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Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
Friday, July 31, 2015 05:51 AM

 

HARARE, Zimbabwe — Zimbabwe's wildlife minister says extradition is being sought for the American dentist who killed the popular lion, Cecil.

Oppah Muchinguri, environment, water and climate minister, told a news conference Friday: "We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws. ... Police should take the first step to approach the prosecutor general who will approach the Americans. The processes have already started."

"Unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin," Muchinguri said. "We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable."

On Tuesday, hunter Walter James Palmer of Minnesota issued a statement saying he relied on his guides to ensure the hunt was legal.

Cecil, well known to visitors of a Zimbabwe nature park and part of a study by Oxford researchers since 2008 into the African lion population, was reportedly lured from the protected habitat by food for the hunt.
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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2015, 04:08:25 pm »
Works for me.
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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2015, 10:46:31 pm »
For what it's worth, from a publication called Conservative Tribune:
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... But most people in Zimbabwe don’t care about the dead lion, as they have much greater problems to deal with, such as an 80 percent unemployment rate, insane monetary inflation and a hugely corrupt government.

“Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country,” said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. “What is so special about this one?”

The truth is, most locals in Zimbabwe actually look forward to the big game hunts that Westerners engage in, as the high price tag for the hunts means money pumped into the local economy, not to mention the meat from such hunts is required by law to be given to local tribes and villages.

“Why are the Americans more concerned than us?” said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father of two. “We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange.” ...
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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2015, 11:21:19 pm »
He can't be guaranteed due process in Zimbabwe. He can be tried here in the US under federal law; we have provisions for this sort of thing.
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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2015, 11:26:09 pm »
He can't be guaranteed due process in Zimbabwe. He can be tried here in the US under federal law; we have provisions for this sort of thing.
And what U.S. law would apply to this matter?
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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2015, 11:47:42 pm »
And what U.S. law would apply to this matter?

He could be charged for illegally killing the animal and shipping it back to the United States.

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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2015, 11:49:37 pm »
Some well needed perspective................Zimbabweans don't understand 'fuss' over Cecil

Outside Zimbabwe's environmental and activist circles, the reaction has been muted.

"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss. There are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."

An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two-thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.

Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a make living to care about it.

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Fine the doctor if he broke the law, and have the money go to animal conservation in Zimbabwe, but dear god don't destroys a mans life over this. I'm sick of the dishonest hypocrite society from PC hell, now forming a "All Lions Lives Matter" movement.  Lions are a renewable resource. Go back to sleep.
 
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Re: Zimbabwe Wants US to Extradite Minn. Dentist in Lion's Death
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2015, 02:18:09 am »
Here's a little more info to follow up a post I put up in another thread.
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Dagnabbit is correct and I was wrong. It is not simple at all.

I've been all over the net looking for trustworthy sites and communicating with my South African colleagues and the situation is muddled. Regardless of the legalities, the land owner, the professional hunter and the dentist have a heap of troubles ahead and are in deep kimpchi.

From the Harare (Mutsaka reported from Harare, Zimbabwe) News:

The two arrested Zimbabwean men — a professional hunter and a farm owner — face poaching charges, the Zimbabwe National Parks and Wildlife Authority and the Safari Operators Association said in a joint statement. Killing the lion was illegal because the farm owner did not have a hunting permit, the joint statement said. The lion was skinned and beheaded. The hunters tried to destroy the lion's collar, fitted with a tracking device, but failed, the statement said.

The dentist - who's been in hiding for four days - is facing the threat of prosecution in the U.S. and his international hunting organisation membership has been suspended.

Today, Safari Club International (SCI), which promotes big-game hunting and has about 55,000 members worldwide, issued a statement saying Dr Palmer and Mr Bronkhorst's memberships will be suspended and that it wants a 'full and thorough investigation'.

The club said: 'Those who intentionally take wildlife illegally should be prosecuted and punished to the maximum extent allowed by law.'

Using bait to lure the lion is deemed unethical by the Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe, of which Bronkhorst was a member until the association revoked his license.

"Ethics are certainly against baiting. Animals are supposed to be given a chance of a fair chase," Emmanuel Fundira, the association's president, said. "In fact, it was not a hunt at all. The animal was baited, and that is not how we do it. It is not allowed."

It was not entirely clear whether baiting is allowed by Zimbabwe law. Fundira said the practice was both unethical and illegal. The conservation group Lion Aid says it is unethical but not expressly forbidden.

From the Daily Mail in the U.K.:

And as his troubles escalate, even the PR firm that Dr Palmer hired to help him deal with the media firestorm has deserted him.

The company, which specialises in 'crisis and issue management, special situations, transactions and transitions' has said they no longer represent the dentist and said another, as-yet unidentified firm had taken on his case. 

Today, Edward Grace, deputy chief of law enforcement at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said they are investigating the circumstances surrounding the killing of Cecil.

'That investigation will take us wherever the facts lead,' he said. 'At this point in time, however, multiple efforts to contact Dr Walter Palmer have been unsuccessful. We ask that Dr Palmer or his representative contact us immediately.'

While hunting lions is legal in certain areas of Zimbabwe, more than 600 are killed by “trophy” hunters each year. Hunting lions who live on protected lands, such as Cecil’s home of Hwange National Park, is against the law and considered poaching.

Under Zimbabwe’s laws, officials said, the penalty for the crime of which Palmer is now accused can be up to 15 years behind bars. Palmer’s guide on the hunt that killed Cecil, Theo Bronkhurst, now faces that penalty.

Also arrested and facing the charges was Zimbabwean farmer Honest Ndlovu, who owned the land to which Cecil was lured using the temptation of food as “bait.” Though hunting lions on Ndlovu’s land would be legal if the lions were native to that property, tricking lions into leaving the park so they can be killed is against the law.

The United States has a strong extradition treaty with Zimbabwe that was signed by President Bill Clinton and has been in effect since 2000. The treaty requires that an individual accused of acts that violate both Zimbabwe and United States laws must be extradited for trial.

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