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Exclusive — Donald Trump Declares War On Obamatrade
« on: October 05, 2015, 10:30:20 pm »
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/05/exclusive-donald-trump-declares-war-on-obamatrade-time-to-send-a-real-businessman-to-white-house-to-end-this/

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by Matthew Boyle  5 Oct 2015

GOP frontrunner Donald Trump is hammering President Barack Obama, his administration and Congress for completely failing the American worker when it comes to trade policy—whacking the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade pact with 12 Pacific Rim nations that the Obama just finalized in Atlanta as a deal that jeopardizes U.S. jobs.

“The incompetence and dishonesty of the President, his administration and—perhaps most disturbing—the Congress of the United States are about to place American jobs and the very livelihoods of Americans at risk,” Trump tells Breitbart News in an exclusive statement reacting to the news that the president and his negotiators have wrapped the highly secretive they have been negotiating for the past several years on Monday morning.

“The only entities to benefit from this trade deal will be other countries, particularly China and Japan, and big corporations in America,” Trump tells Breitbart News.

    The small business operators, farmers, manufacturers and others will again be burdened with unfair trade practices, currency manipulation, exploitation of cheap labor, an onerous tax code and no help coming from the very people charged with putting America first. If crony capitalism were not bad enough, then sticking it to unions, small businesses and everyday Americans seems to be the new blood sport inside the DC Beltway.

Trump said that the lack of transparency throughout the secret negotiations should prove that the deal is horrendous.

“If this was such a good deal, why was there not more transparency?” Trump said.

    Why are we striking trade agreements with countries we already have agreements with? Why is there no effort to make sure we have fair trade instead of ‘free’ trade that isn’t free to Americans? Why do we not have accompanying legislation that will punish countries that manipulate their currencies to seek unfair advantage in trade arrangements? Why has the Congress not addressed prohibitive corporate tax rates and trade agreements that continue to drain dollars and jobs from America’s shores?

Trump concluded by saying now is the time for real leaders like him to stand up for Americans in Washington against these special interests.

“It’s time for leadership in Washington,” Trump said. “It’s time to elect a President who will represent the only special interest not getting any attention—The American People. It’s time to send a real businessman to the White House. It’s time to Make America Great Again.”

The TPP trade deal negotiations—after nearly six years of secretive talks—were finalized this weekend in Atlanta, and the announcement of the deal came in on Monday morning. TPP is a massive deal encompassing 12 nations: the United States—Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam—and has come under serious fire from both populist and conservative Republicans and from most Democrats due to fear it will cost U.S. jobs.

Now that the deal has been cut with the foreign nations, Congress must approve it before it would take effect—something that is almost certainly going to be a bruising battle for proponents of the package. Nonetheless, Congress did—after a similarly bloody fight earlier this year—hand Obama Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), which helps with regard to fast-tracking this deal and at least two others still in negotiations through to approval. Congress cannot amend the deal under fast-track authority, and the Senate cannot filibuster as TPA lowered the vote thresholds down to a bare majority of 51 votes.

TPA, when it passed the House and Senate earlier this year, barely squeaked through with just 218 votes for it  to 210 votes against in the House and the bare minimum 60 votes for it in the Senate to 37 votes against. House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
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—who has been one of the donor class’ chief advocates ever since he, alongside Mitt Romney, lost the 2012 presidential election to Obama—helped champion the TPA portion of Obamatrade through the House earlier this year by consistently and repeatedly fighting for it.

Ryan’s counterpart in the Senate, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
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, pushed the deal as hard as he could as well—and eventually became the critical 60th vote that secured final passage of TPA. While Rubio claims he read the text of TPP—which was being kept in a classified reading room in the basement of the U.S. Capitol building—before voting to fast-track it, he continually refuses to prove he did so. Since the text was 800-plus pages long according to Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
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, Rubio would have had to spend at least two calendar days inside the room reading it before he would know what he is voting for—and his staff won’t answer when asked what days he spent in the room. After getting National Review to print a story claiming—without any evidence whatsoever—that Rubio did read TPP before voting for fast-track, Rubio’s campaign hired the National Review writer who wrote the story to work for the Floridian’s presidential effort.

