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House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« on: March 03, 2015, 08:30:39 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/234467-house-approves-dhs-funding

By Scott Wong,Rebecca Shabad and Cristina Marcos - 03/03/15 03:16 PM EST
The House voted Tuesday to fund the Department of Homeland Security, ending a months-long impasse over President Obama’s immigration policies and averting a weekend shutdown at the agency.

The vote highlighted the rift in the GOP over the measure, as all of the 167 no votes came from Republicans — more than twice as many as the 75 who supported the bill.
It cleared the House on a 257-167 vote only because of the unanimous support of the House's Democrats.

The vote allows Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to finally turn the page on an ugly chapter in his leadership that consumed the opening months of the new Republican-controlled Congress.

The $40 billion spending bill keeps DHS funded through the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, but is stripped of GOP-favored provisions aimed at halting Obama’s controversial executive actions on immigration. The so-called “clean” funding bill had passed the Senate earlier; it now goes to Obama, who has already vowed to sign it.

Supporters cheered the move, saying it would finally let the GOP move on to its agenda.

“I’ve said all along we need to govern responsibly, and this is an important step,” said freshman Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who had spent weeks urging his former House colleagues to back a “clean” funding bill.

The DHS fight exposed deep fissures between House Republicans, who wanted to take a more aggressive stance, and Senate Republicans, who argued early on that Obama had a stronger hand in the standoff and would ultimately prevail.

Centrist and conservative Republicans also had openly quarreled over the best strategy to combat Obama’s immigration moves, with the debate descending into insults and name-calling.

It also highlighted once again the tenuous power Boehner enjoys over his conference.

Conservatives said they weren’t surprised Boehner capitulated to Democrats. But they still voiced disappointment that GOP leaders hadn’t put up a stronger fight in Congress.

“I believe this is a sad day for America,” Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.) said on the House floor during a vigorous debate before the vote. “If we aren't going to fight now, when are we going to fight?”

Boehner spelled out his plans — and the political reality — in a GOP caucus meeting at the Capitol Hill Club on Tuesday morning. He told rank-and-file members the House had voted to fund DHS and stop Obama’s executive actions, but said Senate Democrats repeatedly had blocked the bill from moving forward, according to a source in the room.

It’s unlikely another short-term stopgap measure could pass Congress, Boehner said. And shutting down the nation’s top agency charged with fighting domestic terror was out of the question.

“With more active threats coming into the homeland, I don’t believe that’s an option,” Boehner told his members. “Imagine if, God forbid, another terrorist attack hits the United States.”

Republicans’ best shot to stop Obama’s immigration policies, Boehner explained, is now in the courts. A federal judge from Texas has temporarily halted the policies from taking effect, ruling that the president’s actions were unconstitutional, though the Obama administration has appealed that decision.

“I am as outraged and frustrated as you at the lawless and unconstitutional actions of this president,” Boehner said. “I believe this decision – considering where we are – is the right one for this team, and the right one for this country.

“The good news is that the president’s executive action has been stopped, for now.  This matter will continue to be litigated in the courts, where we have our best chance of winning this fight.”

Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), a close ally of Boehner’s, made the motion Tuesday to use an obscure House rule to bring the Senate-passed funding bill to a House vote.

He was also one of three floor managers on the bill, something highly unusual in the House. Typically there is only one floor manager per party.

Simpson managed debate for Republicans; Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) for Democrats; and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) for hard-line conservative members of the Freedom Caucus.

Simpson blasted the conservatives' strategy as a path destined to fail. He pointed out the DHS funding bill doesn't contain money for processing the executive actions in the first place, since those are funded by fees.

“What it will lead to is a closedown of the Department of Homeland Security. And that is not a victory. That is dangerous,” Simpson said as members of the Freedom Caucus sat a few feet away on the floor.

Simpson, a member of the House Appropriations Committee, said Republicans should establish a clear plan that doesn't result in a dead end.

“I will fight with anyone, and I will stand on their side, as long as they can show me a path to potential victory,” Simpson said.

Congressional Republicans have wrestled for the past three months over how to respond to Obama’s executive actions. In the November lame-duck session, the president announced new initiatives that would shield as many as 5 million people from deportation and give many of them work permits.

