to make an emergency landing in a nearby government-held area in Syria's Latakia province on Tuesday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

A Syrian insurgent group, recipient of US Tow missiles, said its fighters hit the helicopter with an anti-tank missile.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Syria-insurgents-hit-Russian-helicopter-435203
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2015, 02:28:31 pm »
Wake me up when the Russia destroys Turkey's entire air force on the ground...just as Israel did to Egypt back in 1967.   
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015, 02:44:59 pm »
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Russia said the Su-24 was downed by artillery fire, but Turkey claimed that its F-16s fired on the Russian plane.......

So aircraft we sold Turkey. I wonder how Russia may use that?

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015, 02:53:12 pm »
And then the rescue helicopter is shot down with a US Tow missile by the  "Syrian rebels" we back.

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2015, 03:57:39 pm »
Heval soro ‏@Zuttish 31m31 minutes ago

Turkey have made a big big mistake by shooting down a Russian plans say hello to ww3
#Twitterkurds  #Russianplane #Russia

Turkey is in a tough spot - don't react forcefully and expect Russian aggression to continue and escalate, react forcefully and expect Russian aggression to continue and escalate....

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2015, 04:15:04 pm »
And then the rescue helicopter is shot down with a US Tow missile by the  "Syrian rebels" we back.

THIS is the complicating factor that is going to create serious heat in short order...as this action puts Obama's fingerprints right on the incident, perhaps even on the original shoot-down (who did Turkey inform of the situation prior to pulling the trigger?)  And this morning, the French president meets with the arrogant bleep with France and Russia being very close on this conflict.  Events are spiraling and we will have to see how control is established.
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2015, 06:00:31 pm »
THIS is the complicating factor that is going to create serious heat in short order...as this action puts Obama's fingerprints right on the incident, perhaps even on the original shoot-down (who did Turkey inform of the situation prior to pulling the trigger?)  And this morning, the French president meets with the arrogant bleep with France and Russia being very close on this conflict.  Events are spiraling and we will have to see how control is established.

Shooting down a Russian fighter jet over disputed air-space is one thing.

"Executing" two parachuting, defenseless pilots who abandoned the aircraft is another.

And then shooting down a rescue helicopter searching for the pilots is another.

It's like Turkey's government has a death wish or something...
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2015, 06:41:08 pm »
Shooting down a Russian fighter jet over disputed air-space is one thing.

"Executing" two parachuting, defenseless pilots who abandoned the aircraft is another.

And then shooting down a rescue helicopter searching for the pilots is another.

It's like Turkey's government has a death wish or something...


The sad part is that Turkey is part of NATO.. Also a good question is that what will our feckless leader do?


Also this is what a weak isolationist America would look like. I thought we have learned our lesson I guess not.. I just hope WWW3 don't start soon or if it does, I hope it does not go nuclear..
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2015, 11:54:54 pm »
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 06:04:28 am »
What pissed me off was the shooting of the helpless pilots they did not need to die.

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2015, 06:32:08 am »
What is so bad is that our credibility is so bad that I'm automatically inclined to believe the Russian side.
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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 06:40:09 am »
The relationship between Russsia and Turkey has deep historical roots, much of it decidedly unpleasant.

"The Russo-Turkish wars were a series of wars fought between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 20th centuries. It was one of the longest series of conflicts in European history."



            Name                                 Result
1 Russo-Turkish War (1568–70) Russian military victory[1]
 Ottoman commercial victory[2]
2 Russo-Turkish War (1676–81) Treaty of Bakhchisarai[3]
3 Russo-Turkish War (1686–1700) Russia gains possession of Azov
 fortress of Taganrog
Pavlovsk and Mius[4]
4 Russo-Turkish War (1710–11) Ottoman victory[5]
5 Austro-Russian–Turkish War (1735–39) Treaty of Niš (1739)[6]
6 Russo-Turkish War (1768–74) Russian victory
7 Russo-Turkish War (1787–92) Russian victory
8 Russo-Turkish War (1806–12) Russian victory
9 Russo-Turkish War (1828–29) Russian victory
10 Crimean War (1853–56) Ottoman, British, French and Italian victory
11 Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) Russian victory[7]
12 World War I: Caucasus Campaign (1914–18) Armistice of Erzincan

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Re: Fighter jet shot down after 'violating Turkish air space'
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 11:20:26 am »
What pissed me off was the shooting of the helpless pilots they did not need to die.

Sorta agree but keep in mind who those pilots were bombing.....