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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2015, 08:01:56 pm »
I don't think Bastiat would have liked Martin Luther....

Martin Luther was the Alpha from whence all religious collectivists descended from.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2015, 08:03:42 pm »
I have you on ignore for a good reason but unfortunately I looked in on the thread without signing in to the site and there you were.

Your posts make no sense, and this one is no exception.

It's good that you started out with a personal attack. I find that almost always makes anything that follows carry more weight with my intended audience. /s

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2015, 08:06:40 pm »
It's good that you started out with a personal attack. I find that almost always makes anything that follows carry more weight with my intended audience. /s

He makes no sense and your selective vision gives you no credibility.

Here's the first of Dan's post that caught my eye.

It's interesting that the more liberal members of the forum follow in the true liberal tradition of arguing over terms rather than substance.

Since you add nothing to most discussions, like Dan adds nothing,you'll go on the dustbin of ignore as well.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2015, 08:15:32 pm »
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Is it really, really necessary to introduce into this forum the same kind of censorship that has become de riguer over at "that other place"....?

I believe in free speech. In my impetulant youth, I remember signing a petition in Westport (CT) to get the communist party on the ballot. I think I got investigated by the FBI for that one. That was about 43 years ago or so.

I've wised up a bit since then, but not insofar as speech is concerned.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2015, 08:18:16 pm »
He makes no sense and your selective vision gives you no credibility.

Here's the first of Dan's post that caught my eye.

It's interesting that the more liberal members of the forum follow in the true liberal tradition of arguing over terms rather than substance.

Since you add nothing to most discussions, like Dan adds nothing,you'll go on the dustbin of ignore as well.

I'm heartbroken.
At least when I'm not contributing, I make it short. You are a typical liberal, verbose, venomous and vacuous.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2015, 08:29:04 pm »
He makes no sense and your selective vision gives you no credibility.

Here's the first of Dan's post that caught my eye.

It's interesting that the more liberal members of the forum follow in the true liberal tradition of arguing over terms rather than substance.

Since you add nothing to most discussions, like Dan adds nothing,you'll go on the dustbin of ignore as well.

I don't know what to say...I'm as prone to making silly posts as anybody.  Sometimes I think people read me just to see what dumbass thing I'm pumping out now....  :whistle:
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2015, 08:39:23 pm »
But he is the guy who began the process of turning marriage from a sacrament to a civil entity.

In other words, Martin Luther is the guy standing at the top of the slide in that "slippery slope" that everyone talks about when it comes to the degradation of the sacrament of marriage.

That may, or may not be the case, but please point out where the Founders were German Lutherans, or even Calvinists, and then we'll talk......

My previous point was that Luther said a lot of things that have no bearing on how we now live.

Scapegoating him because he broke away from an extremely corrupt (at the time) Catholic Church, won't take you very far among logical Americans, Luis.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2015, 08:47:17 pm »
I don't wish to get embroiled in this aspect of the conversation, but I don't think it's a personal attack to say an argument makes no sense. My arguments often fail. If someone points that out to me, well, good for them. They caught the flaw in my logic. I consider that helpful.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2015, 08:48:36 pm »
He makes no sense and your selective vision gives you no credibility.

Here's the first of Dan's post that caught my eye.

It's interesting that the more liberal members of the forum follow in the true liberal tradition of arguing over terms rather than substance.

Since you add nothing to most discussions, like Dan adds nothing,you'll go on the dustbin of ignore as well.

After getting called on engaging in personal attacks, Luis responds with... (wait for it)... personal attacks...      :silly:

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2015, 08:55:03 pm »
After getting called on engaging in personal attacks, Luis responds with... (wait for it)... personal attacks...      :silly:

I'm actually kind of flattered to be grouped with you.  :beer:

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2015, 09:00:03 pm »
I don't wish to get embroiled in this aspect of the conversation, but I don't think it's a personal attack to say an argument makes no sense. My arguments often fail. If someone points that out to me, well, good for them. They caught the flaw in my logic. I consider that helpful.