In December, Republicans funded the entire government through September except DHS, which they chose to only fund through February. Republican leaders believed once they controlled both chambers of Congress, they would be in a stronger position to torpedo Obama’s executive orders.

The House first passed a new funding bill in January with provisions that would reverse Obama’s immigration policies from 2011, 2012 and 2014. Senate Democrats, despite being in the minority, blocked it four times from reaching the Senate floor.

Some Republicans saw an exit ramp when a federal judge in Texas temporarily halted Obama’s 2014 orders earlier this month, but conservatives in the House insisted keeping up the fight. 

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who had wanted to start the new Congress with a fully-funded government, made a deal with Senate Democrats last week to send a clean bill back to the House.

Boehner didn’t immediately accept that option, and tried to produce a conference agreement with Senate Republicans. That plan spiraled out of control last Friday when a three-week DHS funding bill failed after conservatives and Democrats voted against it in a humiliating defeat for GOP leaders.

To prevent a partial DHS shutdown just hours before the deadline, Boehner had to agree to a deal with Pelosi on a one-week funding bill. Pelosi said she agreed to the one-week funding because it would lead to a vote this week on longer-term funding for DHS.

“These cliffs are disastrous for all of us. Time to move on,” said centrist Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), who has long been critical of the party's strategy on the issue.
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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 08:59:04 pm »
Boehner and cronies cave again.  No surprise.  However, they sure are going to be surprised when they lose their majority next voting cycle (if we make it). The Senate will go back to the DEMS and retaining the House is going to be a struggle.  The GOPe can't possibly be dense enough to think that with actions like these they are going to retain their majority and have a chance at the oval office.

I am disgusted with the GOPe, DEMS, Obama and Washington in general.  Washington is broken and I certainly don't expect miracles to happen, but you would think that with the GOP having the majority they would be able to accomplish something. I have little doubt they won't do anything to stop Obama policy and overreach.
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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 01:13:58 am »
Boehner and cronies cave again.  No surprise.  However, they sure are going to be surprised when they lose their majority next voting cycle (if we make it). The Senate will go back to the DEMS and retaining the House is going to be a struggle.  The GOPe can't possibly be dense enough to think that with actions like these they are going to retain their majority and have a chance at the oval office.

I am disgusted with the GOPe, DEMS, Obama and Washington in general.  Washington is broken and I certainly don't expect miracles to happen, but you would think that with the GOP having the majority they would be able to accomplish something. I have little doubt they won't do anything to stop Obama policy and overreach.


Blah blah blah blah... Sometimes you can't win them all and a shutdown would have been a disaster...
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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 01:18:17 am »

Blah blah blah blah... Sometimes you can't win them all and a shutdown would have been a disaster...

Not funding DHS would not have "shut down our security."

The only effect of temporarily not funding DHS would have been some nonessential secretaries would not have had to show up for work. All essential security functions (which amount to 85% of DHS) would have continued to be on the job. Security would've remained intact.

We've got to stop playing the game on the Democrats field. Stop letting them define the issue.

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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 01:25:39 am »
Not funding DHS would not have "shut down our security."

The only effect of temporarily not funding DHS would have been some nonessential secretaries would not have had to show up for work. All essential security functions (which amount to 85% of DHS) would have continued to be on the job. Security would've remained intact.

We've got to stop playing the game on the Democrats field. Stop letting them define the issue.

Exactly right! But some of the "conservatives" here INSIST on repeating democrat talking points till the cows come home!
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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 01:31:23 am »
Not funding DHS would not have "shut down our security."

The only effect of temporarily not funding DHS would have been some nonessential secretaries would not have had to show up for work. All essential security functions (which amount to 85% of DHS) would have continued to be on the job. Security would've remained intact.

We've got to stop playing the game on the Democrats field. Stop letting them define the issue.

I think you're assuming the Republicans want to stop the Democrats. Once elected and in the club, they're taken care of, even if they lose the next election.

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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 01:42:49 am »

Blah blah blah blah... Sometimes you can't win them all and a shutdown would have been a disaster...

Indeed!  I'm glad it is finally done. 
Conservatives threatened to force Boehner out if he passed clean funding for DHS.