Since TPP was announced on Monday morning, at least one of TPA’s supporters Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) came out guns-a-blazing against the deal.

“Breaking the long-standing tradition of not picking winners and losers in trade agreements, the Obama Administration has decided to use the TPP as a laboratory for partisan politics by discriminating against specific agricultural commodities,” Tillis said. “This sets a dangerous precedent for future trade agreements, and I will not only vote against the TPP, but actively work to help defeat its ratification in the Senate.”

If nine more TPA supporters join Tillis, the deal wouldn’t pass the Senate. Similarly, with more pressure expected to build in the House—especially with Trump and other presidential candidates on the GOP side including Dr. Ben Carson, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)
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, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and more opposed to the deal—the president can’t afford to lose many TPA supporters when TPP comes up for a vote in that body eventually. The Democratic presidential primary, with Obamatrade opponent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
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surging against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, threatens similarly to derail already scarce Democratic support for Obama’s trade agenda.

This issue coming up now—and with the timing of votes in Congress on it at least 60 days, but perhaps as many four months, away under the terms of TPA—could decide the presidency itself. Congressional voting on Obamatrade will be happening at a critical time on the campaign trail, sometime in December or January most likely, meaning that votes on this deal will likely coincide with the critical final weeks before the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries.

Trump is a master at messaging on trade, and has used the issue—and his expertise as a business deal negotiator which he highlights frequently by citing his book “The Art Of The Deal”—alongside immigration to shoot up in the GOP primary polls. His position aligns with most of the Republican voting base, despite the fact that many in the donor class and establishment side of the GOP don’t support tough negotiations when it comes to trade policy. A recent Pew Research Center poll shows that the majority of GOP voters—51 percent—believe that trade agreements are going to lead to U.S. job losses. A whopping 50 percent of GOP voters also believe that trade agreements like this one will lead to depression of American workers’ wages.

Trump’s decision—a natural one for him, as a highly successful businessmen—to zone in on concerns about these deals could help him enormously in the final stages of the GOP primary before voting. The next GOP debate, in Boulder, Colorado, will be hosted by CNBC—and will focus on fiscal policy like trade deals. And while Trump has learned to use the issue of immigration to his advantage substantially—something he’s done from his announcement of his presidential campaign all the way until now, and continues to do with his immigration reform plan that would deport all the illegal aliens in America, build a Mexican-funded wall on the U.S. border with Mexico and institute controls on immigration levels designed to get Americans back to work instead of bringing in more cheap foreign labor—trade is even more in his wheelhouse.

He’s comfortable talking about trade day in and day out, even more so than immigration, and as this issue becomes the centerpiece focal point of the election, he’ll be able to effectively dismantle GOP establishment attacks on him regarding his alleged lack of substance as beltway pundits and some of his opponents like to say. Most importantly for Trump, though, talking about an issue with which he’s very comfortable is going to help him stay on message and on offense between now and February–when the polls open in early states.

With Rubio’s involvement in pushing and support of Obamatrade key to its success to this point a major focus of the issue, as well, Trump’s bitter feud with the junior senator from Florida will likely turn even uglier—especially as Rubio continues to refuse to answer which days he spent in the room reading the TPP deal text as he claims he did.

“No I don’t really believe him,” Trump told Breitbart News in a recent interview when asked if he believes Rubio read the TPP text, as he claims he did, before voting for fast-track.

“I think he’s a man who doesn’t show up to Congress to vote, to the Senate to vote,” Trump added of Rubio in that Breitbart News exclusive interview backstage at the Family Research Council hosted Values Voter Summit.

    When you’re a member of the Senate, when you’re elected to the Senate, you’re supposed to show up to vote. He’s got the worst voting record in all of the Senate by far. That means he’s either a not hard worker or he’s maybe even something worse than that. But what you’re supposed to do if you’re elected, you’re supposed to be voting. There’s no excuses for that.

