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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/16/hungary-builds-a-wall-cuts-illegal-immigration-by-over-99-per-cent/

Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
by JACK MONTGOMERY
16 Sep 2017

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Hungary has slashed illegal immigration by over 99 per cent after rolling out a series of powerful border fences in response to the European migrant crisis, possibly providing a lesson as to the potential impact of constructing President Trump’s much-discussed southern wall in the U.S.

Speaking on the second anniversary of the government’s move to seal Hungary’s border with Serbia — which is also an external border for the European Union — Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Chief Security Advisor, György Bakondi, announced that the fences have caused illegal immigration to collapse from 391,000 in 2015, to 18,236 in 2016, to just 1,184 in 2017.

“The system of technical barriers is the key to the success of border security, and without it, it would be impossible to stop the mass arrival of immigrants”, the security chief explained.

Hungary had to respond rapidly to the migrant influx which burst upon Europe after Germany’s Angela Merkel announced there was “no limit” on the number of asylum seekers her own country would accept, so its frontiers are defended by twin fences peppered with watchtowers and patrolled by thousands of newly recruited border guards rather than a solid wall — which would have taken longer to construct.

Nevertheless, as it has been steadily reinforced illegal migration has slowed to a trickle — drawing the ire of open borders activists like billionaire financier George Soros and globalist officials at the European Union and the United Nations.

For example, UN Refugee Agency chief Filippo Grandi visited the border and complained: “When I was standing at the border fence today, I felt the entire system is designed to keep people, many of whom are fleeing war and persecution, out of the country”.

Grandi also called on Hungary to get rid of the border-spanning transit zones it has established, which allow all asylum seekers entering the country to be detained while the validity of their claims are assessed.

The Hungarians introduced these zones after it was discovered that many of the Paris 2015 terrorists had passed through their territory — a step-change from other EU member-states, which leave migrants more or less at large, with sometimes deadly consequences, in obedience to EU law.

“There is continuous migration pressure on our borders,” insisted Dr Zoltán Kovács, the Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Relations.

“The measures introduced in the interests of protecting the border continue to be necessary; it is thanks to these that the number of migrants entering Hungary illegally and in an uncontrolled manner has fallen drastically.”

“People who attack the fence are taking a stand in favour of allowing large numbers of people to enter the country without any form of control,” added Mr. Bakondi.

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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 09:02:26 pm »
In before the usual suspects arrive who will retort that "walls don't work"...  ;)

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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 09:09:34 pm »
In before the usual suspects arrive who will retort that "walls don't work"...  ;)

The article didn't tell me how long the wall is, what is the terrain and is it staffed by border guards.

I'm not sure if we are comparing the same thing that might happen in the US.

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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 10:28:56 pm »
In before the usual suspects arrive who will retort that "walls don't work"...  ;)

These are (quoting Breitbart) "border fences". [emphasis added]

You know, what Ted Cruz proposed -- long before Trump said anything about a wall -- but were pooh-poohed by the Trump Militant.  They told us that fences wouldn't work.

So, the Trumpers were proven wrong, yet again.
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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2017, 11:13:37 pm »
They're not alone. Bulgaria has a very adequate fence as well. Bulgaria doesn't have the resources of larger countries but they still built one.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/698963/Bulgaria-migrant-crisis-30-kilometre-fence-Greece-Turkey
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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 12:13:01 am »
The article didn't tell me how long the wall is, what is the terrain and is it staffed by border guards.

I'm not sure if we are comparing the same thing that might happen in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier Hungary has seven international borders to contend with.

The ones along which Hungary was being overrun by "migrants" were the Serbian border and the Croatian border. Ninety six miles of barrier were constructed along the Serbian Border, 216 miles along the Croatian Border.
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Impact on the number of illegal migrants entering Hungary
Attempted border entries have fallen since the barrier was constructed. During the month of September 2015 there was a total number of 138,396 migrant entries, and by the first two weeks of November the average daily number of intercepted migrants decreased to only 15, which is a daily reduction of more than 4,500.
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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 12:37:31 am »
I appreciate that you posted that map

We have a very long border that will be hard to build on because of the terrain






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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 12:47:55 am »
I appreciate that you posted that map

We have a very long border that will be hard to build on because of the terrain
Yep. That's a definite challenge. We also have a lot more people than Hungary. They put up 312 miles of fence, patrolled, and did it quickly. for under a billion in less than two years.

We have a little over 6 times as long a southern border. Not all of ours is the sort of terrain that will be easy to erect a barrier on, as I have little doubt theirs wasn't all easy going. Some of ours is pretty rough country for much of anything, but the easy routes could be done. They should be pretty well known, just from picking up people coming in. Now, that will shift people to harder terrain, and the fence can be extended to that as the need arises, but the bottom line is they did it, quickly, with far fewer resources, cheaply, and it works.
Where is our excellence? No doubt we could build one, all we lack is the will. From over 4500 a day to 15. Think about that.
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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 01:01:16 am »
For gosh sakes, this is -America-.

If Bulgaria can scrape up the resources to build this:


... then surely we can find the wherewithal to build this:


Once again, the only reason the open-borders apologists (including a few in this very forum) object so vociferously to the concept of a wall is... they realize... it would WORK.
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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 01:07:38 am »
/snicker

Not even darlin' Trump wants to build the wall; just a few fools who haven't quite figured out that Orange Julius lied to them. 
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Re: Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 03:04:11 am »
/snicker

Not even darlin' Trump wants to build the wall; just a few fools who haven't quite figured out that Orange Julius lied to them.
It isn't even Trump's idea. He was too busy calling Cruz names to give Cruz credit for an Idea he had broached in 2012, and doubtless there have been others.

The difference is that the Hungarians are close to where Vlad Tepys stopped an invasion of Europe with more direct means, and the will to do so. Here, that will is not so apparent.
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