Agree.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2015, 09:00:45 pm »
I'm actually kind of flattered to be grouped with you.  :beer:

Oh you are a bad boy...    :silly:

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2015, 09:01:44 pm »
I'm actually kind of flattered to be grouped with you.  :beer:

Oh, don't go there, Relic.

You're in a whole different universe!
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2015, 09:49:08 pm »
That may, or may not be the case, but please point out where the Founders were German Lutherans, or even Calvinists, and then we'll talk......

My previous point was that Luther said a lot of things that have no bearing on how we now live.

Scapegoating him because he broke away from an extremely corrupt (at the time) Catholic Church, won't take you very far among logical Americans, Luis.

Well, they were Protestants, so not Catholics, and all Protestants are fruit from Marin Luther's tree.

P.S. There were so many Germans in the US during the days of the Founders that they made Ben Franklin concerned about the future of the future nation.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2015, 09:51:32 pm »
That may, or may not be the case, but please point out where the Founders were German Lutherans, or even Calvinists, and then we'll talk......

My previous point was that Luther said a lot of things that have no bearing on how we now live.

Scapegoating him because he broke away from an extremely corrupt (at the time) Catholic Church, won't take you very far among logical Americans, Luis.

It's not so much that he broke away from the Church, but that he took what was a sacrament and gave the control over it to government, and here we are, all upset about what the government is doing to marriage.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2015, 09:54:29 pm »
It's not so much that he broke away from the Church, but that he took what was a sacrament and gave the control over it to government, and here we are, all upset about what the government is doing to marriage.

P.S. And making the argument that the only solution and the only way to save the institution of marriage, is to take it from the government and return it to the Church.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2015, 09:56:38 pm »
I was going to make a comment but it looks like the conversation has degenerated to a farce.

I'll try another thread at another time.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2015, 10:02:57 pm »
I was going to make a comment but it looks like the conversation has degenerated to a farce.

I'll try another thread at another time.

Yep..... **nononono*
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2015, 10:19:45 pm »
I was going to make a comment but it looks like the conversation has degenerated to a farce.

I'll try another thread at another time.

Don't label a well-mannered and thoughtful three-page conversation a "farce" because of a few posts that add nothing to anything being discussed.

That's myopic.

Three pages of polite and even insightful commentary dismissed because some people decided to comment on the posters rather than the topic?

And yes... if you walk into a thread in a right-wing forum and your your entire contribution is likening those with whom you don't agree with to "liberals", you have zero to add to the discussion and you are guilty of trying to derail the thread.

I called it and moved on.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2015, 11:03:59 pm »
Yep..... **nononono*

I'm sorry Myst, but I got quite a lot out of this thread.  I'm sorry if I said anything n it to make you think it was sub par.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2015, 11:06:23 pm »
I'm sorry Myst, but I got quite a lot out of this thread.  I'm sorry if I said anything n it to make you think it was sub par.

Me thinks some of us are getting a bit tired of the bullsh*t that seems to appear whenever there's a philosophical difference of opinions.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2015, 11:12:13 pm »
Me thinks some of us are getting a bit tired of the bullsh*t that seems to appear whenever there's a philosophical difference of opinions.

Totally believable to me.  It's why I left for a few months.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2015, 11:17:52 pm »
I'm sorry Myst, but I got quite a lot out of this thread.  I'm sorry if I said anything n it to make you think it was sub par.

No problem Cyber...this thread has remained more civil then some I've seen...lol...
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2015, 12:26:55 am »
Me thinks some of us are getting a bit tired of the bullsh*t that seems to appear whenever there's a philosophical difference of opinions.

Are you referring to the high minded, well thought out philosophy of blaming of Protestants and Germans?

How is a similar treatment of Mexicans received?

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2015, 12:59:48 am »
Well, they were Protestants, so not Catholics, and all Protestants are fruit from Marin Luther's tree.

P.S. There were so many Germans in the US during the days of the Founders that they made Ben Franklin concerned about the future of the future nation.

Most of them were Deists, and as such didn't have much in common with Martin Luther.

Frankly, Luther was more of a Catholic than a Deist.

I think you're going nowhere with this line of attack, Luis.....

(Oh, and I know about the German thing too, but Mennonites are a far cry from Lutherans, as well).
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