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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/29/almost-half-of-u-s-households-cant-save-spend-all-of-their-income/

by BREITBART NEWS29 Jan 2015

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Reserve has declared economic growth “solid.” But several new reports show most Americans are treading along a dangerous financial tightrope, where one slip could be devastating.

Nearly half of U.S. households – 47 percent – say they spend all of their income, go into debt or dip into savings to meet their annual expenses, according to an analysis of Fed survey data released Thursday by the Pew Charitable Trusts.

“They could not withstand a serious financial emergency,” said Diana Elliott, a Pew research manager who co-wrote the analysis. “That really is the contrast to the macroeconomic story” of a recovering economy.

“Macro indicators tell us a lot, but they don’t tell us what is specifically happening within families,” she said.

If a typical middle-class household had to weather a period of joblessness without any income, they would exhaust their available savings within 21 days, the analysis found. If that same family also cashed in all their retirement investments to get by, they would burn through those assets within four months.

Nor is there much flexibility in family budgets. Americans are devoting more of their income to housing, health care and personal insurance and pensions since 1984. After adjusting for inflation, their average annual expenses have risen 6 percent to $51,105 during that period. Their earnings have largely been flat for three decades – increasing only when factoring in government “transfers” such as tax cuts and Social Security checks.

The household numbers contrast sharply with broader economic indicators that tell a more upbeat story. According to those figures, the U.S. economy has roared back to life in recent months after muddling its way out of the Great Recession over the past seven years.

The unemployment rate has plunged to 5.6 percent from 6.7 percent over the past year. Gross domestic product surged at an annual pace of 4.8 percent in second and third quarters of 2014, with growth projected to be above 3 percent in the fourth quarter in a government report being released Friday.

Fed officials ended their January meeting on Wednesday by pronouncing the job gains as “strong” and growth as “solid,” an unmistakable vote of confidence based on the broader data that has yet to fully translate for many families. Yet that same Fed statement indicated that the central bank would be patient in raising historically low interest rates that are designed to stimulate growth, a nod to the dire situation confronting many families.

A separate economic scorecard released Thursday reported that 55.6 percent of U.S. consumers have subprime or near-prime credit scores, meaning they must pay a premium to borrow if they qualify at all for traditional loans and credit cards. Roughly 20 percent of households must routinely depend on “fringe financial services” such as payday lenders, according to the report by the nonprofit Corporation for Enterprise Development. The scorecard evaluated economic opportunity in every state based on 67 different measures drawn from government and industry data.

“There is something to be said about thinking who the economy is improving for,” said Kasey Wiedrich, director of applied research at the nonprofit.

Based on updated tax data released this week, the evidence is that the economy has improved for the 1 percent.

Including capital gains, they earned nearly 19 percent of all income in 2013, according to Emmanuel Saez, an economist at University of California at Berkeley. To be in the top 1 percent, a family had to earn at least $391,960. That’s more than seven times the annual median household income of $54,417, according to Sentier Research.
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Re: ALMOST HALF OF U.S. HOUSEHOLDS CAN’T SAVE, SPEND ALL OF THEIR INCOME
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 02:02:19 pm »
I'm going to break one of my personal creeds today.  I don't make comments on how people spend their own money.  It's not my business.  HOWEVER, to be unable to find $10.00/income period is OFTEN a matter of personal discipline.
Much of the problem, again, derives from the MSM.  Quite a few financial and economic reports recommend a 10% saving rate.  Pie in the sky.
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Re: ALMOST HALF OF U.S. HOUSEHOLDS CAN’T SAVE, SPEND ALL OF THEIR INCOME
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 02:50:48 pm »
I think people are entitled to do what they want with their money so long as they don't ask me to bail them out.  But I can't help but wonder what kind of example they are getting from the society in general when their government is $18 trillion in debt, encourages kids to take out tens of thousands in loans to go to college, and prints money like there is no tomorrow so that fat cat Wall Street bankers can get rich without taking any risks.  Here in Pennsylvania, the state government runs a lottery, owns racetracks, casinos and all the liquor stores.  It's basically a mafia operation legitimized by law.

Given all that, how can anyone be expected to think that financial responsibility is anything to aspire to?

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 03:08:55 pm »
I think people are entitled to do what they want with their money so long as they don't ask me to bail them out.  But I can't help but wonder what kind of example they are getting from the society in general when their government is $18 trillion in debt, encourages kids to take out tens of thousands in loans to go to college, and prints money like there is no tomorrow so that fat cat Wall Street bankers can get rich without taking any risks.  Here in Pennsylvania, the state government runs a lottery, owns racetracks, casinos and all the liquor stores.  It's basically a mafia operation legitimized by law.

Given all that, how can anyone be expected to think that financial responsibility is anything to aspire to?