Meanwhile, on the Democratic primary side, this deal could cause serious problems for Clinton as Sanders keeps surging—and it could also hurt Vice President Joe Biden, who’s expected to make a decision imminently about getting into the race. Biden, who’s Obama’s number two official, could be saddled with defending the administration’s massively unpopular deal—something that could keep him from, as many have expected should he run, crushing Clinton once and for all.

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 10:40:22 pm »
Trump and Sanders are on the same page economically now they are pulling one from the left and one from the right  and neither one really knows much about it probably.

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 10:59:34 pm »
Neither one knows about what?  Economics?  Capitalism?
Or do you just want to stir up something that's not in the post?

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 11:07:35 pm »
Neither one knows about what?  Economics?  Capitalism?
Or do you just want to stir up something that's not in the post?

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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 11:15:36 pm »
Neither one knows about what?  Economics?  Capitalism?
Or do you just want to stir up something that's not in the post?

About the trade agreement.  Sorry, I thought it was obvious.  Both are demagogues knowing how to stir up the base bur I doubt either has studied the TPP at all if it is actually available finally.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 12:02:12 am »
What I don't like is TPA, which for some reason changes the way Congress normally votes on trade deals. Combine that with the lack of openness, and it looks like both Obama and Congress are trying to ram TPP through.

Something stinks here. If the deal is so good why is the public being kept out of it? And why are both conservative republicans and democrats against this?

Remember NAFTA was promoted as a good deal for Americans? Yet, 20 years later it failed to live up to promises. We have a $181 billion trade deficit with Mexico and Canada, 1 million net U.S. jobs lost, and larger agricultural trade deficits with Mexico and Canada.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 12:08:57 am »
What I don't like is TPA, which for some reason changes the way Congress normally votes on trade deals. Combine that with the lack of openness, and it looks like both Obama and Congress are trying to ram TPP through.

Something stinks here. If the deal is so good why is the public being kept out of it? And why are both conservative republicans and democrats against this?

Remember NAFTA was promoted as a good deal for Americans? Yet, 20 years later it failed to live up to promises. We have a $181 billion trade deficit with Mexico and Canada, 1 million net U.S. jobs lost, and larger agricultural trade deficits with Mexico and Canada.

One bright light:  One Senator from NC appears to be building a coalition to stop it in the senate.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 12:18:37 am »
About the trade agreement.  Sorry, I thought it was obvious.  Both are demagogues knowing how to stir up the base bur I doubt either has studied the TPP at all if it is actually available finally.

Wait - you're accusing them of not knowing what they are talking about when you don't even know if they know what they're talking about?

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 12:25:23 am »

Hating Trump is considered a contact sport around here.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 12:46:42 am »
Wait - you're accusing them of not knowing what they are talking about when you don't even know if they know what they're talking about?

Of course...I'm skeptical and you should be too in my opinion particularly of populist types who pop up out of nowhere playing to the crowds.  I suspect neither of them know much except what to say to stir up the masses.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 12:50:18 am »
Of course...I'm skeptical and you should be too in my opinion particularly of populist types who pop up out of nowhere playing to the crowds.  I suspect neither of them know much except what to say to stir up the masses.

I am very skeptical of Trump.  However, that was not what you said that I was responding to.

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 01:09:43 am »
The best thing about the TPP is that it creates a framework involving so much of the world economy... that should it pass, China will have no real choice but to join as well.

Which means we'll have bound China to follow our rules and not theirs.

And there is a very real possibility that with China's new AIIB, we might soon have to follow their rules should this fail.

Think about that.

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2015, 01:18:04 am »
Of course...I'm skeptical and you should be too in my opinion particularly of populist types who pop up out of nowhere playing to the crowds.  I suspect neither of them know much except what to say to stir up the masses.

Gah.  That's so familiar.  Some one pops up out of nowhere.  Stirs up sh*t.  Doesn't really know much except what to say to get that sh*t going.
Trying to remember who that might be. . .  Help, anybody?

