Author Topic: Conservative Purists Could Cost the GOP the White House in 2016.... By Bernard Goldberg  (Read 2545 times)

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Offline aligncare

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I was asking for a source, not your opinions and beliefs because I have not read anything at all about him.  All I know is what I see of him which is all negative. You seem to know a lot about him.  Surely you weren't just born with that knowledge?

Not playing that game with you. Do you own research. Of course, you won't.

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Not playing that game with you. Do you own research. Of course, you won't.

I'm not playing games either.  You seem to know a lot about him.  I thought you might have a source.

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What makes Trump supporters believe he will do the things he says he'll do? What if he's lying? What if he really is a mole sent to disrupt and divide?

Dex, I have to go back and review what I know for a fact to help eliminate alternatives to solutions to make some of these more complicated decisions and the biggest fact is bush and the rest will not only NOT do what they say, they will do nothing at all.

So I am willing to take a chance that Trump/Cruz/Perry will do what they say, and if not, then I am no worse off than had I pushed the others.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2015, 09:15:13 pm by EdinVA »

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What do Trump supporters think of Trump's chances against Hillary? Many leftists are crossing their fingers hoping Republicans are (as they see it) foolish enough to nominate Trump. They believe that would guarantee a win for them.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2015, 07:55:05 pm by Dexter »
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What do Trump supporters think of Trump's chances against Hillary? Many leftists are crossing their fingers hoping Republicans are (as they see it) foolish enough to nominate Trump. They believe that would guarantee a win for them.

Trump can beat a very wounded Hillary but otherwise would have no chance.  My opinion.

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What do Trump supporters think of Trump's chances against Hillary? Many leftists are crossing their fingers hoping Republicans are (as they see it) foolish enough to nominate Trump. They believe that would guarantee a win for them.

I never listen to fortune tellers, especially socialist ones.. :)

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I never listen to fortune tellers, especially socialist ones.. :)

It's no secret that you have to appeal to a significant number of moderates and independents if you're going to win a presidential election. Do you think Trump can do that?
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It's no secret that you have to appeal to a significant number of moderates and independents if you're going to win a presidential election. Do you think Trump can do that?

I don't wrap myself around the axle trying to predict what other people will do or believe, I simply don't have the bandwidth to run everyone else life, I have my hands full running mine.
All I can do is hope they put country first and vote accordingly.

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I don't wrap myself around the axle trying to predict what other people will do or believe, I simply don't have the bandwidth to run everyone else life, I have my hands full running mine.
All I can do is hope they put country first and vote accordingly.

Sticking to your convictions is admirable, but sometimes it ends with your side going down in flames. I believe it to be a matter of fact that other candidates would stand a much better chance of winning.
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Sticking to your convictions is admirable, but sometimes it ends with your side going down in flames. I believe it to be a matter of fact that other candidates would stand a much better chance of winning.

You may be right, but what will I have won?  Bragging rights?
This will likely be my last shot at making sure my grand kids have at least a reasonable chance at a normal country and I am not going to place that bet on bush, et al.

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You may be right, but what will I have won?  Bragging rights?
This will likely be my last shot at making sure my grand kids have at least a reasonable chance at a normal country and I am not going to place that bet on bush, et al.

I wish more Republicans liked Rand Paul. I believe he would crush Hillary and go on to be one of the best presidents this country has seen in a long time.
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I wish more Republicans liked Rand Paul. I believe he would crush Hillary and go on to be one of the best presidents this country has seen in a long time.

You're a liberal "Republican". While it's your opinion, most of us find Rand Paul to be lacking.

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I wish more Republicans liked Rand Paul. I believe he would crush Hillary and go on to be one of the best presidents this country has seen in a long time.

I was interested in Rand Paul at one time but he doesn't seem very interested in being president and I'm not sure he has the personality for the job. 

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I wish more Republicans liked Rand Paul. I believe he would crush Hillary and go on to be one of the best presidents this country has seen in a long time.

The only problem I have with both Pauls is they are isolationists and I think that is exactly what we don't need.
I do like most of his domestic positions.

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What do Trump supporters think of Trump's chances against Hillary? Many leftists are crossing their fingers hoping Republicans are (as they see it) foolish enough to nominate Trump. They believe that would guarantee a win for them.
If the election was tomorrow, Trump would win hands down. yet it is not and way to much time and things will change by then. I like Trump, just don't know if I would vote for him at this time in the game.


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It's no secret that you have to appeal to a significant number of moderates and independents if you're going to win a presidential election. Do you think Trump can do that?

If I may interject, heck yeah. Trump draws from Republicans, both conservative and moderate; Democrats, mostly moderates; and independents of every stripe.