It's funny you should make that state government remark today.  I made a similar comment on my FB page.  Organized crime makes money exploiting human frailties and the government prosecutes.  When the government does it, it's "revenue enhancement".
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 04:44:59 pm »
It's funny you should make that state government remark today.  I made a similar comment on my FB page.  Organized crime makes money exploiting human frailties and the government prosecutes.  When the government does it, it's "revenue enhancement".

Yep.  Look at tobacco.  Government at every level makes way, way more off a pack of cigarettes than the tobacco companies do.  In a way, it's honest.  Let's make no pretensions about exactly what business these politicians are in.  The only difference is that their "goons" are the cops, which was demonstrated in the Eric Garner case.  Had mafia hit men done that to a guy for infringing on their territory, we'd be outraged.  The fact that Garner was black distorted the truth of that matter, which was this was a clean-up operation to protect the city's tobacco revenues.

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2015, 11:54:24 pm »
Hmmmm.....I'd venture that it's noticeably higher than 50%.   Just another cooked report, compliments of the Obama administration.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 07:23:30 pm »
It's funny you should make that state government remark today.  I made a similar comment on my FB page.  Organized crime makes money exploiting human frailties and the government prosecutes.  When the government does it, it's "revenue enhancement".

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 08:02:19 pm »
I believe people can spend their money how they want, that still doesn't mean they spend it wisely. Most people could save if  they wanted to, but frankly have no concept of living well on limited income by being creatively frugal. The older generations got this, because they had no other choice.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 08:08:04 pm »
I believe people can spend their money how they want, that still doesn't mean they spend it wisely. Most people could save if  they wanted to, but frankly have no concept of living well on limited income by being creatively frugal. The older generations got this, because they had no other choice.

Saving something can be done by anybody. We all have our stories; I was able to do it when I was eating beans out of a can in an apartment with no furniture.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 08:24:07 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2015, 08:38:09 pm »
Saving something can be done by anybody. We all have our stories; I was able to do it when I was eating beans out of a can in an apartment with no furniture.

I know exactly what you mean. I recall, perhaps with a mixture of wistfulness and pride, the days I subsisted on Kraft mac and cheese (39 cents a box), and Hormel chili (79 cents a can), because that's all I could afford. Of course, that was over 30 ago. I'm afraid that our culture has changed a great deal in the intervening years.

In fact, I know so. I work with some of the largest retirement plans in the country, and I see every day just how unwilling people are today to defer gratification. One of the things people are doing in a big way is to hollow out their retirement plans through loans and premature withdrawals. There are some plans where virtually every person I speak to is maxed out on loans and looking for hardship withdrawals. It's truly scary.

On the other hand, salaries have gone nowhere for many people for over 20 years, while expenses keep increasing, so it's not entirely their fault. But that doesn't seem to stop them from spending money they do not have... just like their government.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2015, 09:21:16 pm »
People just don't get how you can eat well and not spend alot of money. Even if you have an apartment with a porch you can raise food, more so if you have a house with a yard and of course acreage. Most people don't want to do that.

You live at places like Aldi's, Dollar stores, Costco's, and Sam's Clubs. If you have an Amish store near you, they often have great prices on bulk food. My local had 50# of potatoes on sale for $8 last week for example.

With the internet now there is no limit to access to recipes, coupons and any kind of info on acquiring, store, and making food. I myself can live easily on $20 bucks a week or less just by putting the effort in to procuring cheap food supplies, but also learning how to cook variety with not a lot of different ingredients to work with.

People also don't want to give up their cigs, beer and junk food, and other conveniences, or have one parent stay at home, or home school, the list goes on. We are addicts to instant gratification and will not sacrifice, we we pay the penalty.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 09:27:05 pm »
People just don't get how you can eat well and not spend alot of money. Even if you have an apartment with a porch you can raise food, more so if you have a house with a yard and of course acreage. Most people don't want to do that.

You live at places like Aldi's, Dollar stores, Costco's, and Sam's Clubs. If you have an Amish store near you, they often have great prices on bulk food. My local had 50# of potatoes on sale for $8 last week for example.

With the internet now there is no limit to access to recipes, coupons and any kind of info on acquiring, store, and making food. I myself can live easily on $20 bucks a week or less just by putting the effort in to procuring cheap food supplies, but also learning how to cook variety with not a lot of different ingredients to work with.

People also don't want to give up their cigs, beer and junk food, and other conveniences, or have one parent stay at home, or home school, the list goes on. We are addicts to instant gratification and will not sacrifice, we we pay the penalty.

When I went to grad school I furnished my whole place, including utensils and small appliances, from Goodwill at less than $200.

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2015, 03:46:44 am »
When I went to grad school I furnished my whole place, including utensils and small appliances, from Goodwill at less than $200.

Is that in actual dollars or in nominal 2015 dollars?

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2015, 11:47:25 am »
Is that in actual dollars or in nominal 2015 dollars?

It was 1993, so figure under $500 today.