Boehner said "bring it."

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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 02:05:40 am »
Exactly right! But some of the "conservatives" here INSIST on repeating democrat talking points till the cows come home!

Some of it is the product of honest disagreement with the Republicans' choice of tactics. Let's face facts: too many of today's GOP leaders are awful at tactics, and seem to have tin ears for politics. In the present instance and in all candor, many GOP leaders happen to agree with Democrats on amnesty, albeit for different reasons. Millions of reasons, actually. And all of those reasons have Benjamin Franklin's picture on them.

But there is also at work a form of political Stockholm Syndrome: some Republican leaders cravenly hope for respectful treatment from those who frankly detest them by trying to cooperate and compromise with them. They imagine they are dealing with their father's Democrats, but they are not. They are dealing with radicals who not only detest Republicans, but also America, as it was founded.

Today's "Democrats" wish to transform our nation into something more to their liking, something that looks a lot more like modern Europe: state-controlled, socialist, and dominated not by individual initiative and free enterprise but instead by collectivism and mass dependency upon political favors, doled out by an elite class of public tyrants who pose as servants and live like Kings.   
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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 02:19:06 am »
Some of it is the product of honest disagreement with the Republicans' choice of tactics. Let's face facts: too many of today's GOP leaders are awful at tactics, and seem to have tin ears for politics. In the present instance and in all candor, many GOP leaders happen to agree with Democrats on amnesty, albeit for different reasons. Millions of reasons, actually. And all of those reasons have Benjamin Franklin's picture on them.

But there is also at work a form of political Stockholm Syndrome: some Republican leaders cravenly hope for respectful treatment from those who frankly detest them by trying to cooperate and compromise with them. They imagine they are dealing with their father's Democrats, but they are not. They are dealing with radicals who not only detest Republicans, but also America, as it was founded.

Today's "Democrats" wish to transform our nation into something more to their liking, something that looks a lot more like modern Europe: state-controlled, socialist, and dominated not by individual initiative and free enterprise but instead by collectivism and mass dependency upon political favors, doled out by an elite class of public tyrants who pose as servants and live like Kings.

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 02:42:09 am »
So are the TEA 25 going to follow up on their threat to oust Boehner from his leadership position?

Or, was it yet again just more tired and impotent symbolism to raise a few dollars after standing up to the "GOPe?"

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 02:45:23 am »
Some of it is the product of honest disagreement with the Republicans' choice of tactics. Let's face facts: too many of today's GOP leaders are awful at tactics, and seem to have tin ears for politics.

I'd argue that the TEA 25 is awful at tactics, and seem to have tin ears for politics.  They are officially on the outside at this point.  Sure, their seats are safe for now, but nationally their obstructionism toward their party leadership is as bad as Harry Reid. 

At this point, I think Boehner should just park them in the corner, and they can rattle their tin cups for coins every few months with another ineffective, divisive, and symbolic political gesture.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 02:56:48 am »
I'd argue that the TEA 25 is awful at tactics, and seem to have tin ears for politics.  They are officially on the outside at this point.  Sure, their seats are safe for now, but nationally their obstructionism toward their party leadership is as bad as Harry Reid. 

At this point, I think Boehner should just park them in the corner, and they can rattle their tin cups for coins every few months with another ineffective, divisive, and symbolic political gesture.

If obstructing tyranny is a crime, then I support the "criminals".

You want the GOP to cooperate with the radicals who call themselves "Democrats"? Include me out.

They don't want to negotiate with us. They want to destroy us. Until you understand your enemy, you'll never win.
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Re: House approves Homeland Security funding in 257-167 vote
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 03:02:00 am »
Relic wrote above:
[[ I think you're assuming the Republicans want to stop the Democrats. Once elected and in the club, they're taken care of, even if they lose the next election. ]]

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 04:42:05 am »
If obstructing tyranny is a crime, then I support the "criminals".

You can't "obstruct" tyranny.  There is only one solution to defeat true tyranny.  Complaining about the "GOPe" isn't that solution as you sit on the sidelines anonymously on the internet.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 05:02:48 am »
If obstructing tyranny is a crime, then I support the "criminals".
If I thought shutting down DHS was obstructing tyranny then I would join you.