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2015, 03:03:53 am »
Trump and Sanders are on the same page economically now they are pulling one from the left and one from the right  and neither one really knows much about it probably.

Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist.  Trump is a capitalist.  Huge difference.  So, I'm not quite following you when you say they are on the same page economically.  You go on to say that neither one really knows much about it ... "probably"  is nothing more than your assumption.  So I will make an assumption as well based on Trump's business experience and expertise.  I would bet that Trump is more knowledgeable about trade negotiations than the average Joe; and I would further bet that he has a handle on TPP.  I by no means proclaim myself to be an economic guru and I admit I have very little knowledge of TPP.  Trump has been around the block a few times and I trust him more than the "insiders" on this issue. This afternoon I very briefly listened to Josh Earnest on TPP - when he stated that it would benefit America and save American jobs I knew we were in deep trouble.  Obama has lied numerous times to the American people.  Nothing he or his liberal cronies have done has benefited the American people.  This will be no different.  Obviously Trump doesn't feel this trade agreement will be in our best interest either.
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2015, 04:52:05 am »
The best thing about the TPP is that it creates a framework involving so much of the world economy... that should it pass, China will have no real choice but to join as well.

Which means we'll have bound China to follow our rules and not theirs.

And there is a very real possibility that with China's new AIIB, we might soon have to follow their rules should this fail.

Think about that.

Thanx Godzilla.  You are the wisest radioactive dinosaur I've ever known.

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2015, 10:35:16 am »
Gah.  That's so familiar.  Some one pops up out of nowhere.  Stirs up sh*t.  Doesn't really know much except what to say to get that sh*t going.
Trying to remember who that might be. . .  Help, anybody?

Would that person's name begin with b, by any chance? Just trying to narrow it down here.

About the trade agreement.  Sorry, I thought it was obvious.  Both are demagogues knowing how to stir up the base bur I doubt either has studied the TPP at all if it is actually available finally.

I'm trying to understand this post. A demagogue is an agitating person. It's also a word used by opponents to attack a candidate's intentions. The same applies to "stir up the base."  If you don't like what someone says, say they're stirring up the base. But it also means: address voter concerns.

So, the ruling class is allowed to do whatever they want - "...but we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what's in it....;" even our representatives weren't given adequate time to study the deal, leaving us little people without representation in what might happen to us afterwards.

"Just give us your vote and shut up." That's what it feels like to me, and that is not open government.

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2015, 11:09:59 am »
Thanx Godzilla.  You are the wisest radioactive dinosaur I've ever known.

No problem.  I wrote a short paper on China's Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).  Most of the world has already signed on-board with it, to include much of the NATO countries.  If the TPP fails, then we'll most likely end up signing onto it as well.  And then China will have the leverage to stop anyone from trying to stop them from stealing our intellectual property (among other things).

But knowing our 'true conservatives', they will probably work feverishly to stop it, partnering with the Democrats so that we can become China's vassal, beholden to their interests... not just in name, but also in fact. 

(And I'll bet that someone will post 'We already are their slaves!!!1!!11 Hurr, durr.  America's doomed!!! Burn, baby, burn!')

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2015, 11:19:31 am »
Would that person's name begin with b, by any chance? Just trying to narrow it down here.

I'm trying to understand this post. A demagogue is an agitating person. It's also a word used by opponents to attack a candidate's intentions. The same applies to "stir up the base."  If you don't like what someone says, say they're stirring up the base. But it also means: address voter concerns.

So, the ruling class is allowed to do whatever they want - "...but we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what's in it....;" even our representatives weren't given adequate time to study the deal, leaving us little people without representation in what might happen to us afterwards.

"Just give us your vote and shut up." That's what it feels like to me, and that is not open government.

So, the ruling class is allowed to do whatever they want - "...but we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what's in it....;" even our representatives weren't given adequate time to study the deal, leaving us little people without representation in what might happen to us afterwards.

"Just give us your vote and shut up." That's what it feels like to me, and that is not open government.