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If the election was tomorrow, Trump would win hands down. yet it is not and way to much time and things will change by then. I like Trump, just don't know if I would vote for him at this time in the game.
I have serious doubts about Trump, but I can say without reservation that I will vote for him if he is the nominee.

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I have serious doubts about Trump, but I can say without reservation that I will vote for him if he is the nominee.

I have no doubts he would do a good job as president.

But, I would like to see Fiorina or Cruz or Carson on the ticket though.

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I have serious doubts about Trump, but I can say without reservation that I will vote for him if he is the nominee.

To be very honest TS... I have serious doubts about all of them... and this probably is the most critical election we have had in my lifetime.
The other piece to the puzzle is what will happen to congress.  If we cannot retain a GOP congress, then it may not matter who is in the whitehouse.
To screw things up even more, what happens if Trump wins and the gop retains the house and senate?  are they going to support him or carry a grudge?
If you work all the angles it gets really messy.

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Electoral math is a (bleep), ain't it?

Why do you think I think a Rubio/Kasich (or vice-versa) ticket is the best chance we have for victory?

It gives us Florida and Ohio from the get-go.  Making it much easier for us to get to the White House.
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I disagree. You're dead wrong about any of them losing to "a typical dem."

The Democratic Party is reeling after seven years of Barack "the human wrecking ball" Obama and they are about to lose their front runner to a criminal indictment.

So who's next in line? Bernie "Das Capital" Sanders? Joe "dumbest VP ever" Biden? Martin "empty suit" O'Malley? Elizabeth "Pocahontis" Warren?

Do yourself a favor, bkepley, don't lose any sleep.

You do realize that no criminal investigation has been launched into Clinton's actions?

One can hope, but I'm not going to bet on hope.  We've had 'hope' for the last eight years.  And it got us change, all right.

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Scott wrote above:
[[ Republicans are up against it everywhere you turn in a national election.  The left's built in social and demographic advantages in a national election are immense.  If you put Republicans up with the personality and fervor of a Bush, McConnell, Kasich or Romney...if you put up an insider, someone in the Washington game...you will get beaten every single time.  There is no reason whatsoever for masses of voters to get energized to take out the Washington establishment by one of its own, the same old same old. ]]

An important line from the original article above:
"Finally, consider this: In the last six presidential elections, 18 states have voted for the Democratic candidate every time, totaling 242 electoral votes — just 28 short of victory. That means Democrats are about 90 percent of the way to winning the White House even before the actual voting begins."

Leonard Cohen:
Things are going to slide,
Slide in all directions
Won't be nothing,
Nothing you can measure any more...
...I've seen the future, baby, it is murder.


Trump or no, I sense that time is slowly runnin' out for Republicans in general, but even moreso for folks who consider themselves "traditional Americans" and who steadfastly embrace "the old ways".

We are becoming outnumbered, literally, by others who are "not like us" and (because of racial/ethnic demographics) who are NEVER going to become like us or embrace the values and principles that kept this country going for two-and-a-quarter centuries.

There's just too much water over that dam now.
There are too many "aliens" who've breached the gates.

It would be easy if we could point fingers and place the blame. You're probably thinking "it's the left that did this to us!".

Nope. We did it to ourselves.
By -tolerating- the left for too long, by permitting them to become too powerful.
By standing by while our own government turned against us.
By permitting the robed members of the courts to elevate themselves to become rulers, when in truth their role is to issue "opinions", and not "laws".
And... by tolerating the malfeasance of our own elected representatives (of our own party) who despite their positions of power will do nothing to halt the collapse.

I wish I had more to write about whether Trump is going to "make the difference" or not, but...
I've seen the future, and it's murder.


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It's kind of funny that Goldberg calls Trump supporters Conservative Purists when Trump is a liberal on issues of spending, taxes, regulation, and freedom.

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You do realize that no criminal investigation has been launched into Clinton's actions?

One can hope, but I'm not going to bet on hope.  We've had 'hope' for the last eight years.  And it got us change, all right.

The FBI doesn't pay social calls. Hillary Clinton has been under criminal probe since early August. They took possession of her server because she's under investigation for possible top secret security leaks and most likely obstruction of justice. And before this is over, there may also be charges related to quid pro quo criminality as Secretary of State and possible tax code violations.

After months of resisting a subpoena she scrubbed the server clean before turning it over to the FBI. That sounds like a criminal probe is under way to me and even to Hillary herself by her actions, and to several other sources as reported in the papers, including the New York Post and New York Times.
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Just wanted to bump this to see if anyone still believes that Hillary is not under criminal investigation?