No Congressional GOP Leaders Will Support Reducing Immigration

[Bigun]

I want a president who is a man of principle and who loves this country and it's Constitution! Not some guy who plays well with others in order to make things happen just to make them happen!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
 

[alicewonders]

I have two different Presidents in mind.

Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama.

One reached across the aisle to work with the opposition and one completely ignored and demonized the opposition.

One unified the nation and led to great prosperity and one divided the nation and brought it to the brink of civil war.

One led and one ruled.

Which of those two styles of leadership led to greater results and benefits for the people of the nation?

Which is it that we need right now?

One that will promote unity or one that will further seek to divide us?

Sorry Luis, you cannot have unity with today's Democrats and Obama is a perfect illustration of why.  There is NO compromising with them!  Today's Democrats cannot be compared in any way, shape or form with yesterday's party.  The Bush family is stuck in the past - sure, they have class and they want both sides to work together - but we are dealing with a thuggish totalitarian Democrat party now that will stop at nothing to implement their agenda. 

We need a fighter that is not afraid to get down and dirty and throw their tactics right back into their face.  You will probably say that we have no choice, and that we have to work with them to get anything done.  I say when you work with the Devil you will get used and then thrown away. 

Dire times call for different strategies than what has worked in the past.  I do believe that if somehow Bush becomes our nominee, he will go down as another Romney - a classy guy that will be mowed down by the opposition.  There are a lot of people that feel the way I do, I do not believe he can win.  What he has done for Florida has taken place in a microcosm and I don't think he translates well for the rest of the country. 

And a big chunk of that is due to his name - sorry to say - but that is the reality of it.  God bless you for your efforts, but I don't think enough people are going to be convinced.  We are that sick of Bush and Clinton dynasties. 

And I still don't think Hillary can win for that reason and because she is the most unlikable human being one can imagine.  She will step down for health and family reasons, I'm sure of it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Sorry Luis, you cannot have unity with today's Democrats and Obama is a perfect illustration of why.  There is NO compromising with them!  Today's Democrats cannot be compared in any way, shape or form with yesterday's party.  The Bush family is stuck in the past - sure, they have class and they want both sides to work together - but we are dealing with a thuggish totalitarian Democrat party now that will stop at nothing to implement their agenda. 

We need a fighter that is not afraid to get down and dirty and throw their tactics right back into their face.  You will probably say that we have no choice, and that we have to work with them to get anything done.  I say when you work with the Devil you will get used and then thrown away. 

Dire times call for different strategies than what has worked in the past.  I do believe that if somehow Bush becomes our nominee, he will go down as another Romney - a classy guy that will be mowed down by the opposition.  There are a lot of people that feel the way I do, I do not believe he can win.  What he has done for Florida has taken place in a microcosm and I don't think he translates well for the rest of the country. 

And a big chunk of that is due to his name - sorry to say - but that is the reality of it.  God bless you for your efforts, but I don't think enough people are going to be convinced.  We are that sick of Bush and Clinton dynasties. 

And I still don't think Hillary can win for that reason and because she is the most unlikable human being one can imagine.  She will step down for health and family reasons, I'm sure of it.

Sad.

If you wish to rule over a portion of the nation, that portion of the nation will strive t rule over us.

They have the numbers.

[Bigun]

To a democrat Compromise means do it my way or else!

[bkepley]

Deciding that you won't vote for Jeb Bush because of his last name makes as much sense as deciding that you'll vote for Obama because of his skin color or Hillary because of her (alleged) gender.

Jeb is actually the best Bush by far.

Here's The Wall Street Journal on Jeb:

The Florida Supreme Court, as you may recall from the Bush/Gore recount wars, is fabulously liberal. They detested Jeb's policies and fought him all the way through his constituency. He eventually won the battle by turning control of the nomination process over to the Governorship and away from the State's Bar Association.

It's a long race, and I believe I know which candidates will be left standing at the end.

If it's Bush there will be a large number of unhappy right wingers who are driven mad by illegal immigration but tell me something new.

[Fishrrman]

Luis wrote:
[[ Deciding that you won't vote for Jeb Bush because of his last name makes as much sense as deciding that you'll vote for Obama because of his skin color or Hillary because of her (alleged) gender. ]]

No, Luis. In the political realm, what often "doesn't make sense", wins anyway. It wins in spite of the lack of sense. It wins because of it.

Whether you like it or not, a large cohort of American voters (and I daresay that they come from both sides of the political spectrum) base their voting decisions upon matters that are "visceral" -- based on emotion and "gut feeling" as much as upon logic and rationale.

This is what wins elections, what "tips them" towards one side or the other.
This is why there isn't going to be another "Bush" elected in America.

Even if a few of Mr. Bush's ideas may be good (and I'm not convinced that many of them are), his name is going to defeat him in the general election, more than anything else.