This doesn't make sense to me.

I agree that legislation needs to be read by the Congressmen and women who vote to pass it or not.  And that didn't happen with Obamacare. 

However, when did it suddenly become necessary for the legislation to be available for you or I to read?  It'd be nice, but did anyone oppose the regulation of the cell-phone spectrum because the average Joe didn't have a copy of the legislation to read beforehand?

It sounds like this is a selective argument, used against legislation that others have an interest in stopping... to stir up 'the base'.

For this sounds very much like an argument against the style of government known as the republic, where our elected representatives run the government on our behalf... and is a call for a direct democracy.  For a republic is the model of government our founding fathers built when drafting the Constitution.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2015, 11:44:26 am »
So, the ruling class is allowed to do whatever they want - "...but we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what's in it....;" even our representatives weren't given adequate time to study the deal, leaving us little people without representation in what might happen to us afterwards.

"Just give us your vote and shut up." That's what it feels like to me, and that is not open government.


This doesn't make sense to me.

I agree that legislation needs to be read by the Congressmen and women who vote to pass it or not.  And that didn't happen with Obamacare. 

However, when did it suddenly become necessary for the legislation to be available for you or I to read?  It'd be nice, but did anyone oppose the regulation of the cell-phone spectrum because the average Joe didn't have a copy of the legislation to read beforehand?

It sounds like this is a selective argument, used against legislation that others have an interest in stopping... to stir up 'the base'.

For this sounds very much like an argument against the style of government known as the republic, where our elected representatives run the government on our behalf... and is a call for a direct democracy.  For a republic is the model of government our founding fathers built when drafting the Constitution.


I wasn't calling for a direct vote on legislation - that would be silly.

I was asking to know what our legislators know (or don't know) about pending legislation. I was asking to be kept in the loop. I'm asking for opening government. I thought my post was pretty clear on that point.

You see I get pretty edgy when I don't have the information necessary to have confidence my legislator is working in my best interest - as I am responsible with my vote for putting him in that position of representing me – and not, instead, working for someone else's special interest.

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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2015, 02:18:01 pm »
I am also extremely skeptical of Trump and still not able to understand the support he is receiving in conservative circles.

As long as you accept that Trump is getting kudos and support from conservatives, and don't start losing your mind over it, that's half the battle. It's when they start calling Trump supporters idiots, morons and liberals, that the detractors lose all sense of proportionality.

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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2015, 02:20:48 pm »
Trump and Sanders are on the same page economically now they are pulling one from the left and one from the right  and neither one really knows much about it probably.

It's interesting that you find it necessary to throw in baseless conjecture in a pathetic effort to make some kind of point.

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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2015, 02:24:38 pm »
It's interesting that you find it necessary to throw in baseless conjecture in a pathetic effort to make some kind of point.

Yeah you're right...Sanders probably has actually studied the actual TPP a little before shooting off his mouth.

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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2015, 02:27:41 pm »
As long as you accept that Trump is getting kudos and support from conservatives, and don't start losing your mind over it, that's half the battle. It's when they start calling Trump supporters idiots, morons and liberals, that the detractors lose all sense of proportionality.

Bingo. I am very skeptical of Trump, but I don't deny that he brings a lot of good things to this campaign.

Those who throw the constant insults make me want to break the rules of this forum. I don't, I leave it alone. Whatever is going to happen, will happen no matter what I post here, or what some insipid, brainless toad posts.

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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2015, 02:30:33 pm »
Yeah you're right...Sanders probably has actually studied the actual TPP a little before shooting off his mouth.

You're a gift. You establish that you have no credibility and an agenda without provocation. The ease with which you discard any sense of objectivity indicates your lack of depth in your thought process.

Carry on.

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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2015, 02:56:15 pm »
Well put, Relic. Insults have never furthered any discussion and tend to drive away input that would only help to shed insight to thinking of supporters, detractors or those on the fence.

Relic always demonstrates a steady hand. That's why I tend to look for his posts.