No more Bushes.
No more Clintons.
No more elite political dynasties.
Call that illogical if you wish.
But I sense that there are millions upon millions of American voters who believe in just that...

[Luis Gonzalez]

Luis wrote:
[[ Deciding that you won't vote for Jeb Bush because of his last name makes as much sense as deciding that you'll vote for Obama because of his skin color or Hillary because of her (alleged) gender. ]]

No, Luis. In the political realm, what often "doesn't make sense", wins anyway. It wins in spite of the lack of sense. It wins because of it.

Whether you like it or not, a large cohort of American voters (and I daresay that they come from both sides of the political spectrum) base their voting decisions upon matters that are "visceral" -- based on emotion and "gut feeling" as much as upon logic and rationale.

This is what wins elections, what "tips them" towards one side or the other.
This is why there isn't going to be another "Bush" elected in America.

Even if a few of Mr. Bush's ideas may be good (and I'm not convinced that many of them are), his name is going to defeat him in the general election, more than anything else.

No more Bushes.
No more Clintons.
No more elite political dynasties.
Call that illogical if you wish.
But I sense that there are millions upon millions of American voters who believe in just that...

That's how we ended up with Obama, and that's how we will end up with Hillary as POTUS.

[Paladin]

That's how we ended up with Obama, and that's how we will end up with Hillary as POTUS.

Perhaps.

I will make a bold prediction, one that may cause me huge embarrassment in the future, but I don't think so. Hillary will withdraw her candidacy.

Keep an eye on IA and especially NH. If she does poorly, and by poorly I mean doesn't rack up a huge victory in both against Sanders, she will pull an LBJ and drop out.

Her replacement? Not Biden, but probably Kerry or Gore.

Now we get to see what kind of prognosticator I am.

[Bigun]

Perhaps.

I will make a bold prediction, one that may cause me huge embarrassment in the future, but I don't think so. Hillary will withdraw her candidacy.

Keep an eye on IA and especially NH. If she does poorly, and by poorly I mean doesn't rack up a huge victory in both against Sanders, she will pull an LBJ and drop out.

Her replacement? Not Biden, but probably Kerry or Gore.

Now we get to see what kind of prognosticator I am.

You aren't as far out on that limb as you think!  While I didn't predict who they would replace her with I predicted the Hillary would not be the democrat nominee many months ago and still do today.

[Bigun]

That's how we ended up with Obama, and that's how we will end up with Hillary as POTUS.

NO! We ended up with Obama because we nominated a milk toast mushy middle candidate to run against him both times!

[Luis Gonzalez]

NO! We ended up with Obama because we nominated a milk toast mushy middle candidate to run against him both times!

I am so incredible tired of that mindless, illogical BS that you keep throwing around.

I'll grant you that maybe even Palin wasn't enough to draw out the conservative vote for McCain, and the historical significance of a black man running for President may have been just too much for people who pick their candidates based on race, gender or (adversion to a) surname to pass up on, but to say that after four years of Obama, it was Romney that caused Obama to be re-elected is plain stupid.

That would mean that conservatives who would have voted for a candidate more to their liking, after four years of the disaster of a Socialist administration that Obama delivered, either voted for Obama to be re-elected, or thought that Obama was a better choice than Romney and stayed home on election day, and it also makes absolutely no sense to think that the independent voter decided to vote for a Socialist because the GOP candidate was not conservative enough for them.

So which is it?

It can only be one or the other.

Either way, the disaster that's been the Obama administration these last seven years, according to you, and irrespective of any excuse you may want to float out there (and you are full of those) is the fault of the conservative voters.

[Bigun]

I am so incredible tired of that mindless, illogical BS that you keep throwing around.

I'll grant you that maybe even Palin wasn't enough to draw out the conservative vote for McCain, and the historical significance of a black man running for President may have been just too much for people who pick their candidates based on race, gender or (adversion to a) surname to pass up on, but to say that after four years of Obama, it was Romney that caused Obama to be re-elected is plain stupid.

That would mean that conservatives who would have voted for a candidate more to their liking, after four years of the disaster of a Socialist administration that Obama delivered, either voted for Obama to be re-elected, or thought that Obama was a better choice than Romney and stayed home on election day, and it also makes absolutely no sense to think that the independent voter decided to vote for a Socialist because the GOP candidate was not conservative enough for them.

So which is it?

It can only be one or the other.

Either way, the disaster that's been the Obama administration these last seven years, according to you, and irrespective of any excuse you may want to float out there (and you are full of those) is the fault of the conservative voters.

This may come as a shock to you Luis but the fact is that I could care less what you are incredibly tired of!

[Luis Gonzalez]

This may come as a shock to you Luis but the fact is that I could care less what you are incredibly tired of!

You have no response do you?

Your crappy, tired old line got ground to dust and you have no response.

I figured as much.